dmcnews-digest Wednesday, January 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 471
In this issue:
DML: updated..
Re: DML: Re: Clean Fuel distributor
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: Rob Grady
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: I'm sorry i had to write this
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: RE: Re: radiator cap
DML: Re: Delorean cemetaries
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: Any De Lorean Kit-Cars Available?
DML: Rob Grady and Lisa
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: JZD Mentioned on TLC
DML: My page..
Re: DML: Zilla?
DML: Tail Lights
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Re: [DML: Any De Lorean Kit-Cars Available?]
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: [admin] Lisa, Rob, Jameel and everyone else
DML: Re: Tail Lights
re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: Kits
DML: Door/fender replacement project
Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
DML: Re: Delorean cemetaries
DML: Fair price for D1 manuals
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:01:14 -0600
From: "Jameel Ahed" <ahed@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: updated..
Dear DML,
I have updated my visit gallery.. take a look..
http://cybertechind.com/home/pjgrady.html
Jameel
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:29:54 -0800
From: Ben Krasnow <kraz@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Clean Fuel distributor
I bought some Red Line fuel system cleaner (tank additive), which was
recommended by several people. My car has sat dormant for at least 8
years before I bought it. I doubt the owner took any care of it, such
as starting it up every week or so. The reason I suspected the fuel
distributer was because I took out the injectors and obeserved their
behavior. One was irregular. It sprayed on and off at cruising
throttles, and dripped on sharp deceleration. I swapped the injector
with a healthy one, and it made no difference. This means the problem
in is the differential valve in the distributer. I'll try this fuel
system cleaner, and let everyone know how it works out.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:35:40 EST
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Dear Lisa and the DML,
How dare you talk about PJ Grady like that? Have you even talked to
the
man? I don't think that you understand what he has done for the De
Lorean.
Have you ever heard of the "Zilla" line of products that he created? If
it
weren't for those a lot of owners De Loreans would either overheat, or the
owners would even get locked inside the cars themselves. I brought my car
there about a week ago and I am not "afraid" of what he is going to do to
it.
It took me about a year for him to finally fit me in, now that must mean
that
he is doing something right. He has been a dealer for the car since "81.
Now, you were talking about that fenced in area that is to the left of the
office, that is where he put my car when I dropped it off. He keeps most
of
the cars there that are waiting to be fixed. How can you say that he uses
those cars for spare parts? There were only a few cars there that must
have
been in a car accidents and he was using them for parts not the other
cars.
Did you even go there? I don't think that you should talk about something
when you only saw a few pictures of it. And saying that you are never
going
to do business with him doesn't mean anything, i doubt he would even do
business with you if he read what you said about him, he is too busy
working
with loyal customers, this also helps the rest of us for getting our shot
of
having a PROFESSIONAL look at our car rather then someone who might think
the
car is a "kit car" and would look under the hood for the engine. Also
Lisa,
just for you, when I go to pick up my car I will be sure to make sure I
have
all the "parts" that I had before I dropped it off, OK?
Just my 2 cents, but someone had to do it.
Later,
Nick
VIN#1852
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:40:55 -0600
From: Tamir Ardon <ardont@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Msstrygrl@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Jameel,
>
> I visited your recent picture site (
> http://cybertechind.com/home/pjgrady.html ) and quite honestly feel
> sorry I
> did. I had no idea what that site was going to show or I would never have
> looked at it - I found it to be very depressing.
>
I felt very differently after visiting Jameel's site. I don't think by
having
a large amount of cars siting outside that Mr. Grady is trying to degrade
the
car in any way. I have talked to him several times and found him to be
quite
knowledgeable and fair with prices. If anything, PJ. Grady helps the
Delorean
enthusiast. Nice pictures Jameel!!
Just my thoughts,
Tamir (#11474)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:46:33 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rob Grady
Hello Everyone:
I don't want to start a "Holy War" (and I even waited a couple hours
to send this reply...waited so long that I deleted the original post and
can't really remember for sure who sent it). However, the writer
critical of the photos of PJ Grady's was so way out of line that I
couldn't talk myself out of responding.
