Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderator@xxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator From: John Yeoman <theshovel1224@xxxxxxxxx> 2. Comparison From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx> 3. Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust From: delorean31@xxxxxxx 4. DeLorean in PA? From: "Matt Spittle" <mds328@xxxxxxx> 5. Re: Re: comparison From: fjk143@xxxxxxx 6. Re: HELP!! From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx 7. Re: Comparison From: fjk143@xxxxxxx 8. Re: comparison-Final post From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 9. Police Officers? From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: John Yeoman <theshovel1224@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator Moderator's note: This is a subject that, probably more than any other, dominates the archives. let's not forget to use them for some of these answers. Hey List, If I were to put an aftermarket am/fm radio with tape and cd player in my DeLorean, would I need a more powerful alternator? I have the Motorola 90 amp. If I would need a bigger one, what would you suggest, a 105 amp, or a 140 amp? Thanks in advance. John Yeoman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Comparison "It's not that bad! It's not that bad!" There seems to be a looming bitterness between the people wanting PERFORMANCE vs the people wanting a fine lookin cruiser. Everyone out there saying "it's not that bad!!!" about the acceleration/power is in denial! The Delorean is SLOOOOOOWWWWW. it was always SLOOOOWWWWWW. Some people, however, like it that way... The same people that keep KIA and GEO in business, who don't care that it takes 60 seconds to get to 60 MPH; and have a notebook in their cars marking down gas prices, mileage, and gallons added- "Ooh, we got 32.6 MPG on this tank, honey!!!".. The rest of us who like sailing the back end out flying around corners on wet pavement ("Manner of turning", or so the police say...), pullin wheelies off the line and snickering blowing away those weeble-looking enonoboxes think the power is horrible! There are so many people hiding their cars in their garages keeping them in controlled pristine environments. For this reason, there is NO WAY that my moderate-shaped Delorean will ever be worth any sort of collector status... SO! I intend to supermodify, hacksaw, file, rip, tear, bend, spindle, and mutilate my car into whatever comes into my little brain, and people on the street are still going to look at it drive by, and won't have to go to a museum to ever see a delorean. I'm going to make it fun for ME to drive, not you "mature owners" who drive 25 in a 50 MPH zone whom I yell at. DSV- Safety vehicle? It was SAFE becuase you can't go fast enough to get into trouble! hahaha Jim Lic: PLATE 1537 Super-wide black stripe- from the rocker to the T-panel! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:44:00 EDT From: delorean31@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust Since this is a part which suffers frequently to the elements, I am surprised someone hasnt remanufactured them. Perhaps out of stainless then painted black? I know you can no longer buy them and have to try to find a used one, if you need one as I did when one of mine broke. Its really a simple part which should be easy to reproduce. I would think there would be a increasing demand in the future for them as well. Gary Gore Activities Director DeLorean Mid Atlantic VIN 3360 << On both of My DMC's and nearly every other DMC I have seen that lives in a rust-prone environment (like up here in Oregon), I have seen rusting engine cover hinges. Since the problem areas on the hinge are the inner hinge portiotion where the surfaces slide across each other, it does not appear that repainting or powercoating the engine cover hinges would really provide a permanent solution to avoid thie unsightly rust. Does anyone have a real/permanent solution to the slight rust typical on the engine cover hinges? Knut >> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:03:05 -0400 From: "Matt Spittle" <mds328@xxxxxxx> Subject: DeLorean in PA? Are there any DeLorean owners in the central Pennsylvania region that would be willing to show their car off to an 18-year-old college student who has never seen one in real life? I would just like to look at the car in person and maybe take a few photographs, as it will be about 4 years until I can afford one. Thanks, Matt mds328@xxxxxxx ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:27:54 EDT From: fjk143@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Re: comparison Group, According to a DeLorean expert (certainly not me)...Ed, the owner of DeLorean One...he claims that there are maybe 300 (maximum) really good quality, original DMC-12's in existence. He says there are alot of poorly repaired, poorly maintained, "unmolested" but also unreliable and undesirable cars out there. As far as rarity goes, please realize that Ferrari built over 12,000 308's and 8,200 Testarossa's. So seeing a really nice D is actually more difficult than seeing one of the above F's...and their current resale prices reflect the large population of the cars out there - 308's can sell for low 20's for an average one and early Testarossa's sell for low 50's all day long. Engine rebuilds - figure the cost of the car for the 308 and 35,000 for the Testarossa. I've driven every modern Ferrari made and have owned most and the 308 was an embarrassment