dmcnews-digest Wednesday, September 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 421
In this issue:
DML: Lost List members
DML: Replacement battery?
DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
DML: Five Point Harness
DML: re: Gas Smell
Re: DML: NCDMC Gatherings
DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: air bags?
Re: DML: air bags?
Re: DML: Replacement battery?
Re: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
DML: Remaining BTTF cars
DML: A/c drain
DML: Angle Drive
DML: Interstate '82
DML: New guy and his D
DML: 5-speed Trans Expert Online?
DML: Re: radio installation
DML: Re: Replacement battery?
Re: DML: Replacement battery?
DML: Buyer's Point of View
Re: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: A/c drain
DML: Re: A/c drain
DML: Re: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: New guy and his D
Re: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
Re: DML: radio installation
DML: Replacement for A/C mode control switch
Re: DML: Angle Drive
Re: DML: New guy and his D
Re: DML: Re: A/c drain
DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
DML: "Leather Interior" and Tips for DeLorean Buyers
DML: Re: Buyer's Point of View
Re: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
Re: DML: New Owner
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:10:23 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lost List members
I need a bit of help!
This September's Limited edition up-date generated a few undeliverable
e-mails. Please check to see if you are one of them, or if you know any
of the people on the list below.
If you see your e-mail address listed please contact me at either of the
following e-mail address:
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx or
lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
or if you know some one on the list below please contact them and ask
that they contact me ASAP.
- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
1. <<LukeJedi2@xxxxxxx>550 <<LukeJedi2@xxxxxxx>... User unknown
2. <<EdwSinger@xxxxxxx>554 <<EdwSinger@xxxxxxx>... Service unavailable
3. <<martin.gutkowski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx User has moved;
please try <<martin.gutkowski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Action: failed >
4. <<bkidd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> User not known
5. <<jjkyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> User unknown
6. <<zaphod@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>... Host unknown (Name server:
ponyexpress.net: host not found)
7. <<jritz@xxxxxxxxxx>... User unknown
Thanks for the Help
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:41:10 -0400
From: medic-1@xxxxxxxx (A Johnson)
Subject: DML: Replacement battery?
I had an INTERSTATE battery in my DMC until the other day, I left my
parking lights on the other night for over 18HRS by mistake while, on a
trip (at night, I went to the motel & forgot). I contacted INTERSTATE
because the battery came with a roadside plan, I got the run-around for
2HRS before I called them back for a 4th time & was told "your out of
luck, we don't have anyone in that area". Well I'm not happy with
INTERSTATE and have 2 batteries linked together that have no labels
(local gas station in BFE Utah), only $20.xx installed & a jump!. What
batteries are other people using? I can't find anyone that can cross a
INTERSTATE battery.
Let me know what you use, & if you are happy.
Thanks
AJ
VIN: RECOVERED (still unknown; but did find a yellow sticker in the R
tail light that has 234 on it)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:50:59 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
John Pietrowski
> I am looking for a used/new louvre for the rear hatchback. Mine
> has a few cracks that are too expensive to repair.
You did not describe the type of damage your louvre has sustained, but I
know Dave Bauerle has a method of repairing them that makes them
stronger than they originally were. You might want to give him a call to
see if his process could help you, otherwise you will just end up with a
replacement louvre that is as failure prone as the original.
Bauerle Automotive Inc.
Radnor, Ohio 43066
Phone: (740) 595-3348
BTW I think these are usually called "sunshade louvres."
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:04:59 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Five Point Harness
Lee Seiler said:
> I decided I was not happy with the seat belt arrangement and
> removed the originals in favor of a "5 point padded harness system"
> just like the sort you see in race cars and aerobatic aircraft.
The first week I owned my car one of my friends who races SCCA took
it for a spin. The moment he looked through that open gullwing door he
said: "Wow, Mike! This car would look *great* with a 5 point harness!"
I have kept that in the back of my mind for a long time. How does a
DeLorean look with a 5 point?