I live in the dead center of the US and the likelihood of my DeLorean
ever getting to PJ Grady's is very low. But, I would not hesitate for a
second to take my car to Rob and his crew. Even out here in the midwest
I have been fortunate to have dealings with Rob and Debbie Grady. I feel
very secure knowing that they are just a phone call away. BTW, has the
writer of that original post ever seen a mechanic's shop? Every one I've
ever seen (the good ones, that is) always has cars parked all over the
place...that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the cars...it means he's
busy...why is he busy? HE IS GOOD!
(Aside from DMC Joe) how many mechanics (not to mention fully trained
and astoundingly knowledgeable DeLorean mechanics) would give FREE
advice and consultation absolutely knowing that the caller will never,
ever be bringing his (or her) car to the mechanic's shop for service?
The care, consideration and time consuming help that Rob and Debbie give
away each and every day is astounding. If that aspect of their business
alone doesn't show the respect and love of what they are doing (Keeping
the "Dream" alive) I don't know what is! (I won't even get into the
Zilla products that Rob developed to make all DeLorean owners lives
easier!)
I also have written here from time to time about my own DeLorean
mechanic here in Kansas City and how exceptional he is. The only time I
feel even better about the care my precious DeLorean is getting from my
factory-trained DeLorean mechanic, Eudell Lusher, is when I hear him
say: "I'll give Grady's a call to see what they think".
I will close by saying to the obviously uninformed writer of the
critical (and, I think petty) post about the photos of Grady's
operation, I hope if you ever need Rob's advice (and someday, somehow
you will)..I hope you use an alias when you call him. (Of course,
knowing how Rob operates, he would help anyway)!
I really appreciated the photos. (And putting a smiling face to
Debbie's always friendly voice was an added plus.) De Miller, Kansas
City. VIN #3427 Lic. OUTATYM
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:43:27 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Msstrygrl@xxxxxxx wrote:
> did. I had no idea what that site was going to show or I would never have
> looked at it - I found it to be very depressing.
I assume you are referring to the last picture in the list?
> were old VWs or something of that sort. He obviously has acquired more
> Deloreans than he can properly store (I'm assuming he's been picking at
> several for parts) and he ought to find better accommodations for them
I have no idea what the cars are doing there, but I'm sure PJ Grady is
putting them to good use. They probably are parts cars, so I don't know
why he wouldn't want to leave them lying around outside, works of art or
no. It won't hurt the body panels or any of the mechanical parts, which
is all you really care about in a parts car. And, I'm sure if anyone
wanted to buy one, he'd probably sell it to them.
Seeing a bunch of ruined DeLoreans in a yard is like walking into a morgue
where everyone looks like your best friend. But they do expire from time
to time, and it's either leave them at a place like PJ Grady, where usable
parts will be recycled and some of the cars will be used to conduct
experiments, or to leave them in the junkyard.
PJ Grady has brought us many of the improvements that really increase the
quality of the car. Lockzilla, Fanzilla, Tankzilla all come to mind
immediately as improvements that Rob has brought us. He has also made
improvements such as the window track improvements and brass radiator. I
guarantee you that he is not developing these improvements on his green
car.
Whatever his motives for leaving his cars in the yard, I'm sure it's not
out of disrespect.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:44:19 PST
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: I'm sorry i had to write this
this letter is in regard to LISA'S letter she wrote about the latest
picture
of PJ Grady's business. i find it extememly RUDE of her to say what she
did. To me, her posting such a horrible letter like that makes me feel
bad
for being assosiated with her as a DML member and DMC owner. she shouldnt
be asking "what were you thinking when you were posting those picture"
lisa
should be thinking to herself, "why did i write such a rude and
insensitive
letter and post it on the DML for everybody to get pissed off at"
justhow if feel. sorry i posted this, i usually just send a direct letter
to the writer, but i had to post this one time. and to PJ grady and the
Author of the website hosting the picture, Im sorry for what she said. i
thought those pictures were great, and i think what PJ Grady is doing for
deloreans is great. thank you so much!
