First point: Moderator, please kill the logo rights thread. None of these characters are lawyers and absolutely nothing good can come of this discussion. [Subject line added and futher logo discussion snipped by moderator.] Next point: I haven't found this in the book anywhere and its been so damn long since my car has actually run....... Is the digital clock on the console next to the shifter supposed to stay on even when the car is off? If not, I have absolutely no idea what the heck I did to that car now. I swear on my life, the more things I fix on that monster the more things break. She's fighting me to stay in the garage. Last Point: If Dave Stragand doesn't post an update soon to the Vixen, I'm going to find his house when I'm home for Christmas and literally beat him out into his garage or to his computer. Love that website, Dave. Matthew 3946