I feel I have to chime in on this since I've known Bill longer than any of the other DeLorean owners here, and have undoubtedly spent more time with him than anyone on the DML. I'm very much getting tired of people trying to shush Bill all the time when they don't even know him personally, and haven't seen his car lately. I am the first to admit, when Bill first got his DeLorean it looked like he pulled the poor thing out of a swamp, the car was just pitiful. When he first carbureted his car it was jetted so rich that when his secondaries kicked it, the car was totally drowned in fuel and it would start choking and stumbling. But over the past 7 years he has been slowly and methodically chipping away at his car piece by piece. The two times I've seen the car the past few months I could hardly believe it was the same automobile. He has cleaned and detailed the engine bay, even made new vacuum diagrams to illustrate the fact he is carbed, not fuel injected. ANY idiot could work on the car, I absolutely assure you of that. He's also made a custom air cleaner assembly and added the DMC sticker on the air cleaner. He's painted all the black trim on the car, painted the fascias, installed new carpet in the interior, and new PJ Grady (aka DMC- Texas) seatcovers. The car isn't just presentable now, it's becoming downright sharp. The modifications you've spoken of aren't some sort of basement witchcraft, they're common sense items such as making the sidemarkers also function as turn signals, and rewiring the tail lamps so more of the lense lights up when you put on the brakes. He has wired lights into the car that illuminate his footwells and parcel shelf. His modifications make the car more safe without a doubt. I don't know what you're expecting, but when you look at his car, it looks very much stock. It doesn't look like some sort of Franken DeLorean that's been hacked together. I've been in the community for 10 years, and have driven at least a dozen DeLoreans (probably more), and his car drives and rides as good or better than a stock one. It certainly is a good deal quicker than a stock PRV. It even gets comperable/better gas mileage than a stock car. And it idles right! At the DMA event last weekend there were so many DeLoreans that had high/erratic idle... Bill's carbed car was one of the few that didn't. Also unlike a bunch of $20k+ DeLoreans I've seen with $5k stereos, he actually has working AC too! Not just working AC, but AC so cold that it'll run you out of the car. I guess all I'm saying is this: if you are a naysayer of Bill, you haven't seen his car in 2008. His car is turning into a downright nice example of the marque, and I guarantee it'll out perform and will be infinitely more reliable than ~any~ stock DeLorean. I used to be of the $20k (now $25k) school of thought as well. At one time I was also one who wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. But the car that Bill only has $12k in **TOTAL** looks better than now than most of the cars for sale in that $25k price bracket, and I guarantee his is engineered so that it'll give you much more time behind the wheel. Bill may not be conventional, but he knows what the hell he's doing, and his modifications and experimentations only help ALL of us in the end. We all own/have owned/will own cars that went extinct almost 3 decades ago now. Parts aren't getting any cheaper for them, or more plentiful. And arguably the number of people/shops who can work on the DeLorean is shrinking. The fact that Bill is out there questioning the status quo is good for ALL of us! Not just people who aren't conventional, or on a budget. So before any of you pick on Bill, I urge all of you to put up or shut up. Go see and drive his car, and THEN if you still think you have grounds to pick on him, by all means have at it. Otherwise, this online feuding is quite pointless and truly detracts from the DeLorean community. We have to remember, there are enough people who don't like our cars, why should we not like each other too? We're a minority as DeLorean people, and we should all be in this together!! Louie Golden Charlotte, NC Past owner of VINs 10115 and 5252 ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! 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