Erik Geerdink
88 MPH
"You built a time machine...out of a DELOREAN?!"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:11:53 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
In regards to the delorean cemetaries,I restore deloreans as a hobby,and I
have
respect for the delorean motif to store all my cars inside,but as a
person in
their own business,I can understand what PJ Grady is doing,some of those
Deloreans you saw in the pics,will one day either will become full blown
restored cars,or they will be sacrificed, to save another delorean,as a
business person you cannot feel the same way about a product,do you think
JZ
Delorean,once the factory was in full
production think of the deloreans that were produced as no more than a
product
such as a stove or a refrigerator.That is the price you pay when you are a
self employed
business owner,you look at the bottom line first,and the product,or
service
second.
Claude
000570
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:14:47 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Re: radiator cap
Joe, and all other DMLer's,
I realize many caps will fit the D, but I had a very hard time finding =
the right pressure release requirements that the D calls for. Fitting =
wasn't the problem; finding the right pressure release was. That is why =
I posted this for all users; simply because I found this particular cap =
very difficult to find. It was hard for me to find because the stock cap =
releases at 15 lbs of pressure. And the only place that I could find =
this cap was at the GM dealer. I found 16lb and 13lb caps, but no 15lb =
caps. There wasn't an auto parts store in my town that could even order =
one. I even went to a radiator shop and they didn't have one. And even =
the GM dealer said it was unusual that they had this cap in stock. My =
guess is that a 15 lb cap is an unusual part. This was just my =
experience. I hope this helps. ---Dan
- ----------
From: DMC Joe[SMTP:DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 1999 10:36 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re: radiator cap
Dan,
Just thought I would let you know that just about any standard radiator=20
cap
will fit the DeLorean. These caps can be found at all auto supply =
stores,
Kmart, and other department stores for around $ 5.00.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:13:22 -0600
From: "Micah Fryman" <nocoke2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean cemetaries
Lisa,
I believe everyone has a right to there own opinions. I usually bite my
tongue on some of the postings that come across the list, but I just
couldn't pass this up. As for mine opinion, Jameel had some really nice
pictures of his adventure to PJ Grady's facility. As for Rob Grady, I
can't say enough good things about everyone at PJ Grady's. They are very
helpful and most of all there courtesy is outstanding. Now as for my
opinion on your comments. As looking through the pictures, especially the
one that has you in a deep emotional state of depression. Mr. Grady does
have the cars in a fence with barb wire so that they are protected from
predators. You must understand, he runs a service facility, so cars will
sit outside until they are finished or waiting for repair. The cost to
put
every car into a covered shed would run extremely high in overhead which
would reflect on the consumer. I see no need to garage all those cars.
Hey, most of the cars sat on dealer parking lots out in the weather and
not
safe from those predators for months before being sold. It is obvious
that
you are a new owner that NEEDS TO GET A LIFE. I do agree with you that
the
Delorean is a work of automobile art, but come on it is still a CAR a
form
of transportation. I find nothing depressing from Jameel's pictures that
would call for me to be put on Prozac. I don't mean to sound rude, but
your comments are ridiculous.
MY OPINION,
MICAH
vin# 16694 1983
vin# 0697 1981
vin# 4784 1981
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:05:21 -0500 (EST)
From: WINGER2@xxxxxxxxx (TRENT BAILEY)
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
I think that you have not been an Delorean owner long enough, to respect
Rob Grady for his dedication to our cars. As for your comments about his
lack of appreciation for the cars, I guess you have not seen the quality
work that he does.
Trent Bailey
email: winger2@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:24:33 -0400
From: "JJCS Corp." <skynet@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Any De Lorean Kit-Cars Available?
Greetings!
I recently had the chance to see a closer De Lorean thanks to the gentle
invitation of one of the DMC-12 owners (Joel in Puerto Rico). It is truly
an amazing vehicle but it lacks many details... (which I will not discuss
here). There is no doubt I will be getting one later on since I had to
spend the money (originally for the DMC-12) installing my own business and
that will take a long while before I can do that.
As I discussed with Joel... Are there any De Lorean Fiberglass Kit-Cars?
Say... for a Fiero? or a Toyota MR-2 body? If not fiberglass, How about
Aluminum? It will not be the same, but as a second De Lorean for the
owners
or for a First De Lorean for non-owners it might be a hit... and possibly
less expensive to maintain (and painting would be possible)
Any Ideas?
Regards,
JJ Velazquez (DMC enthusiast)
JJCS Corp.
