dmcnews-digest Wednesday, February 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 483
In this issue:
DML: DMC hotwheel
DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
DML: Re: Clutch
DML: MINT DELOREAN SOLD IN 3.5 SEC
DML:Delorean sighting!
Re: DML: Re: DELOREAN FONT
Re: DML: Last DMC VIN
Re: DML: Clutch
Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
DML: bttf delorean
DML: Thin Pin Stripe
DML: Re: Want to buy a DeLorean in Europe
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: BTTF III DMC
Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
Re: DML: Thin Pin Stripe
Re: DML: Re: No more keys
Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Re: DML: bttf delorean
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: Low Mi-Exc Cond "D" For Sale
DML: sidestripe removal
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: lookng to trade for a DELOREAN
Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
DML: Front Black out kit
Re: DML: Front Black out kit
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: DMC-12 Wanted!!!
DML: Tampa Bay reference DMC sought
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: Re: Clutch
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:41:17 -0000
From: "chris walker" <jackell@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC hotwheel
I'm not sure if I should put this up on here or not, so, I'm sorry if
anybody gets mad.
I have an DMC hotwheel/matchbox type car that I've had since I was a kid.
It's body is silver and the base is black. The doors gullwing up just like
on the real car. It's in c-9 shape and I'm looking to sell it. If anybody is
looking for something like this, let me know.
Chris
jackell@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 09:06:28 -0000
From: cm192@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
I am a huge fan of Deloreans and desperatley want one, but I live in
England. The questions I want to ask are
1) Are deloreans legal on the English roads?
2) Were any right hand drive Deloreans built?
Hope you can hellp, if not send us any e mails that can
Thanking you
Luke Marshall
cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:30:20 -0600
From: magriese@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re: Clutch
Tom wrote
>Question 1: what was the black gel like stuff?
Question2 : Since it's draining by itself while in storage is this more
serious than a shot master? I assume I will need to replace the master,
even though it was replaced not too long ago by the previous owner, but is
the self draining a common symptom of a bad master or would it be more like
a broken line?<
The goo is probably what is left of your master cylinder seals. If they
are indeed gone, that explains why the reservoir is leaking.
Michael A. Griese
Storage Software Development Manager
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:36:51 PST
From: "" <dmf_kingnothing@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: MINT DELOREAN SOLD IN 3.5 SEC
I saw a DeLorean at a Chriceler<sp> lot for 32k and when I went back the
next day it was gone. I talked to the manger of the lot and he said
that he sold it to a guy that was following the truck that it was on and
when the truck stoped at the lot the man went in right-a-way and bought
the car! (it was an 83 in mint-condition never ran, the manger said it
came from a car muesume<sp> and runs great!)
- -Drew
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:46:07 PST
From: "Jeremy Curtis" <happy_gil75@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML:Delorean sighting!
DMLers
I don't know if you were aware of this, but I was watching a late
80's movie called "Fraternity Vacation" and I saw a Delorean for about 5
seconds! It is a VERY cheesy comedy starring Tim Robbins and some other
unknowns. It appears towards the end of the movie while the main
characters are driving by in their BMW. You see a front shot with the
DMC logo clearly showing!! Check it out!!
Jeremy Curtis
No VIN#(yet)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:10:15 -0500
From: bttfdmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DELOREAN FONT
Wouldn't the DMC Font/Typeface be a trademark of DeLorean Motor
Company (Houston)? Due to the fact that DMC is now back in
business and that you have to get permission from them to
use the DMC logo or DeLorean lettering?
Randy
GUEST MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm holding off any further posts speculating about
the DeLorean font topic until there is something factual posted rather than
speculation/opinion. Ding dong this thread is dead.
