RE: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.

["John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mike, 
You can prove it. Put it on your car and if you don't see and feel the
improvement I'll take it back. Also, Go to K & N and read their data. I
don't think they lie. Go to MSD, Pertronics, Bosch, Taylor and others and
read their data. 
I put things on and try out on my car not to try to prove them wrong but to
see how much of an improvement there will be. 
Look at the positive side. This doesn't mean you have to do it with all
things because sometimes there is reason to be aware of something. But it
doesn't hurt to try with in reason. If you want to put everything on a dyno
to test it then be my guest, but I don't need to know the HP on everything
when I can feel the difference.

There is saying that is:
Be not the first to try on the new nor yet the last to thrown the old away.

I also don't see any reason to run to the Dyno every time I or anyone makes
a small change. Most of the manufactures do that for us.
Jump in the water is fine.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com
www.deloreanautoparts.com


     

-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
mike.griese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:52 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.

My problem with all of these "performance improvements" is that 
there is never any data to back them up.  If these things really are
an improvement - prove it.  Put a standard, freshly tuned up car on 
a dyno for a baseline run.  Then make One Change and put the car 
back on the dyno and measure the difference.  Then put the old parts 
back on and put the car back on the dyno.  The first and third runs
should match, the middle run shows the improvement.  

Dave is right - you can't evaluate any new part as a performance 
improvement unless the part being replaced is running at it's optimum
specification.  It's like replacing a 25 year old, flat bald tire 
with a brand new properly inflated tire and claiming that it's 
an absolute performance improvement over the original spec tire.
You aren't comparing to an original spec tire - you are comparing 
to a 25 year old, flat bald tire.

Until there are measurements, it's all snake oil.

--
Mike


-------------- Original message from "John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
-------------- 


> David, 
> So you still are running old blue coil and the stock wires and expect the 
> gain, performance or what ever you want to call it as good as an upgrade. 
> If this was the case then we would still be running some of the first cars

> for racing at 30 mph. Bolt on performance has been around forever. Maybe 
> it's a performance better bolt, or a better air filter. 
> You need to wake up into the new world where there are better air filters,

> better plugs and wires that weren't even thought of or around 30 years
ago. 
> I don't think you are carrying around a dial telephone an expecting it to 
> perform as better as the Razor phones as today. 
> If I thought the way you're stating it then if the new phones aren't
better 
> than the old phones then they would have done it. The products and 
> technology wasn't around then. 
> This is 2007 not 1981. Improvements have been made. 
> John Hervey 
> www.specialtauto.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of 
> David Teitelbaum 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:11 AM 
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Subject: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance. 
> 
> My point EXACTLY! Too many times someone will replace old, worn out 
> parts with some new "performance" part. They get a big difference 
> and give all of the credit to the "performance" part when in fact 
> ANY new part would have given the same improvement. 

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