dmcnews-digest Saturday, May 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 360
In this issue:
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DML: Guest Moderator's note - hosed postings lately
DML: hood styles
DML: Re: lockzilla/remote problem
DML: Gas Guage
DML: Re: hood styles
DML: RE: Gas Gauge
Re: DML: Gas Guage
Re: DML: Gas Guage
Re: DML: Gas Guage
Re: DML: hood styles
Re: DML: Gas Guage
DML: Re: colored side marker lights
Re: DML: Gas Guage
DML: Re: door locks
DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
RE: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
DML: DeLoreaan Car Show
DML: Weird Cars
Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
DML: Shifting Problems...
DML: Painting
DML: Cap and ding
Re: DML: Gas Gauge
DML: Need an engine
DML: Steel Braid Clutch Line.
DML: Rear Wheel Alignment
Re: DML: Shifting Problems...
Re: DML: Shifting Problems...
Re: DML: Cap and ding
DML: reminder
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: [none]
> From: thomas reed <reedted@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Lines and Gas Flaps.
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:51:31 -3100 (PDT)
>
>
> My hood has lines and a gas flap- VIN 3117. One of the early ones, I
> guess.
>
> Ed Reed
> VIN 3117
> >
> > > From: raddad@xxxxxxx
> > > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:25:28 -0700
> > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: hood wanted
> > >
> > > Jameel
> > >
> > > You can have lines or you can have a hood gas flap, but you can't have
> > > both!
> > >
> > > Dick
> > > ----------------------------
>
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:47:18 -0700
> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Well-being
>
> To all on the DML:
>
> The Great Battery saga is over!
>
> My D is back in it's garage snuggled up with it's battery charger.
>
> Even though I knew my D was under lock and key and quite safe, I was
> uneasy
> about it not being home. When I went to pick it up, just sitting in it
> brought into sharp focus a well-being, satisfaction, contentment, a cozy,
> snugness which is all but impossible to explain to any one who has never
> sat in a D.
>
> Well it was the inertia switch, as most thought it would be. But
> there
> were other contributing problems, one was a split in the fuel pick-up
> line.
> And I found out that the 5/16th inch door seal I just put in, require a
> very firm door close, which can trip the inertia switch.
>
> Even though it's very unlikely I will ever have a problem with it
> again, I
> will carry both a spare and a jumper in my on-board spares.
>
> The mechanic that worked on my D used the manuals I got for the shop
> and
> called PJ Grady for technical support. I have little doubt that I could
> have found the problem and fixed it my self given time. Thanks to all of
> you that offered your suggestions, It was possible to get my D back on the
> road.
>
> Thanks to all for your support and help.
>
> Lee Seiler
> 81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:29:13 -0400 (EDT)
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> From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DML: Re: Key for DeLorean and won't start
> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:35:33 -0400
>
> Josh,
>
> You say the fuel pump, filter, tank and lines are all new. The pump
> will not run even when you apply voltage directly from the battery. A
> couple of things come to mind. First of all, did you have all these
> things replaced or did a previous owner? The reason I ask is maybe
> they
> all were not changed. Second, inside the fuel tank there is a pick up
> filter (a fine mesh made from a plastic material). If gas had been
> left
> to sit for awhile the mesh could be clogged and the pump can not
> create
> a suction on the tank side. How do I know--mine did that. The pump
> will not run even when a direct voltage is applied to the pump
> terminals. I found out that if I took the pump out and applied
> voltage
> to the terminals on my workbench it would work fine. If I put it back
> in the car it would turn a few turns and stop. That's when I drained
> the tank and took out the internal filter. I was able to clean the
> mesh
> with an injector cleaner and reinstall it and the problem went away.
>
> Be careful when you do this as the pump will spray any fuel left in
> the
> pump. Also do not do this for any length of time as the gasoline is
> the
> lubricant for the pump. Make sure you observe the correct polarity
> from
> the battery to the pump. If it will not work on the bench with a
> battery supply then you will have to bite the bullet and buy a new
> pump.