Knut (guest moderator)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:35:21 -0600
From: "Michael M. Stark" <maynard@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Last DMC VIN
Very last Delorean ever built was actually 20105. This was a gold
plated one that was used for promotional use by Consolidated. 20104 was
the last stainless made but it was never put up for sale. The owner of
Consolidated kept it for himself. 20103 was the last one made that was
put up for sale. Current owner is me.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:55:53 PST
From: "" <dmf_kingnothing@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Clutch
>From: "Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: Clutch
>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:37:23 -0500
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
<snip>
>Question2 : Since it's draining by itself while in storage is this more
>serious than a shot master? I assume I will need to replace the master,
>even though it was replaced not too long ago by the previous owner, but is
>the self draining a common symptom of a bad master or would it be more like
>a broken line?
>
>Also, since I have no DMC repair places close here in Maine, I was
>wondering if a master replacement can be handled by a competent mechanic?
>Any special things to watch out for while replacing one? A local service
>place, of good reputation, has replaced rusted out brake lines on 2 of my
>other cars with no problem. I'm always more wary when it comes to my "D".
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Tom #5732
>
No, there should be a gasket and it is made of a cheap rubber and you
can find a replacement part just bring in the old gasket and compare it
to what you can find (you may need to buy a large gasket and cut it, I
did!)
- -Drew
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:57:51 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
There were a few right hand drive deloreans built. I'm unsure of the
actual amount but I do know there weren't too many. If they were right
hand drive I would assume they were built for and are legal for street
use in England. I hope this helps.
>Subject: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 09:06:28 -0000
>From: cm192@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
>To: buynsell@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>I am a huge fan of Deloreans and desperatley want one, but I live in
>England. The questions I want to ask are
>1) Are deloreans legal on the English roads?
>2) Were any right hand drive Deloreans built?
>
>Hope you can hellp, if not send us any e mails that can
>Thanking you
>Luke Marshall
>cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:04:01 -0800 (PST)
From: michael bergeron <foxmulder241@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: bttf delorean
has any one that's been to universal studios florida took the time to
read the sign in front of the delorean it says it was used in the movie
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Date: 16 Feb 99 05:49:51 PST
From: KIRK BRANDON <delorean02378@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Thin Pin Stripe
First of all, I have a new E-mail address other than work (EBRANDON@FORD.=
COM)
it's (DELOREAN02378@xxxxxxxxxxxx).
Does anyone know where I can find a thin pin strip (3M product) that was =
a
dealer option in early 81? I'm taking my car to DMCJOE at the end of the =
month
and my original pin stripe is either going to be replaced or will have to=
be
removed. I really like the thin stripe, it's makes it look just a little
different. I would greatly appreciate any help.
By the way Travis Graham has spotted a Blue Delorean (YUK) for sale in
Brentwood TN. We don't know all the information yet, but we hope to go lo=
ok at
the car this weekend and post the info.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:45:08 +0100
From: "Nikki Schumann" <Nikki.Schumann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Want to buy a DeLorean in Europe
Hello Nina,
If you are in Germany, you should check out Christoph Witz in Switzerland.
He's at a place located near Zurich and by the pictures on his page it looks
like he's got a few DMC's out on his front yard for sale that look in great
shape.
I have been thinking to make a trip out there sometime but so far haven't
found the time to do it. Please tell us if you do any business with
Christophe. I'm sure European DML'ers would be interested in knowing more
about this service center.
Here's the URL:
http://www.delorean.ch/service/ch_wirz.html
Regards,
Nikki
>Hello,
>
>I'm searching for a DeLorean in Europe.
>I offer up to 25000 DM (15000 US$).
>
>Nina
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:28:45 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Joe
If you say so. All I know is that I bought that automatic new and it never
accelerated like a 5-speed. I would have to do a lot of research, but I
seem to remember that the 5-speed had a 0 - 60 time between 9 - 10 seconds.
The automatic, I thought was about 13 seconds.
Honestly, I was once timed by Turbo magazine just after I had put twin
turbos on that car (done by DeLorean Motor Center). They liked the look of
the set-up (I added some poslishing and chrome), the D was unique and they
were looking for stories (this was before the advent of Japanese turbo
set-ups that are now so popular). With the brakes on, we reved the
engine until I had gone from vacuum to dead zero - just before boost - and
then let off the brakes, and had the foot in the trunk. Three runs - all
over 9 seconds - very close to 10 seconds. Needless to say, Turbo magazine
didn't run any story about my car.