Lee, I would love to see some pictures and maybe a short writeup of
your experience with a five point harness. Any chance you might write
something up for the DMC News 'zine or maybe DeLorean World?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:19:46 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Gas Smell
JimmyC smells gas when he fills his tank:
> When I fill up the tank, and drive home, I smell gas all around. It
> seems like a little bit of gas is leaking from the tank, but when I
> check under car, I don't see anything. After a little while of driving
> around, the smell goes away.
Steve Brodsky pointed out that it is probably leaking from either the seal
around the fuel pump or the filler tube. Marv Sterling pointed out that
the
owners manual says to NEVER to off the tank.
My two cents: the pumps at today's gas stations are different from the
ones when DeLorean were made. They can top off your car whether
you want it or not, so it is best to be prepared by sealing your tank as
well as you can.
Also, the original fuel guage sensing unit is poorly designed and
constructed, creating a third place where fuel could leak when the tank
is full.
My advice: remove the carpet at the bottom of your luggage
compartment, your spare tire, and the panel between the spare tire and
the fuel tank (very easy to do). Grab a flashlight & screwdriver and
drive to your neighborhood filling station. Fill up, allowing the pump
nozzle to fill your tank to the level it decides is adequate. Then
inspect
the top of the fuel pump seal, fuel guage sensor, and filler tube very
carefully.
You should be able to see the place where the fuel is leaking. My hunch
is that it is the fuel pump seal, which needs to be tightened
periodically.
A half turn with the screwdriver might cure this problem for you.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:55:07 -0800
From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: NCDMC Gatherings
Hi Ian
> Where are you fellas meeting exactly on 18Oct98?
It's kinda hard to explain if you don't know the area. The Danville area
is on Hwy. 680 south of Walnut Creek and east Of San Francisco. I'll post
more detailed instructions to the DML closer to the time of the event. If
we keep getting replies at this rate, we're going to have a pretty good
sized group! The Blackhawk museum will be a great setting for our cars
and
they may still have the DMC prototype #2 car there (still checking on
that). So I hope you can make it.
> I bought a DMC in LA at Easter and am coming back in October to drive
> her over to Baltimore to ship home to N.Ireland. I will probably drive
> up to SanFransisco that weekend (a tester for the DMC before 3500miles
> W to E!) to get some photos I need for a Government Study I'm doing here
> in Hong Kong. It would be good to meet up with some like minded people!
I've been following your thread on the DML. What a way to get a car and
get it home! Good Luck!
Ken
- --------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME'
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx Operating Systems Analyst
W(916) 278-7646 H(916) 944-3252
Please visit my website at:
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:41:12 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
I am still looking for a way to improve the current turbo setup that is
on my car, and many of our cars.
I was looking through a old issue of Delorean World (Vol #2, Summer 84)
and there is a short article titled "Parr Car Stars".
The picture of the engine bay in the car has a twin turbo set up that is
more like the Legend setup, where the boost from the turbo is forced in
to the intake where the stock air cleaner box goes.
My main interest in this setup is the small part that goes on the
intake. It looks like a black (metal? Plastic?) round insert that you
can attach 2 round (2.5 or 3 inch??) hoses too. I would like to use a
part like this to pipe cold air directly in to the intake. Does anyone
know if this is a custom part? or is it borrowed? Anyone know how to
contact Mr. Parr?
Also in the same magazine, there is a add for "DMC Only, Ward machine
Products". The company is still in business, but they no longer deal
with DMC items (Harry said he had a few headlight covers, spoilers, and
wheel spacers left). He also used to sell a turbo kit, it was a single
turbo kit but it worked the same way. Looking at the picture, there is
a black plastic cap over the intake, with a single hose connection.
According to Harry, this part was borrowed from "Some Volkswagen", he
does not remember anything else about the source.. Any Volkswagen
experts out there?! Id like to find this part as a alternate if I
cannot locate the one used by Mr. Parr.