>
>
> Ron
> > ----------
> > From: Josh Price[SMTP:pricej@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 10:08 PM
> > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: Key for DeLorean and won't start
> >
> > > Michael Salzwedel said:
> > >
> > > > . . . With the car came only 1 key. On the key is written:
> > National
> > > > key COLE Cleveland Ohio VL5. I wanted to make a replica of this
> > > > key but no dealer in Germany can help me.
> >
> > > I thought someone once said that a certain Volvo key blank could
> be
> > > made into a DeLorean key. That information should be in the DML
> > back
> > > issues. The regular DeLorean parts suppliers should also be able
> to
> > help
> > > you.
> > >
> > > - Mike Substelny
> > >
> > I went to my local small-town locksmith and he made me keys from a
> > volvo
> > blank, no problemo. If you want to know the exact reference number,
> > email
> > me direct.
> >
> > I have sort of the same problem that I have been reading about
> lately
> > on
> > the DML. I just bought my D and have had quite the experience
> > attempting
> > to get it operational. It used to idle but then die when the
> > acclerator
> > was pressed, like somebody else wrote about. So I changed the
> plugs,
> > distributor, and injectors. Now the car won't even start, like
> > another
> > wrote about. I checked all of the fuses and connections to the
> > computer.
> > Gas is not making it to the distributor. The fuel pump won't work
> > even
> > when voltage is applied directly from the battery. The fuel pump,
> > lines,
> > filter, and tank are all new. What should I look at next? Does
> > anybody
> > have the part number for the DMC do-it-yourself exorcism kit?
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Josh Price
> > VIN#10242
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:30:17 -0400 (EDT)
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> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:42:27 -0500
> From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: hood lines
>
> Dick/Jameel
> My August 1981 has both the lines and gas flap in the hood. The cars
> were built that way. You probably will have a hard time finding NOS,
> but may be able to get one from a car being parted out.
>
> Didn't one of James Espeys surveys try to determine hood styles -vs-
> vin/build date?
>
> Scott Mueller
>
>
>
> > > From: raddad@xxxxxxx
> > > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:25:28 -0700
> > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: hood wanted
> > >
> > > Jameel
> > >
> > > You can have lines or you can have a hood gas flap, but you can't
> have
> > > both!
> > >
> > > Dick
> > > ----------------------------
> > > >> From: "Jameel Ahed" <ahed@xxxxxxxx>
> > > >> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> Subject: I need a hood and T top!
> > > >> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:22:15 -0500
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear DML,
> > > >> I am looking for a completely straight (NO DENTS OR
> DINGS!!!)
> > > Hood
> > > >> with
> > > >> the lines and a fuel flap.
> > > >> Also I am looking for a straight T-Top. Please give me a
> call
> > > or
> > > >> write
> > > >> me directly on this matter. (217) 337-7609
> > > >> Jameel
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:47:07 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Guest Moderator's note - hosed postings lately
As you have likely noticed, your guest moderator is struggling to get his
mailer to produce messages that the list-server is used to dealing with. I
hope to have the problems with the included messages being quoted and the
subject lines being dropped corrected as soon as possible. Sorry about the
inconvenience.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:50:03 -0500
From: "James DeBroeck" <y089@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: hood styles
I've seen the pictures on the DOA homepage and can verify that there are
hoods with lines and gas flaps, but I found a picture of a car (VIN unknown
to me) with lines on the hood and the little "DeLorean" emblem on the hood
as well. According to the DOA page, no such hood exists. Am I looking at an
after-market modification, or did a weird hood slip through the cracks. By
the way, the picture of the car can be found at either www.vipclassics.com
(scroll down until you see the picture of the delorean) or my homepage:
members.tripod.com/~Kerensky78.