BTW, I have been busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking
chairs, so I haven't performed the check you suggested on my present car.
I will get to it shortly and then get back to you.
Thanks
Dick
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:41:11 -0500
From: "Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: BTTF III DMC
If you have a laser disc version of BTTFIII and do a frame by frame right
before the train hits the car, you can actually see small explosive squibs
going off before the train even hits it. This was to help facilitate a
nice looking spread of the parts. I had read that the car was just a shell
with no engine and no fiberglass underbody.
Tom
#5732
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:41:31 +0000
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
DeLoreans registered by the person who imports/imported them will be
registered automatically by the submission of the appropriate form, as were
those cars that never left the country. Those being registered by a person
who did not originally import it needs to get the car Type Approved. This
means the addition of foglights, sidelights and making the indicators flash
as they do here - among other things.
There are a few RHD cars around in the UK and a few in Australia where LHD
cars are illegal to drive. I can't remember exact figures, but there are
around 20 RHD cars with some being private conversions.
Best Wishes,
Martin
DeLorean Owners Club UK - http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 18:09:30 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Thin Pin Stripe
On 2/16/99 1:48 PM, KIRK BRANDON shared these fine thoughts...
>Does anyone know where I can find a thin pin strip (3M product) that was =
>a
>dealer option in early 81? I'm taking my car to DMCJOE at the end of the =
>month
>and my original pin stripe is either going to be replaced or will have to=
> be
>removed. I really like the thin stripe, it's makes it look just a little
>different. I would greatly appreciate any help.
DeLorean Motor Company in Houston has these...
800-USA-DMC1
281-568-9573
James Espey
GUEST MODERATOR'S NOTE: Oh man! The boss is watching -- I'd better shape
up.
Knut
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:55:22 EST
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: No more keys
Well I'd love to have some for the raffle
if you have never been to a DeLorean car show with over 70 deloreans its a
real sight
I think you'd really enjoy it.
I see a lot of people backed your stance. I wish there were more people
that
would take on a project like that.
Anyway I hope you do come to the cleveland show I expect 100 or more
DeLoreans
yours could be one of them and I will be isn St louis next fall.
I still would like to know if you have any blank keys with no molding just
the
metal only.
If you do I am interested.
Ken
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:18:49 PST
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
Hey Luke!
DeLoreans can be made legal for english roads easily, and 8 RHD drive
DeLorean's were built, so you probably won't be buying one of those! I
suggest you contact the DOC - UK (DeLorean Owners Club UK) who have a
website at the following address:
http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/
Talk to you later!
John Dore, Ireland.
>Subject: DML: Fwd: Delorean in England?
>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 09:06:28 -0000
>From: cm192@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
>To: buynsell@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>I am a huge fan of Deloreans and desperatley want one, but I live in
>England. The questions I want to ask are
>1) Are deloreans legal on the English roads?
>2) Were any right hand drive Deloreans built?
>
>Hope you can hellp, if not send us any e mails that can
>Thanking you
>Luke Marshall
>cm192@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:01:05 EST
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
In a message dated 2/16/99 4:54:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, raddad@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< With the brakes on, we reved the
engine until I had gone from vacuum to dead zero - just before boost - and
then let off the brakes, and had the foot in the trunk. Three runs - all
over 9 seconds - very close to 10 seconds. Needless to say, Turbo magazine
didn't run any story about my car.
>>
This is not a challenge but I am curious. I have a single stage turbo and
can
run 0 to 60 times in about low 7's this is of course with the boost turned
all
the way up. You say that your car only ran in 9's with the turbos? It may
help to specify that I have a 5 speed.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:14:51 EST
From: DocBosch@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: bttf delorean
<<has any one that's been to universal studios florida took the time to
<<read the sign in front of the delorean it says it was used in the movie
Yeah, well, they also tell you you're a time travel volunteer and that you
really just traveled through time. Don't forget about the big monkey that
really attacked you while on the real monorail when you were really in New
York.