Thanks,
Marc
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:25:00 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: air bags?
A better question is WHY?!
Tell the girls parents to do some research, and see how little airbags
do! It was a great idea, but even some insurance companies are now
rethinking if they are worth the cost or not.
What I have read indicates that injuries in low speed accidents
increases with the air bag because its deployment to so powerful and
fast. Not to mention the expense of replacing it because of a 10 MPH
"Fender bender" (Not that there is such a thing in a Delorean!)
I would not trust a after market airbag to work, and would be more
afraid that it would deploy under non accident conditions.
I have a article (July 1981, Popular Science) that talks about the
safety features of the car. I am sure you can find other similar
articles.
Strange things have happened in the past 10-15 years with cars, and the
statistics can be used to prove anything you want them to. Seat belt
laws, drunk driver laws, and better driver education have resulted in
less accidents and fatal accidents (in general, based on percentages of
cars on the road). Advocates of air bags will use the statistics to
prove than airbags save lives, well I am sure they do in a very limited
number of cases.
IMHO, if you wear your seat belt, you are better of WITHOUT the air
bag. I was in a accident a few years ago in my 1989 Beretta (no air
bag). I was moving about 45 MPH, and slammed in to a truck that ran a
red light (he was going about 70). The car was trashed, but I walked
away with a small bruise on my arm (where it hit the steering wheel),
and a cut on my finger from flying glass. I also injured my knee
because the dashboard fell on it. If this exact same accident happened
WITH a airbag, I would have ALSO suffered a broken nose at best, the
violent way the airbags deploy would have most likely caused me neck and
back problems.
My suggestion: Have her parents buy the car, find out that it CANT be
done, and then give the car to me! I'd like another car to tinker with
:)
illyana delorean wrote:
>
> hi all. i am being forced by a friend of my brothers to ask this
> question to the list:
>
> is there any way that airbags can be installed in a delorean?
>
> yah, i didnt think so. anyway, this girl's parents wont buy her a D
> because they dont have airbags, but if they can get them installed,
> then she can get one for her frickin 16th birthday! i wish i was so
> lucky!
>
> please tell me it cant be done so i dont have some stupid high
> schooler to be jealous of! thanks!
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:19:37 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: air bags?
In a message dated 9/27/98 7:42:22 PM GMT, Illyana wrote:
<< is there any way that airbags can be installed in a delorean? >>
In March of 1981, Fitzpatrick Engineering was awarded a contract by the
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in Washington to
use a
"system analysis approach" to integrate air bag restraint systems into a
"production ready, small car".
The vehicle chosen by NHTSA for this program was the DeLorean sports car!
Part of the main task in the contract was to direct the test contractor,
Dynamic Science, on the integration and installation of the air bag into
the
DeLorean.
The final report (Contract No. DTNH22-81-C-07330) was published in
November
1981 prepared by Fitzpatrick Engineering, Route 5, Box 495A, Warsaw, IN
46580.
Or you could try the US Department of Transportation NHTSA, Washington
D.C.
20590.
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Belfast
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:38 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Replacement battery?
I have an Optima battery in my D. When it comes to batteries I believe
that it pays to get the very best possible.
Incidentally, Rob Grady also recommends the Optima.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:40:26 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
Almost all louver cracks are in the center struts and come from the
flexing
action when opening and closing. Teri Jennings sold (perhaps still does)
a
metal brace that fits on the underside of the louver. After having two
louvers break on me early on, I got the brace and have never have another
problem.
The brace may cost you a point if you are concours oriented, but otherwise
it is undetectable.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Duncan Ermini-Leaf <spacerobot@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
What's happened to the BTTF cars. Are they still owned by the studio
or are they owned privately now?
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:50:13 -0400
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: A/c drain
How do you know when it is supposed to drain? I've left it running with
the A/C on MAX setting and I see No water draining. Does it build
up in a tank then drain?
