Andy, I have offered up kits and donated kit and I either get no feed or very little back. Most people don't want to spend the money and find out what they are asking me. Put the stock car on the Dyno and do the test, then go and install the parts and go back for another test. That's time and money for the test. So their tune up cost say $175.00 for the better parts + maybe another $150.00 for the test. For what, just to prove a point that it works. John -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Soma576@xxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:25 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance. This is absolutely ridiculous.? I think many people on the DML would like to have this solved once and for all so the arguing can stop.? I don't see a single person on here saying the 'performance' parts don't work well in the DeLorean.? But it is truely surprising that a handful of DML'ers are either avoiding the real question or simply just don't get it.? The REAL QUESTION is "What Horsepower or Torque Advantage Will I Have When Using 'Performance Parts' Versus My NEW STOCK OEM (Not 25 year old garbage) Parts?"? Why is it so unreasonable to provide this information or to ask the question?? The question is not whether it costs more, or does it fit, or is it 'proper' to put non-stock parts on, it's about what will someone like me, with 11596, which had a full OEM-style tune-up three years ago, runs?properly and gets 30 mpg on the interstate at 75 mph and starts immediately every single time??- what gain will someone like ME get???? Surely someone on here has access to a dyno.? Who out there does????? Once someone volunteers, I think Hervey needs to donate a tune-up kit so someone can put up some numbers.? It's unreasonable to make claims, then when someone asks you to prove it, to say I don't have to, but if you don't believe me, spend the cash so I make a profit on your tests.? It would be better for someone like Hervey to say, "I have so much confidence in my product, that I will LOAN it to someone who has a dyno to test it and prove the claims."? Then he gets his product back after a 5 minute run.? The catch would be to make sure the two or three runs are scientifically controlled, so that any variance is absolutely dependant on the parts used.? And it shouldn't be conducted by someone with a hot head... So now, who has a dyno?? Andy VIN 11596 [long quote trimmed by hatchet-happy moderator] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/