***** Moderator's Note ***** We certaintly don't want to hold back anyone who has the energy, initiative and skills necessary to develop a solution for a problem area of our cars. However, debating the relative merits of NPN vs. PNP transitors or the necessity of bypass capacitors for certain integrated circuits, as fascinating as those subjects can be, are not of general interest to the DML. It is very easy to create a new mailing list for a very specific topic and invite list members who are interested in the subject to join. Once the solution is complete or there is significant progress to report, we will be happy to moderate that through to the list. Mike G Moderator of the week ***** In a message dated 4/4/02 11:07:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dherv10@xxxx writes: <<John, we already know you can use a soldering iron, and both Shain and my <<intentions have always been to make the design "open source". If you want to <<make and sell my design (I can't speak for Shain) I wouldn't mind at all as <<long as you make it clear the design is there for anyone to build. << Then design it and I will build it. But, 2n's and 3n's and diodes and pulsating, gating and all the electrical engineering again is not understood by a lot of people. >> Some of us are technical, and some are not. But part of the value in the list comes from each being allowed to rise to thier own capabilities. If it's too technical for you then hit delete and move on, but don't hold the rest of us back. We'll all benefit from an open design that has passed the scrutiny of those that know. I know that the vendors would like to be the primary supplier of all our needs, but although we do need them, we also need to rely on ourselves in many areas. It seems that in many instances we're each reinventing the wheel so to speak. We'll all benefit by working together. We're a talented bunch, and if we communicate, and share we'll be able to solve a great many of our upgrade/fix issues more quickly and economically, and have a greater understanding of whats actually going on. I know that sometimes, someone with a good idea will be approached to team up with a vendor, rather than just giving it away to the list in an open fashion. None of us is going to get rich doing either. Although sometimes the scope of a fix is benefited greatly by vendor involvement. But sometimes good information and options are held back by proposed alliances that never really materialize, and they just tend to slow everyones overall progress and benefit. I think I've learned that the best thing to do is just give it away to the list. I've benefited greatly in the past because of this and intend to post everything I've learned and done (with EFI for example) whenever possible. I've got some catching up to do in this area. Soon I hope..... Jim EFI Vin 6147