James DeBroeck
Soon to be owner
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Date: Fri, 01 May 98 13:12:05 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: lockzilla/remote problem
> > However when the key is off the auto locks and keyless don't
> > work. I checked for power at the module (purple) and solenoid supply
> > (red/pink)with key off and I have power! So why don't they work with
the
> > key off? I called P.J. Grady , but just my luck they told me nobody
> > could help me until May 12! ( I guess the only person with brains
went
> > on vacation). Any ideas wouid be greatly appreciated.
With the non-Delorean part in the picture (remote entry) then its going
to be hard to find out. But, Remember that the lock controller has
a +12 present at all times in stock configuration. I think its a red
wire directly from the breaker. Make sure you didin't somehow
bypass this with the remote controll and hook it up to one of the
2 main relays (silver) which only have voltage when the key is in
acc or run position ???????????
=Brandon
bsmoody
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:22:14 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson" <tsassoc@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gas Guage
My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some input =
from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting about =
13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
Aug./'81 Got lines but no gas flap
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:31:48 -0400
From: "Knight In Shining Armor" <knight@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: hood styles
Has anyone seen the car that they have advertised for $8,950. If so, please
contact me so I can find out some info on it.
Thanks,
**********************
Eric Pullen
Network Engineer
C&I Engineering
**********************
- -----Original Message-----
From: James DeBroeck <y089@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 4:14 PM
Subject: DML: hood styles
>I've seen the pictures on the DOA homepage and can verify that there are
>hoods with lines and gas flaps, but I found a picture of a car (VIN unknown
>to me) with lines on the hood and the little "DeLorean" emblem on the hood
>as well. According to the DOA page, no such hood exists. Am I looking at
an
>after-market modification, or did a weird hood slip through the cracks. By
>the way, the picture of the car can be found at either www.vipclassics.com
>(scroll down until you see the picture of the delorean) or my homepage:
>members.tripod.com/~Kerensky78.
>
>James DeBroeck
>Soon to be owner
>
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:52:47 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter <kwolter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Gas Gauge
When I had this problem it was because of a bad connection in the wiring =
connector to the fuel level sensor. The contacts were no longer making =
a good connection and one day the fuel gauge went from working to locked =
at empty. I have had no problem since I cleaned out the connector.
- - Kevin #6810
- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Smithson [SMTP:tsassoc@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 12:22 PM
To: James Espey
Subject: DML: Gas Guage
My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some input =
=3D
from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting about =
=3D
13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
Aug./'81 Got lines but no gas flap
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:14:11 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
Thomas Smithson wrote:
>
> My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some input =
> from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting about =
> 13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
>
> Thom Smithson
> VIN #3089
> Aug./'81 Got lines but no gas flap
13 MPH ? That sure is slow.
My 5 speed averages 20 to 25 MPG. It depends on the amount of freeway
driving I do.
My gas gauge did not work either until I replaced the sender. The
sender in the tank gets attacked by the fuel, the float will stick in
the tube. I lucked out and bought an original a couple of years ago.
DMC Houston, may have some originals or you can get a tankzilla from PJ
Grady in NY.
Scott Mueller
vin 2981
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:54:52 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
Thom,
The gas gauge sending unit has given DMC owners trouble since the
get-go. My
gauge reads slightly over 3/4 when the tank is completely full and the
area
between 1/4 and E is a true no-man's-land. A small bump or turn will
cause
the gauge to drop from 1/4 to E. The next might cause it to return. My
fill-ups are based on the odometer.
PJ Grady markets an item called Tankzilla that is supposed to correct
this
problem. Check with him for specifics.
The DMC-12 was rated in the low 20's for MPG by the EPA. My mileage is
usually about that around town and goes to the higher 20's on longer
trips.
Time for a tune-up?