P.S. - I have a free e-mail account that I will be giving away
(delorean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) since I have another one I use more frequently
and
is the one being used for the news.
So If you do not have a De Lorean related e-mail account or would like to
adopt this one, e-mail me directly at dmc-12@xxxxxxx and if you are the
chosen one I will e-mail you directly the password so you can customize
and
forward all incoming e-mail to your account.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:40:28 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rob Grady and Lisa
By now I am sure that Lisa realizes, as we all do, that Rob is one of the
"good guys" in the DeLorean business, as is everyone in his shop. I have
had nothing but good experiences with Rob and Debbie, and no of NO ONE
who ever has had a bad experience with them.
Rob has been instrumental in creating many new and improved DeLorean
products, and always goes out of his way to assist owners in any way he
can.
I can understand Lisa's feelings, but would agree with the the many
DML'ers who suggest that Lisa not be quite so sensitive. I urge Lisa to
reconsider her stance, to eliminate PJ Grady as a source of parts,
service and information based on how he stores some "project" or "parts"
cars is foolhardy.
James Espey
#10570
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:01:41 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Well, I guess we have about run this one into the ground. I suspect we
have made Lisa feel a bit uncomfortable, so I simply want to say to her,
"stay on the list".
Lisa, I can appreciate your passion for the DeLorean, especially as a new
owner. It IS unique. You'll not find a better place to learn about your
new DeLorean than here. You'll also discover that we have a great passion
for and about those who have done much to keep our DeLoreans running - -
and Rob Grady and his crew are right up there at the top of the list.
I hope that the responses to your post will not scare you off.
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867 (a Rob Grady restoration)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:15:10 -0500
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: JZD Mentioned on TLC
To all DML TV viewers,
In a show called "Chrome Dreams" on The Learning Channel last night,
JZD was mentioned and talked about for a good few minutes here and there
about the his GTO & work at Pontiac being the father of the 1st Muscle
Car. It talked about how he found out what the kids wanted and made a
car that would be quite affordable, beating the pants off of almost
everything out on the road at that time, even the stock corvettes. Also
quite amusing was that the Detroit car engineers & execs would often rig
up cars at the factory & go out racing the kids to get their reactions
for future modifications & market research.
I'm sure TLC will be airing that program again sometime in the near
future, keep checking the listings if your interested..
Shannon
VIN# Not Yet!
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:06:17 -0600
From: "Jameel Ahed" <ahed@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: My page..
Dear DML,
When I first got the response to my page, I was very sad.. I felt bad
about what I could have possibly done to Rob's Business.. I was hoping
that
my stupid page wouldn't cause any problems. Thanks to all of you who said
something nice about Rob. He is the only reason why my car still runs
today. From the first dollar to the thousands and thousands of dollars I
spent with him he has remained good to me. I remember one day finding out
both my trans mounts were cracked... I called everywhere for a set..
Supposedly they were discontinued almost the same time the car was... So
from day one they were really rare.. Well, everybody I talked to said
they
didn't have them.. Except Rob, he sold me his only personal pair.. At
that point I didn't care how much they costed, I just didn't want my trans
to fall out! Anyway.. back to my real story.. I felt bad about showing
Rob's shop the way I did, then I realized that, that is how his shop is..
He does damn good work and is very fair when it comes to the price. When
I
was there, I remember him saying, if it wasn't for mail orders he would
have had to close up shop... See, he spends his time working on the cars,
that is why he does such a great job. He can't really charge a ton of
money
even though he worked a ton of hours on the car... That is why he doesn't
work in a palace! If he did, an airfilter would probably cost around
$150!!! Rob and Debbie and the rest of his crew are so nice, he spends
time on the phone with customers diagnosing problems and telling them what
really needs to be purchased and done. I remember dealing with a certain
shop once out there in the west that tried to sell me everything until my
credit card started to melt.. Those guys didn't give a @#$@# about us, or
the car, they just wanted to sell as much as possible before we realize
what
@#$@# they are and go somewhere else.. I don't know.. I did change my
page, but kept Debbies great smile and Rob's great work, but got rid of
some
other pictures..
I wonder what some people think about me.. I drive my car everyday..