Universal is allowed to lie to you as long as the lie doesn't hurt you in
any
way and there's no chance of a law suit.
Bosch<===
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:40:17 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Is it possible there is or was something wrong with your setup? A
delorean with twin turbos regardless of whether it's a 5 speed or an
automatic should have better 0-60 runs than 9 seconds. How much boost
does your car run? Check for vacuum leaks.
>From: raddad@xxxxxxx
<snip>
>Honestly, I was once timed by Turbo magazine just after I had put twin
>turbos on that car (done by DeLorean Motor Center). They liked the look of
>the set-up (I added some poslishing and chrome), the D was unique and they
>were looking for stories (this was before the advent of Japanese turbo
>set-ups that are now so popular). With the brakes on, we reved the
>engine until I had gone from vacuum to dead zero - just before boost - and
>then let off the brakes, and had the foot in the trunk. Three runs - all
>over 9 seconds - very close to 10 seconds. Needless to say, Turbo magazine
>didn't run any story about my car.
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:55:15 MST
From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
I think the fact that he had an automatic is why his times were so high.
The autos won't rev as high, thus the turbos don't really have a chance
to show their stuff. Our 5-speed equiped with twin turbos almost runs
along side a '97 Mustang Cobra 0-60, and by 100 the DeLorean in
WAAAAYYYY ahead of the Mustang. I could imagine a DeLorean with a
similar turbo set up with an automatic transmission wouldn't even run up
with a 6-banger Mustang. Turbos on an automatic is almost a waste
because they'll never rev high enough to use the turbos. Now, a
supercharger is a different story... Anyone tried it? Is there a
supercharger that could possibly fit the PRV-6? Thanks in advance!
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:17:49 EST
From: MMartin478@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Cheap DMCs
With very nice DeLoreans going for $18-$20,000 why would anyone want to pay
$8-$10,000 for a dog that requires another $12,000 to bring it into shape?
....
- ----------------------
Well, I hate to stir the pot, BUT, not all inexpensive Deloreans are dogs:
I bought my Delorean 5 years ago from the original owner in Denver. I
actually
was not looking for a Delorean (I have two old corvettes that kept me busy)
but had called about an ad he put in the paper for a used air compressor .
By
the time I made it to his house he had sold the compressor but made the
comment that he still had stuff that he needed to get rid of, like that old
car in his garage. He said his wife told him the night before that after
their
third grandchild, he needed to grow up and get rid of some toys. Well, I
always love reading about other peoples "treasure in the barn" stories so I
decided to check it out. There sat VIN#6370, a beautifully maintained
,41,000
mile, original owner ,everything works 81 Delorean. After looking the car
over
we went back to the house were he pulled out a neatly organized box of
records
that contained ,among other things, the window sticker, bill of sale, order
form, ALL maitainence records, ALL back issues of Delorean World, All back
issues of De Gull Wing news letter and a complete set of manuals. He then
gave
me the price of 7,500. Not knowing anything about the car or its worth, I
told
him I would think about it. The next day, after a little research in
Hemmings
and a long test drive, I bought it. From the day I brought it home, this car
has been driven EVERY day with terrific reliability. Over the last 5 years
its needed (aside from normal maitainence) a water pump, radiator, two
computer govenors, new rubber coolant and transmission hoses, metal door
handles, lockzilla ,headliners ,seat covers, a freon charge and a few other
misc. items (all of which I do myself). It even has the same Interstate
battery (remember that thread?) that was in it when I bought it. Not bad for
an 18 year old dog.
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:09:52 -0600
From: "MARK" <mazz@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Low Mi-Exc Cond "D" For Sale
For Sale:
- 1981 DeLorean
- Automatic Transmission
- In Storage for 15 years.
- Professionally Maintained
- Excellent Conditon
- 3,000 Original Miles.
- Original Tires
- Original Cleaning Kit
- Original Sales Brochure.
- Gray Leather Flawless Interior.