Hank Breer
VIN 1141
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Thomas Smithson wrote:
> My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some
input =
> from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting
about =
> 13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
>
> Thom Smithson
> VIN #3089
> Aug./'81 Got lines but no gas flap
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:00:10 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
Hi,
Tom wrote,
> My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some input =
> from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting about =
> 13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
I assume 13mph should be 13mpg. This is really low, mine has twin
turbos and I get 26 on average.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:06:11 EDT
From: NJP548 <NJP548@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: hood styles
In a message dated 5/1/98 10:01:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
y089@xxxxxxxxxx
writes:
<< but I found a picture of a car (VIN unknown
to me) with lines on the hood and the little "DeLorean" emblem on the
hood
as well. According to the DOA page, no such hood exists. >>
Those little "De Lorean" emblems were "Stick-Ons" so whoever had that
car just
stuck it onto that hood. I remember someone on the list had a few for
sale...
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:49:50 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
Thom Smithson,
Get the gas gauge and/or sender unit repair or replace.
You should be getting anywhere from 25 to 29 MPH average.
Kayo Ong
#05508
LIc. 9D NY
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:44:12 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: colored side marker lights
Dave,
Check your laws on the "colors" allowed for the markers or the areas you
want
to change on your vehicle.
The color BLUE on lit markers, if I am not mistaken is for the law
enforcement
vehicles only.
GRAY side markers??? They have to be YELLOW, and YELLOW all around the
vehicle. These markers has a required minimum size with an "x-amount of
lumens" at night (check code book for this info). WHITE is for front
facing,
or "moving direction" of a vehicle only (e.g. backup lights).
Headlights are
WHITE only, especially with no obstructions, tinted or colored covers,
etc.
RED is for the rear end facing only with a minimum of 3" in diameter,
with no
obstructions, that means no covers tinted or what so ever, etc.
These are the partial requirements for the majority of the 50 states for
all
vehicles to be ON THE STREETS, ROADS AND HIGHWAY LEGALLY! Off road,
you can
make the car glow, they would careless!
Anyway, you really don't want to "raise" any other attractions as you
drive by
or when opening your doors. If the colors are illegal, you may have to
"paid"
for it in fines and/or remove and replace it right there and then to be
road
worthiness.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:19:32 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
At 07:22 AM 5/1/98 -1000, you wrote:
>My gas guage does not work so I was wondering if I could get some input
=
>from other owners. Please send your suggestions. Also, I'm getting
about =
>13 mph. Is this about right? Thanks and Aloha!
>
>Thom Smithson
>VIN #3089
>Aug./'81 Got lines but no gas flap
>
reply:
Hi Thom,
Yes get the Tankzillia and fuel sender, they are reasonably
priced, and
easy to install. I just did that job, it took about 30 minutes and is
really easy. Before I got this unit my gas gauge read 3/4 full when the
tank was full and never read the correct amount of gas at any time. now
my
gauge reads correctly.
About your speed, try stepping on the gas more firmly and shift
out of
first gear into 2nd gear @ 3KRPM. that should get you to at least 40MPH
no
matter what your gas gauge reads.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:08:27 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: door locks
At 10:01 AM 5/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> From: AARON1@xxxxxxxxx (AARON MILLS)
>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:05:38 -0400
>> To: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: door locks
>>
>> After owning my D for 3 years I finally decided to get the auto door
>> locks working. I bought the lockzilla from P.J. Grady and new lock
>> solenoids, also I installed a keyless entry unit ( I installed the
same
>> unit in my Lebaron). Now for my problem, when the car is running or
>> even if the key is in the run position the locks and keyless work
>> wonderful. However when the key is off the auto locks and keyless
don't
>> work. I checked for power at the module (purple) and solenoid supply
>> (red/pink)with key off and I have power! So why don't they work with
the
>> key off? I called P.J. Grady , but just my luck they told me nobody
>> could help me until May 12! ( I guess the only person with brains
went
>> on vacation). Any ideas wouid be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Aaron
>> vin 11554
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>
reply:
Yes: Every one is getting ready for the show I guess, I had the same
problem yesterday calling for tech help. Don't be so hard on them, they
don't deserve the cut.
And yes I know why your lock deal does not work with the key out.
You will note that if you turn your key at right angles to the slot and
pish the lock will push in 1/8 inch, then as you turn your key it will
slip
into the key slot with no resistance. At this point you have made a
"system" ground with the key it's self. Your alarm system must have it's
own ground to work right.