I
have put around 25 to 30 thousand in around 2 years now.. I even drove it
in the snow once or twice... It is a car.. I am not wealthy yet... I
can't afford another car right now.. Does that make me a bad DeLorean
owner??? All I know is, everything works, everything is immaculate and
did
I mention EVERYTHING works??? anyway... I love the car, I love the list,
and I especially love the people that keep my dream alive! Thank you
Rob...
Oh and thank you Mr. Espey for this list...
My 2 cents.
Jameel Ahed
www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:43:49 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Zilla?
Check out http://www.pjgrady.com/products.htm
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:17:20 -0800
From: DJ LaForge <dj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Tail Lights
My dad followed me home the other night and said that I had a brake light
out. He said my tail lights were fine, but the left brake light didn't
work. I checked this out today and found that the tail lights were out as
well. I have back up lights and turn signals, but no tail lights and
intermittent brake lights on both sides.
All the bulbs are good.
Help! What's going on?
- -D.J. LaForge
VIN 07135
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:55:02 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
NJP548@xxxxxxx (Nick) wrote:
>
<SNIP Happens>
> And saying that you are never going
> to do business with him doesn't mean anything, i doubt he would even do
> business with you if he read what you said about him, he is too busy
> working
> with loyal customers, this also helps the rest of us for getting our shot
<SNIP Again>
I disagree. Rob is not that kind of guy. I would instead suggest that
Lisa call and speak with Rob. She can then find out for herself what
kind of person he is, how he runs his business, and what he has done for
the Delorean in general.
The fenced and barb-wired storage area you see
(http://cybertechind.com/home/grady13.jpg) is where rob keeps customers
cars that will not fit in his building. I have been to the shop at
least 10 times over the years, and always see different cars in that lot
waiting for either repair or restoration.
Rob does have a few cars that he uses for parts, and with good reason.
Many cars have either been in accidents, or so badly neglected that it
is either cost prohibitive to restore, or just simply UNSAFE. What
should be done with those cars?? I am pretty happy that Rob keeps them
around, because last time I was there Pat was able to repair my brake
caliper by using those "junk cars" for a fraction of what a new one
would cost. When dealing with orphan car such and the Delorean, having
someone keep salvage cars around is essential to keep the rest running!
I have not been to any of the other major Delorean service centers, but
I would bet that they also have a few salvage cars available to them.
raddad@xxxxxxx (Dick) wrote:
<SNIP>
>
> I hope that the responses to your post will not scare you off.
>
<SNIP>
I agree 100%. You should also not be "scared off" from dealing with Rob
Grady.
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Date: 19 Jan 99 21:53:42 America/Fort_Wayne
From: Gabriel Prado <gprado@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [DML: Any De Lorean Kit-Cars Available?]
Are there any De Lorean Fiberglass Kit-Cars?
I subscribe to Kit Car magazine and have for many years, and I have never=
seen
a Delorean kit.
I don't think you will until the price of the car goes higher and fewer m=
odels
are left.
Usually kit manufacturers make kits based on vehicles that are very rare =
or
the cost of the original is much more than the kit (including labor and d=
onor
parts).
Since you can buy a real Delorean for 15K to 20K, it would not make sense=
to
make a kit for it at this time.
And thanks to JZD (and PJ Grady), the real Delorean can be a reliable and=
safe
car to drive. It may not have 90's technology, but it's not exactly outda=
ted.
(i.e. disc brakes)
My two cents,
Gabe
Delorean Enthusiast
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:14:29 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
At 09:35 PM 1/18/99 EST, you wrote:
>Dear Lisa and the DML,
>
> How dare you talk about PJ Grady like that? Have you even talked to
>the
>man? Snip.................
Comment:
OK I can't resist now...........At the risk of sounding snotty....What
ever Lisa's opinions are, and agree with her or not as you may, who cares
what she thinks about PJ. Grady?
Every one who has ever dealt with Rob or any one else at PJ's know full
well what the story is, what he has done in the De Lorean family of
owners.
Big deal a couple of De Loreans sit in a field in the weeds. There are
lots
of De Loreans I am told that look worse and are not only driven but taken
to DMC concourses.