- Price $22,500
I have kept this car in absolutely excellent condition and stored in a
climate controlled facility. Because the car has been in storage for many
years, it receives a yearly scheduled professionally serviced
maintainence
to keep the engine and components in top shape. If you are looking for
an
all original Delorean that has: blemish free stainless steel, new looking
original leather interior, excellent running engine and showroom
condition,then contact me. A must see for the serious collector. I am
located in Florida.
Thank You.
Mark .
email;
mazz@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:42:23 -0800
From: "Doug Olson" <dougo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: sidestripe removal
I've checked the archive, but haven't been able find a conclusive answer to
this question. Here goes:
Is it possible to successfully remove DMC accent sidestripes from a vehicle
that had them put on as a dealer installed option? By "successfully" I mean
is it possible to remove the stripes and restore the car to its original
condition (no residual traces). In the archive, someone suggested using a
hair dryer to heat up the strip and then peal it off slowly. That sounds
like a good idea, however I'm wondering if anyone here has performed this
procedure and would care to comment on how it turned out?
Thanks!
- -DougO
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:52:59 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
That sounds about right. My 5-speed with twins should do that. The car in
question was an automatic and was running about 7lbs of boost.
- ----------------------------------------------
>This is not a challenge but I am curious. I have a single stage turbo and
>can
>run 0 to 60 times in about low 7's this is of course with the boost turned
>all
>the way up. You say that your car only ran in 9's with the turbos? It may
>help to specify that I have a 5 speed.
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:17:34 -0500 (EST)
From: RICKAYE@xxxxxxxxx (FREDERICK RAHN 3RD)
Subject: DML: lookng to trade for a DELOREAN
HEY, I KNOW THIS IS A STRAGE QUESTION, BUT IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE
THAT HAS A DELOREAN AND WOULD LIKE TO TRADE IT FOR A 195 FORD FAIRLANE
500. I HAVE BEEN RESTORING THIS CAR FOR A WHILE NOW AND IT IS NICE. I
WAS DOING THIS TO SELL THE CAR AND WORK TOWARDS MY FIRST DELOREAN. THE
DELOREAN IS MY DREAM CAR AND I HOPE TO HAVE ONE SOME DAY BUT THE MY
WIFE AND I HAD TWIN BOYS NOT LONG AGO AND THE 1959 FORD HAS NOT SOLD
YET. IF THERE IS ANYONE INTERESTED OR CAN HELP, PLEASE SEND ME AN
E-MAIL
THANK YOU
RICK RAHN
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:36:59 MST
From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Are you guys sure this was a real DeLorean? I can vaguely remember
watching a "Making of BTTF" show on TV when I was around 10 years old
and they showed the filming of the scene where the DeLorean is hit by
the train, and when they zoom out it is VERY clear it is a scale model
train sitting on a table hitting a tiny model DeLorean. It looked very
realistic (I thought it was a real train hitting a real D before it
zoomed out) and looks exactly like the scene in the movie. I can even
vaguely remember them talking about all the hours it took to set up the
model and get it to fly apart, and do so realistically. I may be
mistaken, because I was 10 and I have no proof, but I'm just telling you
what I saw. Thanks!
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
(I hope I do not offend anyone by posting the URL to my site, but it is
merely an informational page. I wish to do nothing but "show off" the
DeLorean automobile to the world.)
>From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:43:46 EST
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>In a message dated 2/15/99 7:51:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>knife_jack@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
><< As for the DeLorean in BTF III that was destroyed...
> Someone please assure me that it was a model... >
>
>I was told that the Delorean used in part 3 was 1 of the worst out of
the 5
>used, it was a real Delorean and was loosened at all major parts so it
would
>shatter on impact. The engine and transmission were not in the car at
the
>time
>of the impact. ALL of the parts that are left are sitting in a ware
house in
>one of the backlots. If you look at the film, it is easy to see that
yes
>these
>are real Delorean pieces and not that of a model.