There could be other reasons, the one I just described is one I had with
my
own D.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:19:35 EDT
From: My 83 DMC <My83DMC@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
Hello, all!
Alright, from what I've been hearing, there's a lot of
confusion
around the "lines and gas flap". Well, as most of you know, the early Ds',
(81's), has the "lines" and the "gas flaps". The 82s', due to an
unacceptable
number of frames cracking, have only the "lines". And the 83s' have a
straight
hood, with neither "lines" nor "gas flaps". However, they do have a special
"De Lorean" emblem marking.
Hope this helps!
P.S. No, I don't own a DeLorean. -=]
Supratik Lahiri
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Date: Fri, 01 May 98 18:19:57 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
> The 82s', due to an
> unacceptable
> number of frames cracking, have only the "lines". And the 83s' have a
> straight
> hood, with neither "lines" nor "gas flaps". However, they do have a
special
> "De Lorean" emblem marking.
Better double check that.
- -Brandon
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:25:14 -0800
From: "tomcio" <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
Hi,
I don't agree. I own a DeLorean vin 6298, it was made in November '81
and it has a flat hood with no gas flap in it. You can't really tell
what year the car is by its hood. The changes were made during
production and not when they changed the model year. You can't even
tell when they stopped putting the flap in. There is no certain vin
when they changed the design of the hood. Hope THIS helps.
Tom
vin 6298
My 83 DMC <My83DMC@xxxxxxx> wrote on Friday May 1, 1998 at 2:53pm:
>Hello, all!
> Alright, from what I've been hearing, there's a lot of
>confusion
>around the "lines and gas flap". Well, as most of you know, the
early Ds',
>(81's), has the "lines" and the "gas flaps". The 82s', due to an
>unacceptable
>number of frames cracking, have only the "lines". And the 83s' have a
>straight
>hood, with neither "lines" nor "gas flaps". However, they do have a
special
>"De Lorean" emblem marking.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>P.S. No, I don't own a DeLorean. -=]
>Supratik Lahiri
>
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:46:21 -0700
From: steve brodsky <a0017673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
My 83 DMC wrote:
>
> Hello, all!
> Alright, from what I've been hearing, there's a lot of
> confusion
> around the "lines and gas flap". Well, as most of you know, the early
Ds',
> (81's), has the "lines" and the "gas flaps". The 82s', due to an
> unacceptable
> number of frames cracking, have only the "lines". And the 83s' have a
> straight
> hood, with neither "lines" nor "gas flaps". However, they do have a
special
> "De Lorean" emblem marking.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> P.S. No, I don't own a DeLorean. -=]
> Supratik Lahiri
then how do you explain my 82 #10688 with a straight hood with the
"special" emblem.
PS. Maybe you should buy one
Steve Brodsky
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is about exhausted. I will post messages that
contribute new information on this front and filter messages that repeat
information already posted.
Knut
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:35:43 EDT
From: KKoncelik <KKoncelik@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLoreaan Car Show
Judging from all the calls (I was on the phone till midnight last night) a
bunch of you are as good at procrastinating as I usually am.
Yes I will still accept the registrations. bottom line is I have to pay the
bills on May 8th so this is a deadline I can't miss.
Thanks
Also with the Hampton being available hotel rooms are not a problem just if
you are at the hampton you will need to pay the tax at checkout. I will
book
it for you with the registration.
Again thanks and looking forward to seeing you all there
Ken
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:37:59 -0800
From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Weird Cars
Weird Cars by John A. Gunnell ISBN 0-87341-253-2
When I saw this book at the local Borders book store I somehow
expected to find our much maligned marquee in the book along with the
Wienermobile, Batmobile, and a host of other VERY off the wall cars.