More importantly Lisa is unaware that the photos are part of Rob's effort
to keep the De Lorean DMC-12 price depressed so that us average folk can
afford to buy them. If you look closely you will see that the cars in the
photos are not actually De Loreans at all. They are VW kit cars with fake
plastic Stainless steel colored bodies. Any close examination exposes the
cleaver way that Rob has arranged the garbage and VW-DMC's to elicit the
very responce that erupted from Lisa.
Lisa, Most of us here on the DML have been here for some time, and you
will see very little remotely resembling your post for two reasons, First
Iron James generally censors such messages ( I am surprised yours was
posted) and secondly most of the true dead beats have dropped out. You are
new to both the DMC and the DML, and like you most of us are very jealous
of our DMC's and every thing revolving around it. You have every right to
express your opinion as do we all, so stick by you opinions if you believe
they have merit.
Even I have to admit that Rob using VW-DMC's as yard shills is a bit much
but then he fooled you.
Lee Fumblefinger
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 15:49:48 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] Lisa, Rob, Jameel and everyone else
I'll start by saying the thread is dead. I'll continue by saying that I
apologize for letting down some members of the DeLorean Mailing List for
approving some inflammatory messages, which is out of character for the
DML.
I thought Lisa's perspective on letting DeLoreans seemingly rot for the
world to see was interesting and thoughts others might as well. In my
haste to approve some stacked up messages, I let a few posts through from
some folks I know without carefully reading them, and if anyone was
offended - Lisa, in particular, I apologize. I hope that some of the
DML'ers will also extend an apology to her.
Everyone should always be made to feel welcome on the DeLorean Mailing
List. IMO, there's already one group of pompous, arrogant, windbags in
the DeLorean community, I don't want the DeLorean Mailing List to become
another one.
A female perspective is one we don't often get on the DeLorean Mailing
List - let's not stifle it - or anyone else that has a valid and
insightful thought to share.
James Espey
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:55:45 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Tail Lights
>My dad followed me home the other night and said that I had a brake light
>out. He said my tail lights were fine, but the left brake light didn't
>work. I checked this out today and found that the tail lights were out as
>well. I have back up lights and turn signals, but no tail lights and
>intermittent brake lights on both sides.
>
>All the bulbs are good.
>
>Help! What's going on?
Welcome to the DeLorean! .. PJ Grady sells a replacement circuit board
that won't do what you are experiencing,.. Some people have had success
with
cleaning their board and either soldering or using small machine screws to
clamp the rivets... I personally couldn't afford PJ Grady's replacement,
and had no success with the other technique, so I fabricated my own by
replacing the entire fixture with standard circular tail/reverse/signal
lights. Good luck! Search the DML archives for the specifics on the
do-it-yourself repairs.
- - Dave
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:23:54 -0500
From: Steve <dmc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
> I visited your recent picture site
[...]
I'd just like to say: Let's not all give Lisa such a hard time, rather
instead I'll refer her to the back-issues of the DML. I'm sure there
are some wonderful stories and opinions about Rob Grady and his buisness
there. I *can* understand where Lisa is coming from, I do see where
one could get the impression she has. I gather that Lisa had no prior
knowledge of PJ Grady, and jumped to conclusions.
As soon as I saw Lisa's article, I knew what would be next. I can
also appreciate the spot that posting such and article to the list
would put Mr. Iron Hand Espey in as well. I'm sure he knew the
kind of reaction it would generate, but I commend him on deciding
to post it anyway as inflamation isn't grounds for censorship. I
think this is a good time to once again thank James for taking on
the responsibility and putting in the effort it takes to run this
list, and to reiterate the importance of the back issues. I know
I read most of them before ever posting to the list and they
answered about all of my questions.
This is the part where I relate my PJ Grady experience, those
who don't want to hear it can safely hit delete and move on. I
bought my Delorean in the Niagara falls area, and dropped it off
at PJ Grady immediatly for a complete inspection, because I live
in Florida, and thought that I wouldn't ever be closer. I didn't
set an appointement, because I didn't know for sure whether I'd make
the purchase or not until I arrived to inspect the car myself. As a
result, my car waited quite a long time before my turn came up.