to Maranello performance-wise. Bottom line is all cars have pluses and minuses...and everyone has different tastes...luckily there are enough choices to make us all happy. Fred 6894 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:28:36 EDT From: abatt10347@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: HELP!! Richard, Check the back issues to find your answer or call one of the parts suppliers. It is possible to open the hood without the cable, may take some time, but from someone who has done it, after getting it open you will want to look at old issue of Delorean World (Vol.1 Aug. 1983). There is a back up way to keep this from ever happening again. I do agree with Ken and Dave that we as owners do not want to tell people how to break into our D's. But I understand how the blood pressure can rise when this has happened. To those who want to upgrade the power of the Delorean. Go for it, but remember the old adage "The slower you go the longer it lasts!!!" Personally I enjoy the power of the Delorean "stock". Bruce Battles Vin # 06569 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:44:36 EDT From: fjk143@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Comparison Remember that us old guys (45 here) who bought their DMC's new can now afford (assuming our brains are not tiny) to buy seriously fast, good handling, incredible braking and balanced cars that would eat any modified DeLorean and just own the D for what it is - a curiosity of the automotive world that came to market undeveloped and left precisely the same way. Those of us that bought the cars new in 81, 82 or 83 could've bought very well developed and fast as hell (for the time) Porsche 911's and have a lot of money left over. We bought them because they were unusual and admired the guy who had the guts to do it himself. If John Z. could have brought the car to market five years sooner, had time to develop a better car and price appropriately, the demise of the DeLorean may never have occured and "tiny brained" people wouldn't have the desire to bend, spindle and mutilate as no one does so to 911's. Every serious collection and museum has one in their inventory due to the history and uniqueness - not the performance. Fred 6894 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:46:54 -0000 From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: comparison-Final post For the postings that have occurred durring the past few days, I am very pleased to have different view-points presented. And would like to take the time now to conclude this thread, or hopefully the original topic of it. In saying this I understand every one who has responded, and agree with them on their key points (well, almost everyone). So here go's... To Fred #6894: I am very happy that there is someone else out there who not only agrees with me, but also understands where I'm coming from. In it's untouched state, there is nothing wrong with the power of the DMC-12. It perfroms quite nicely for everyday useage. To Gabe W. and Trevor Johnson #6974 & 4055 I agree with both of you as well. The DeLorean in it's orignal state is not on the same level as the average sports car. It does't have the 0-60 times as other sports cars, and doesn't have the best turning radius. So yes it there is room for some improvements. In either of these 2 situations, the owners here all appear to be very pleased with thier cars in one way or another wheather it's performance, looks, or otherwise. And being happy with your car is what counts no matter what type you own! Personal feelings aside, if swapping out the PRV for a Chevy is what makes you happy with your car, then go ahead and do it. I personally perfer to keep my engine original, and would rather take the route of improving the existing powerplant rather then a "hasty" swap. Or just leaving it untouched is perfectly fine too! However keeping your car original to the point where it hinders performance (i.e. keeping a stock radiator, a Ducy alternator, the flimsy pick-up hose in the fuel tank, etc... just for the sake of keeping the car original) can also be just as counter productive for the car. But who am I to tell anyone what to do with thier car? Which brings me to the one person whom I disagree with: Jim Strickland I SERIOUSLY doubt that this is a posting from someone who is an authentic DeLorean owner. 1. This person's comments appear to simply be here to start an argument between us all. No matter what is said, this person has figured out a way to insult people. Re: modifications, performance, & drivers as individuals. 2. This post appears to be from a fradulent source Name: Jim Strickland James Tolkan played Mr. Strickland in the BTTF series, put the names together, viola! Username: ihavenoaccount@xxxx Phony with an uncreative flair. Lic: PLATE Need I say more? VIN# 1537 Does no one else see a pattern to this number sequence? Although this last part is mainly for the moderators, I'll understand if it is edited out. Just wanted to help keep the peace between everyone. -Robert vin 6585 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:56:19 -0000 From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Police Officers? If there are any Police Officers on the list I like to hear from you. Don't worry though, I don't have any legal questions about speeding tickets or anything like that. -Robert vin 6585 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________
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