But as it turned out, the DeLorean was only featured as the time
machine from Back to the Future. Since it's only a single picture, it
is on its own of little note. However, the book also contains photos
of several of the other cars that were in BTTF II. Did you know that
the Woody Allen's 'bubble' car from Sleeper was used in BTTF II? So
was the 'Spinner' car from Blade Runner. There are also many great
concept cars in the book like the 1970 Ferrari Modulo by Pininfarina
(a favorite of mine).
Also shown in this book are Double ended cars, Eccentric cars (the
Tucker is listed here), Factory show cars (like the 1940 Pontiac
'Ghost Car', made out of Plexiglas), Stainless Steel cars (No DeLorean
listed for some reason), Movie & Media cars, Owner modified,
three-wheel cars and Weird working vehicles. If you're into all form
of strange cars, this is the book for you.
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Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:08:58 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
At 05:19 PM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello, all!
> Alright, from what I've been hearing, there's a lot of
>confusion
>around the "lines and gas flap". Well, as most of you know, the early Ds',
>(81's), has the "lines" and the "gas flaps". The 82s', due to an
>unacceptable
>number of frames cracking, have only the "lines". And the 83s' have a
>straight
>hood, with neither "lines" nor "gas flaps". However, they do have a special
>"De Lorean" emblem marking.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>P.S. No, I don't own a DeLorean. -=]
>Supratik Lahiri
>
>
reply:
The Lines and no flap appeared just prior to Vin 5729. Thats my VIN which
was a late October 81 Build. The lines disappeared in Jan of 82 as I
understand it, so having Lines and no flap only lasted 90 days +/- a few.
I got this information from Hudson, when I was thinking about replacing my
hood which was sprung bay a car thief. I am understanding that the Lines
with out flap is rear as D go?
smile!
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:50:13 EDT
From: NJP548 <NJP548@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Shifting Problems...
Hey List,
My 5 Speed DeLorean does not go into Reverse, First and Second Gears.
It
goes into Third, Fourth and Fifth gears fine. I was thinking it might be a
broken cable or something but I could use some help if anyone has any??
Thanks.
Later,
Nick
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:49:50 EDT
From: Ferris Buh <FerrisBuh@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Painting
Fellows,
Well, I spent the week talking to paint pros, paint shops, and read seven
books at the local Barnes and Noble on painting the trim. What I came up
with
was this:
Like metal, paint does not adhere remarkably well to plastic or fiberglass.
Especially those that have been treated with any silicone protectants
(Rubber
protectants in general). And with most of the trim, heat and cold cause
changes in shape and dimesnion that require a flexing paint. This causes the
paint to flake, crack (anyone see an older Esprit's paint), and deteriorate.
To paint something like the tub in the front trunk, First mask everything
off
not to be sprayed. Painting is easy, this takes forever. Buy five different
widths of 3M TM masking tape. Scrub the tub and plastic with the standard
3M
TM scouring pads. Then, clean the tub with a PLASTIC safe solvent. This can
be
bought at a paint supply store and will remove all grease, wax,silicone
(although it roots deeply), and contaminants. The next step is to wipe the
area clean with an ammonia cleaner like windex TM or the like. Follow this
with a tack rag that will pick up loose debris.
Then spray the area with a primer designed to be used with plastic and a
flexible paint. The painting people all said to use products from the same
maker. After the primer is applied, there is no need to sand. However, once
dry, go over it with the tack rag and ammonia again. Then, with a thin coat,
go over this area with a plastic flexible paint. If you use another type of
paint, it will crack in time from the plastic contracting and expanding. Use
a
urethane becuase of the added durability. However, the drying time will be
in
days (3-6 depending on with whom you speak). The match according to most is
a
satin (a cross between semi-gloss and flat) for the bumpers and louvers.
This
is also true for the window trim. The trunk is reportedly a flat. A paint
called URELASTIC TM has a primer as part of the make-up so you do not need
to
primer the bumpers and windshield trim (Clean them however).
When done, let the paint dry (days remember). Pull off the tape slowly at an
angle to prevent paint that may have become part of the car and tape
together.
If in doubt, cut it away with an exacto knife.