Worried
Michael Pack
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:06:32 -0500
From: "Jeff Wiltzius" <wiltzius@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Angle Drive
Hello all,
I've not posted a question here before but have been listening attentively
for about the last 2 months. I recently bought my DeLorean August 1st- so
I'm pretty new to all of this. I've been researching and reading DeLorean
material for the last 4 months so I'm familiar with the car and the man-
but
I'm far from a mechanical wizard. Keeping that in mind- please bear with
me!
One of the problems with my D going in is that the previous owner had been
fighting with the speedometer/odometer for the last few years. He had
given
up and resigned himself to simply driving by watching the tach. I told him
if I was going to buy it, I wanted the speedo working for my drive home
(from the Washington D.C. area to Wisconsin). Well- true to his word he
bought a new dust cover and it worked....sort of. I got through half of
Ohio
when it started raining. The speedo took a couple jumps and died. (Not
sure
it really had anything to do with the rain though). Anyway, I brought it
to
my mechanic in Wisconsin. He's worked on DeLorean's before and actually
has
about 8 others in his customer base so I was confident he could help me
take
care of my new prize (and hopefully get to the bottom of the speedometer
problems). After looking the car over he found many problems (most
electrical which I was not suprised about) and thought he had found the
answer to my speedo problem - my lambda box was ground out and supposedly
not spinning the cable connected to the needle. He ordered a new one to
the
tune of about $125 and of course- the speedo worked for a few miles and
then
stopped again. He then took the angle drive out and examined it and found
that the gears were extremely worn- no problem, said he knew a place that
remanufactures them and should only cost another $100 or so. Well now
(after
about 6 weeks) he said they are no longer remanufacturing them and I'd
probably have to order a new one (about $200 for the parts not including
labor to install).
After that long story- here's my question. How have people handled
replacing
angle drives? I know it's a really bad design and I want to know what my
options are as far as getting a speedometer that is going to work. Help me
out- I beg you. I'm open to suggestions but keep in mind that I know
little
about automobiles. Also- is $200 for an angle drive (new) sound about
right?
I appreciate ideas/suggestions and thank you in advance for replys,
Sincerely,
Jeff Wiltzius
VIN=6145 (I think but I'll check to make sure when I get home)
- ------------------
Jeff Wiltzius
DoIT HelpDesk
UW Madison
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:56:36 -0700
From: Todd Saylor <Todd.Saylor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Interstate '82
No doubt many of you have heard that the forthcoming "Interstate 82" game
from Activision will feature a DeLorean as one of the cars in the game
(which is set in some post-apocalyptic, vigilante 1980's environment).
Well, Activision has released a trailer for this game, and it features our
favorite car. The 13.7 meg file runs about a minute, and is currently
available as:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/3dfiles/movies/i82intro.avi
Warning - the clip doesn't end so well for the 'D'.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:40:03 PDT
From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New guy and his D
Hey, I'm new to the mailing list and it's my first one so if I do
anything wrong someone please give me a yell! We own an early model '81
DeLorean (VIN#1428 May, 81), the original owner added twin turbos and
lowered it 21/2". Can someone help me out with the story of the turbos?
The original owner says there are believed to be less than 100 Ds with
the turbos and he claims they were the turbos drawn up for the '84 model
that never was. We never actually met the original owner, but he did
write us a detailed description of the car's history. He claims our car
had the turbos installed and was lowered in '83. He said something about
53 cars were used for the original tooling and our car was #12. Does
anyone know anything about this? Also, don't forget to check out my
DeLorean website! I have some really great recent pictures of our DMC-12
as well as some pretty reliable specs. Here's the address:
http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html The address is case
sensitive, meaning all capital letters count, which, in an even simpler
form means that if you don't type it EXACTLY as shown, you'll just get
an error message. Thanks!
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:03:03 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 5-speed Trans Expert Online?