During this time, Rob was moving my car into the garage every night
because he thought it was such good condition. I told him he didn't
have to do that but he did it anyway. When my turn finally came up,
Rob was very patient with all my questions, and let me know exactly
what he was doing over the phone, and got my OK before any major work
was done or costs incurred. Throughout the course of the work on my
car, the customer service I received was way beyond my expectations.
(Especially considering the distance involved)
When the work was completed I had the car shipped to me in Florida,
and have been extremly pleased with all the work Rob did for me so far.
I'm very happy with my experience with Rob Grady, and was pleasantly
surprised by the rates he charged me. (They're better than most
auto shops in my area!) The only two bad parts of my experience with
Rob and PJ Grady were the higher sales tax than my area (you can thank
NY for that though) and that fact that he is so very far away from me,
making it hard for me to bring my Delorean to him for subsequent service.
(Which I hopefully won't need for quite a while anyway)
As far as his shop, when I dropped my Delorean off, I didn't know what
to expect. I suppose that somehwere in the back of my mind I had this
vision of a stark white room with a floor that would even pass the white
glove test. But, not even the warehouse in Columbus looks like that.
His shop looks very well kept IMHO, sure, there's a bunch of stuff in
there, but that's good! As far as where he keeps customers' cars that
are waiting their turn, the only shop I've seen that came close had only
a chain link fence without the razor wire. (That razor wire looks like
evil stuff to try and climb over too.) When I spoke with rob over the
phone he did indicate to me that he had a fenced compound to keep
his customers' cars in. Therefore I suspect that those *were* customers'
cars in there. As for the dumpster, what auto shop do you know of that
never throws anything away?
I hope this article doesn't come accross as preachy. I don't mean to be,
but I hate to see a new owner scorned over a misunderstanding. I also
hope that the thread of negative articles on this subject dies off
rather quickly, as one of the things I like about the DML is it's
generally positive nature.
-Steve <dmc@xxxxxxx>
VIN 17117
TAG NOVO5 55
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:23:43 -0800
From: Alex Krochmal <alexk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Kits
There are many similar kits to the DeLorean. Try looking at
http://members.xoom.com/Gullwings/kit.html I will post addresses and
contacting info later but this will help you take a peek at what there is
to see.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 17:48:33 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Door/fender replacement project
I have posted a few photos (Jameel's experience notwithstanding) of the
repair project after my DeLorean was in an accident this past October.
Before anyone says anything about the mess, it's my garage, and I'm
allowed.
The first shows us (Ace Underhill, fellow DML'er) and me (looking at
camera) swapping the guts from the old door to the new door. The rest of
just shots of the car all taken apart - no door, fender or T-panel. BTW,
the two guys at the rear of the car in one of the photos are Ace
underhill (left) and Chris Rabalais (right). My deepest thanks to those
two guys for all their help on this project, I couldn't have done it
without them!
http://www.dmcnews.com/project.jpg
http://www.dmcnews.com/project1.jpg
http://www.dmcnews.com/project2.jpg
http://www.dmcnews.com/project3.jpg
James Espey
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:24:53 -0700
From: "Dale Schaub" <DaleSchaub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean cemetaries
Lisa,
just say were handsome and intelligent again. Come on guys, we have
nevered
flamed anyone this way before.
dale
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:19:53 -0600
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean cemetaries
Lisa,
I know this line has really been run out but I read my mail late in the
day.
Beside the fact Rob Grady is a really good guy, we should point out that
all
of the DeLorean shops have DeLoreans sitting around in various stages of
repair and they all operate out of smaller shops than the major car
dealers
you may be used to. Considering there are probably less than 6000
DeLorean's
left in the U.S. they obviously can't afford to maintain large facilities
like your local Ford dealer and still be able to offer affordable service.
Unless you want to pay Ferrari prices (like $7000 for a 15000 mile tune
up)
be happy these folks can offer quality service at Ford and Chevy prices
for
a car that's obviously more exotic than those family sedans.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:24:14 -0800
From: Eric Altendorf <altevan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fair price for D1 manuals
What's a fair price for the DeloreanOne manuals set (User Manual, Workshop
Manual, Parts Catalog, Service and Technical Bulletins)? I'm interested
in
picking some up, but want to know what the going rate is so I know if I'm
getting a good deal.
Thanks,
- -e.
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