The lack of a primer is perhaps one reason why so many door jams have paint
flaking off. Also, with the urethane, only one coat is needed. The paint
needs
time to molecularly bond to itself in time to harden. I hope this helps
someone.
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:52:51 EDT
From: Ferris Buh <FerrisBuh@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Cap and ding
Does anyone know where I can get a washer fluid rervoir cap or something
black
that will fit? Also, I have a small ding. WOuld heat be able to remove
this if
I applied it myself somehow?
Dave
P.S. Thanks for the Spring info. Lee.
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:43:13 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Gauge
Tom,
Many early DeLoreans had miss-calibrated sending units that would
prevent
the fuel gauge from reading full when the tank is full. An inexpensive
modification will correct the problem. Contact DeLorean Owners
Association
Products Division and order a back issue of DeLorean World Magazine
issue
No. 11 Spring 86. On page 33 of that issue you will find instructions on
how to perform this modification.
DeLorean Services, Peachtree City GA
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> From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Gas Guage
> Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 1:54 PM
>
> Thom,
>
> The gas gauge sending unit has given DMC owners trouble since the
> get-go. My
> gauge reads slightly over 3/4 when the tank is completely full and the
> area
> between 1/4 and E is a true no-man's-land. A small bump or turn will
> cause
> the gauge to drop from 1/4 to E. The next might cause it to return.
My
> fill-ups are based on the odometer.
>
> PJ Grady markets an item called Tankzilla that is supposed to correct
> this
> problem. Check with him for specifics.
>
> The DMC-12 was rated in the low 20's for MPG by the EPA. My mileage
is
> usually about that around town and goes to the higher 20's on longer
> trips.
> Time for a tune-up?
>
> Hank Breer
> VIN 1141
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:52:33 -0400
From: "Ronald Pohala" <rpohala@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Need an engine
I need an engine for a standard shift Delorean. Someone was advertising
but
I can't find it now. Email if you have one for sale with the details. I
could get away with just buying the heads.
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:02:01 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Steel Braid Clutch Line.
For those of you who have done the steel braid clutch line on your
Manual D's, I have a question:
Where is the line that you are replacing?
Without ever looking at the slave cylinder, I just assumed it was the
hose that went in to the slave cylinder. Today I was under my car,
(Quick check on the trailing arm bolts) and figured I will take a look
at the slave cylinder.
I dont see a rubber line goin to the cylinder. It is a solid metal line
that goes to a brket on top of the trans. Then, from their a long more
flexible hose (not rubber) to the master cylinder.
I looked in the Parts Manual, and see that this is how it is shown in
the manual (Section 4, Subsection 4, Group 1). So, where is this rubber
line that is replaced with the steel braid?!
Marc
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:22:43 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rear Wheel Alignment
My car had been lowered by the previous owner by the "cut and swap"
method. I noticed a few years ago that the rear wheels seemed to sit at
a small angle.
I am not sure of the technical term (positive/negitive camber, or
whatever..) but the wheel is at a angle such that the top of the
opposite tires are further from each other than the bottoms.
One side looks a bit more angled than the other.
I called PJ Grady, and DMC Houston last week. Both recommended
replacing the springs with new manufactured lowering springs.
DMC Houston Recommended that I also check the upper and lower control
arms, because the lowering of the car should not cause the alignment
problem.
The current height of the car is 4.25 inches clearance. DMC Houston's
springs, I was told, Bring the car up to 5.5 inches. I kinda like it
the height it is, but..... Performance is more important.
I removed the tires this morning, and checked all the bushings and
control arms. They seem to look OK. The control arms do not sit
perfectly even in their places, but it does not look all that bad.
There are 2 shims on both trailing arms. (if that matters)
The really strange thing is, when I put the tires back on, and lowered
the car, it did not look so bad any more, in fact it was hard to see any
angle at all.
I bounced the car a few times, and even took it for a quick 5 mile
drive.. It still looked ok.
So, What's going on? Any ideas?