This winter's project seems to be shaping up as a clutch and transmission
job, in addition to installing Marty's stainless brake lines and cleaning
up the rear of the frame. My 5-speed trans has a couple of quirks, i.e.
shifing into 3rd is kind of crunchy when warm (IT'S NOT THE CLUTCH LINE),
and in 3rd and 4th the shifter rocks noticeably as I get on and off the
gas. First, Second, and Fifth are just fine. I've opened up the back end
to be sure that the shaft retaining nuts are where they belong,
everything looks OK so far.
Since I want to replace the clutch and rear main seal anyway (clutch
still works, but very stiff and starting to get grabby), I plan to open
up the trans and see if I can find anything wrong. I suspect the 3rd gear
synchro, and something to do with the 3/4 shift rod mechanism, perhaps
the roll pin or detent ball.
Anyone out there with some experince disassembling, or more important,
reassembling, one of these? I have a reasonable level of mechanical
ability (engine rebuilds, clutch changes, Delorean window motors.....).
Is there a chance of doing this without leaving small parts all over my
garage? I figure I don't have much to lose, if I screw it up it does not
seem hard (only expensive) to find a used one. Is Jim Landry (of
reversed-ring-gear fame, ref DML 10/20/95) still on the list? Maybe the
guy who rebuilds transmissions with his teeth?
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:58 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: radio installation
De,
Sorry to say I have been unable to locate my radio wiring diagram. There
was never a factory drawing for the radio connector, several years ago I
created my own but have misplaced it. As a suggestion, the use of a 12
volt
tester should help you to determine which wires are power and which are
for
speakers.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:39:31 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Replacement battery?
NO SUBSTUITE NECESSARY,
Your DeLorean will accept any 12 volt auto battery that will fit in it's
compartment. As with all batteries price will dictate quality plus the
more
cranking amps the better.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:18:45 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Replacement battery?
AJ,
Get rid of the Interstate Battery, I had several of them in another cars
that
I owned. They are mediocre. Nothing spectacular as far as performance.
Forget the "plans" that are offered, it is just as a sales pitch to get
you to
buy. As they said: "buy now, when it dies later, you will know the
polices of
the plan". What a time to find out. You found out.
If you want a good battery on today's technology and is one of the best
ANY
money can buy, get yourself an OPTIMA BATTERY (RED LABEL--standard
application
or YELLOW LABEL--deep cycle, BLUE LABEL is for marine use).
Check their site: www.optimabatteries.com
They are the best I have seen and used! They are not cheap, but they are
not
expensive for what they are and what they can do in their performance as
promise. It delivers!
I used to be in the automotive retail and wholesale business and have
sold and
not marketed many different brands of batteries. Optima Batteries beats
them
all, and I have used the best in the past.
I have one of them in my DeLorean for the last six months. It is a great
battery!
Power, power, power...................Can't beat it!
I am planning to change all my other vehicles to Optima Batteries.
If you find another better brand let me know.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D NY
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:20:37 EDT
From: eurojet@xxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Buyer's Point of View
I have been seriously looking for a DeLorean to buy and have had some
bad luck with answering ads. A dealer here in town advertised one with
"leather interior". Upon closer inspection I discovered that it was
vinyl! His reply was "Yeah, but it's a good match". He also refused to
give me the sellers number (the car was on consigment) so there was no
history on the car. Needless to say, I ran, not walked to the door and
never looked back. Other sellers have had their cars advertised for weeks
on the net but refuse to return phone calls or E-mail. They could at
least have the courtesy to reply and let me know if the car has been
sold. Maybe it's a hobby to see how many bites they get and they have no
intention of selling their cars. On the other hand I had one guy mail me
10 photos of his car and I will be flying up in a few days to see it and
with any luck drive it home. I was beginning to think that D owners were
a special breed that I didn't want to be associated with, but since I
discovered the DML I realize that there are only a few bad apples out
there. Now my questions: When I check out this car for sale how do I go
about inspecting the angle drive and what should I look for? Do lots of
DeLoreans have altered mileage? How about a list of questions to ask the
current owner? Thanks for your advice and encouragement! Phil.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:33:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Pat Parr was/is an engineer type who was very active in the early DMC
years. I believe he still does some work in conjunction with Don Steger
at
DeLorean Motor Center.