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:58:41 EST
From: DeLorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
In a message dated 2/17/99 10:54:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<<
Are you guys sure this was a real DeLorean? I can vaguely remember
watching a "Making of BTTF" show on TV when I was around 10 years old
and they showed the filming of the scene where the DeLorean is hit by
the train, and when they zoom out it is VERY clear it is a scale model
train sitting on a table hitting a tiny model DeLorean. >>
You are refering to the scene where the train pushes the Delorean to get it
up
to 88 mph so Marty can get back to 1985 near the end of the movie. That
scene
is shown in detail in The Secrets of Back To The Future video. Which is the
behind the scenes show you saw. A highly detailed model of the Delorean and
the train was used in that scene where it goes over the bridge.
Gary
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:24:52 -0600
From: "Duke" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Front Black out kit
I have (had) a black out kit for the front of my 'D. However, I lost =
the drivers' side headlight cover this weekend. Does anyone know if =
someone may still carry these?? Any help would be greatly =
appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance,
Duke
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:47:47 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Front Black out kit
Duke
Try both Teri Jennings and/or John Truscott. They have both sold these in
the past.
DickRyan
VIN 16867
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>I have (had) a black out kit for the front of my 'D. However, I lost =
>the drivers' side headlight cover this weekend. Does anyone know if =
>someone may still carry these?? Any help would be greatly =
>appreciated!!!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Duke
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:53:00 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
I disagree. Yes I understand that a 5 speed can rev up and let the
turbos spool but the difference betwwen the two shouldn't be that great.
The car will still go thru all the gears with an automatic. Granted the
launch will be better with a manual, but a twin turbo Delorean should
not have 0-60 times in the nine second range even if it is an automatic.
I think something may be wrong with his setup.
>From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:55:15 MST
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>I think the fact that he had an automatic is why his times were so
high.
>The autos won't rev as high, thus the turbos don't really have a chance
>to show their stuff. Our 5-speed equiped with twin turbos almost runs
>along side a '97 Mustang Cobra 0-60, and by 100 the DeLorean in
>WAAAAYYYY ahead of the Mustang. I could imagine a DeLorean with a
>similar turbo set up with an automatic transmission wouldn't even run
up
>with a 6-banger Mustang. Turbos on an automatic is almost a waste
>because they'll never rev high enough to use the turbos. Now, a
>supercharger is a different story... Anyone tried it? Is there a
>supercharger that could possibly fit the PRV-6? Thanks in advance!
>
> Adam Michael, VIN#1428
>The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:46:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Helmut Kohler <mrdmc12@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC-12 Wanted!!!
Hi there,
My name is Helmut Kohler. I'm looking for a DeLorean to restore.
I am looking to pay under $10,000 for the car and take the time and
enjoyment to restore it. I am looking for a 5 speed, but I will buy an
automatic for the right price. I would like for the car to be running,
but if not, that's okay too. Thank you very much for your time and
consideration!!!! You can call my business at (714)821-1844 or e-mail
me at: MrDMC12@xxxxxxxxx Thanks again!
Sincerely,
Helmut Kohler, Jr.
(714)821-1844 phone & fax
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Date: 02/17 6:53 PM
From: Tom Niemczewski@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, tomciodmc@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Tampa Bay reference DMC sought
Hi,
Are there any Tampa Bay (FL) area owners on this list? I checked the
owners
directory and the closest one is in Miami. I am in the process of
installing
an engine in my D and it would really help if I could take a look at a
complete car. I didn't take the engine out, so I don't know how it goes in
;o). I mean the wires, vacuum lines, fuel lines. I can't find any D's
locally. If someone can help, please email me directly at:
tomciodmc@xxxxxxx
Thanks,
Tom Niemczewski
tomciodmc@xxxxxxx
vin 6298
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:04:07 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Marc Barth wrote:
> I disagree. Yes I understand that a 5 speed can rev up and let the
> turbos spool but the difference betwwen the two shouldn't be that great.
The real problem with auto transmissions, especially 3 speeds, is that the
engine spends less time near the torque peak. When you have fewer gears,
there's no way around it. When the engine is running at low speeds (and
in the case of the PRV also near redline), it produces less power.