Marc
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 13:07:00 -0400
From: "Ronald Pohala" <rpohala@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Shifting Problems...
I had similar problems and a clutch cleared it up
Ron
Could be ? Oh I am no expert synchromesh probem.
At 11:50 PM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
> My 5 Speed DeLorean does not go into Reverse, First and Second Gears.
>It
>goes into Third, Fourth and Fifth gears fine. I was thinking it might be a
>broken cable or something but I could use some help if anyone has any??
>Thanks.
>
>Later,
>Nick
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:07:36 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Shifting Problems...
At 11:50 PM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
> My 5 Speed DeLorean does not go into Reverse, First and Second Gears.
>It
>goes into Third, Fourth and Fifth gears fine. I was thinking it might be a
>broken cable or something but I could use some help if anyone has any??
>Thanks.
>
>Later,
>Nick
>
reply:
Hi Nick,
There are a couple of things you can check first.
1. Do you have the rubber hydraulic clutch line?
2. Do you have the adjustable through out link?
3. Are the link pivots loose or missing washers?
It is very un-usual to be able to get the middle gears but not 1st
or
reverse. The are sync rings that make shifting from gear to gear. It is
very likely you are not getting enough clearance in the clutch pressure
plate, or the shifter Linkage is loose.
I found that replacing the pins and washers smoothed out my manual
Trans
once I replaced the hydraulic clutch line.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 11:39:24 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cap and ding
At 01:52 AM 5/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a washer fluid rervoir cap or something
>black
>that will fit? Also, I have a small ding. WOuld heat be able to remove
>this if
>I applied it myself somehow?
>
>Dave
>
>P.S. Thanks for the Spring info. Lee.
>
>
reply:
Hi Dave,
I just finished doing the 1 1/4th Spring change on my 81. it looks
great!
I knew I was right that only the right length springs just in front would
work. The D is low enough as it is, I put in new shocks in the front at the
same time as the springs and realigned the front end. My D looks and
handles so much better. I lost only .75 inch of ground clearance total.
(full tank of gas)
There has been some discussion about cutting rear springs and
putting them
on the front and putting new front springs in the back, or something along
the same lines. Just for the record, PJ Grady has three different spring
kits too "lower the D" from 1 to 1.75 inch over all. These are new springs,
not used or old originals. I don't see the value in general lowering a D,
but I do see the usefulness on lowering just the front. The importance of
using "new mfg" springs can't be over stressed! Cutting a spring changes
the whole spring flexing profile, not just the length. Replacing shocks in
pairs (front/back) is just as important.
I am no professional driver nor have I ever taken driving corses, so
my
opinion of handling of a car are "lay" at best, I will comment that over
the years I have had some very hot cars, and until last month (sold it) had
a Lamb, which is considered by some to be a drivers machine. I enjoy
kicking a bit of a-- on the road once in a while, especially when It's one
of these slick guys in a "911 or ugly big black vett". I can't tell you how
much fun it is to take one of these types and have them pull in at the gas
station and want to see what engine I have. It my sound like I am out of my
knocker but I believe I get better handling from my D now than from my
former yellow lamb. I have found that sliding threw a corner on a country
two lane black top is just about impossible in the D, it just won't break
loose.
op! satiating to jabber again....sorry Wink<
Dave,
About that ding, yes heat and the right shaped hammers can take out the
dings, and creases. I have seen this done a while back, but hate to tell
you that you will have to track down "an old timer" in the body shop
business. I would suggest you try looking for "exotic" or foreign sports
speciality shops for some one to do this work.
For what it's worth there is one guy on the List who might be able to help,
I will send him e-mail and forward your message. He works in stainless all
the time and my be able to help?
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:41:15 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: reminder
To All
Just a reminder that any one who wants to stay at the Hilton Hotel for the
Delorean EXPO98 in L.A Universal City Hilton Towers September 3-6 must make
and confirm their reservations by August 4th in order to get the spacial
DOA rates!
Lee Seiler
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