At http://www.dmcnews.com/misc/rpm2mph.html there is a chart detailing the
gear ratios. For a 0-60 time, we won't get out of 2nd gear (auto) or 3rd
(manual).
For a good approximation, run a 0-60 in your 5-speed, but start in second
gear.
Even modern, high-performance automatics cost performance. The '95 Mazda
RX-7 (last model year sold in USA), for example, loses a second in its
0-60 time when equipped with the auto. And that transmission is
considerably more advanced intelligence-wise than the auto trans found in
the DeLorean.
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:10:08 EST
From: DeLorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
I have read many posts referring to different aspects of the automatic vs.
the
manual tansmission. I was wondering are there any D owners on this list who
have an automatic who have not experienced any problems with it? I have
seen
a couple D's for sale in excellent condition but after reading so many
negatives about automatics I am reluctant to buy one. I understand the 5
speed is more enjoyable to drive. However if I but an wutomatic that
appears
to run fine are there issues with the transmission which need to be
addressed
even if no problems are experinced?
Gary
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:27:35 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Clutch
Tom,
The black jell your talking about is grease. It is inserted between the
plunger and piston to pedal action quiet and smooth . When the cylinder
leaks fluid it causes the grease to ozze out.
Any competent mechanic should be able to handle a master cylinder
replacement, there are no special procedures or precautions.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
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> From: Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Clutch
> Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 4:37 PM
>
> I originally noticed a black gel like substance coming out of my clutch
> master from where the piston goes into the dust cover. I figure since it
> was not my DOT 4 fluid I didn't worry, I placed a rag in the small
> indentation just in case.........
>
> Now my car's up for the winter and not being driven. About 3 weeks ago I
> noticed that my clutch pedal was soft. I checked the fluid and it was
low.
> I filled it with DOT4 and pumped the pedal a few times and it came back.
> I haven't driven the car since as it's up for the winter. I went in it
> today and the fluid is gone and the pedal goes to the floor. Luckily I
had
> put that rag in there. The rag caught all the fluid.
>
> Question 1: what was the black gel like stuff?
>
> Question2 : Since it's draining by itself while in storage is this more
> serious than a shot master? I assume I will need to replace the master,
> even though it was replaced not too long ago by the previous owner, but is
> the self draining a common symptom of a bad master or would it be more
like
> a broken line?
>
> Also, since I have no DMC repair places close here in Maine, I was
> wondering if a master replacement can be handled by a competent mechanic?
> Any special things to watch out for while replacing one? A local service
> place, of good reputation, has replaced rusted out brake lines on 2 of my
> other cars with no problem. I'm always more wary when it comes to my "D".
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom #5732
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:48:36 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
You're absolutely right. I just felt that a twin turbocharged Delorean
even if it does have an automatic shouldn't be running such pitiful 0-60
runs. I agree with you in the fact that autos are slower. We can go on
and on citing examples how automatics are slower and that many
manufacturers detune engines that are equipped with automatics. However
I just felt that even with an auto he should be much quicker than 9+
seconds 0-60. Just my 2 cents.
>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:04:07 -0500 (EST)
>From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Marc Barth wrote:
>
>> I disagree. Yes I understand that a 5 speed can rev up and let the
>> turbos spool but the difference betwwen the two shouldn't be that great.
>
>The real problem with auto transmissions, especially 3 speeds, is that the
>engine spends less time near the torque peak. When you have fewer gears,
>there's no way around it. When the engine is running at low speeds (and
>in the case of the PRV also near redline), it produces less power.
>
>At http://www.dmcnews.com/misc/rpm2mph.html there is a chart detailing the
>gear ratios. For a 0-60 time, we won't get out of 2nd gear (auto) or 3rd
>(manual).
>
>For a good approximation, run a 0-60 in your 5-speed, but start in second
>gear.
>
>Even modern, high-performance automatics cost performance. The '95 Mazda
>RX-7 (last model year sold in USA), for example, loses a second in its
>0-60 time when equipped with the auto. And that transmission is
>considerably more advanced intelligence-wise than the auto trans found in
>the DeLorean.
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