Keep me/us posted on what you discover because, as you know, all of us
twin
users would like to modify the air intake situation.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:34:52 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: A/c drain
Micheal,
Let the A/C runs for just 10 to 15 min at MAX and you then set it at VENT
or
HEAT and wait about one to two minutes, you will see water dripping
underneath
your car at the passenger side front wheel area. The water dripping is
from
the A/C evaporator being defrosted. If there is no water dripping you may
have a clogged drain and all the water is in the evaporator's chamber.
Check
it out, otherwise your paasenger's side will be wet.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:41:49 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: A/c drain
Michael,
The location of the A/C water drain causes water to drip around the fuel
tank than onto the fuel tank protection plate, water that does not
evaporate up to that point will eventually make it to the ground. Only
high heat and humidity will cause water to make it to the ground. If the
hose is clogged water will drain back into the passenger foot well.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:13:27 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Marc,
Don Steger at the DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, Calif. has worked
with Pat Parr on many DeLorean projects. Pat was the first technical
advisor for the DOA and like many after him, left the organization. I
think
he still has his car and perhaps Don can put you in touch with him.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:09:03 -0700
From: Paul Gress <pgress@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New guy and his D
The Turbo's used are IHI RHB52's. This was the original turbo's to be
used
in the 84 model year. The company doing the turbo reasearch and
installation was Legend Industries located in L.I. New York. The company
went out of buisness around 1983. The twin turbo kits, had only in common
the turbos itself (manufactured by L.I. Manifold Co., in NY also). The
twin
turbo kit that was manufactured by Delorean One was a copy of the Legend
turbo kit. The IHI RHB52 turbo's by the way were used in a Maserati
Bi-Turbo car produced around the same time. The black part above the mass
air sensor is a cast aluminum housing. PJ Grady has some Legend parts and
probably can offer more info as to the details of the twin turbo kit and
original Lengend turbos.
BTW- The single turbo kit put out is a copy of another legend kit to
retro-fit for the 1983 model year to boost the cars performance a year
sooner.
Paul Gress
Adam Michael wrote:
> Hey, I'm new to the mailing list and it's my first one so if I do
> anything wrong someone please give me a yell! We own an early model '81
> DeLorean (VIN#1428 May, 81), the original owner added twin turbos and
> lowered it 21/2". Can someone help me out with the story of the turbos?
> The original owner says there are believed to be less than 100 Ds with
> the turbos and he claims they were the turbos drawn up for the '84 model
> that never was. We never actually met the original owner, but he did
> write us a detailed description of the car's history. He claims our car
> had the turbos installed and was lowered in '83. He said something about
> 53 cars were used for the original tooling and our car was #12. Does
> anyone know anything about this? Also, don't forget to check out my
> DeLorean website! I have some really great recent pictures of our DMC-12
> as well as some pretty reliable specs. Here's the address:
> http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html The address is case
> sensitive, meaning all capital letters count, which, in an even simpler
> form means that if you don't type it EXACTLY as shown, you'll just get
> an error message. Thanks!
>
> Adam Michael, VIN#1428
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:26:05 -0500
From: bttfdmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
Universal Studios still own the DeLoreans. There are couple on the
Florida lot and a some still over at the Hollywood backlot.
Spielberg has got one parked in the back of his office at Amblin
Entertainment, as so does director Robert Zemeckis.
At one point in time a few years ago, Universal Studios Hollywood
had a contest. You either won a BTTF DeLorean or $10,000 in cash.
This girl won, and she took the money instead.
If you're looking for a BTTF DeLorean, there's a company north
of Los Angeles that does up movie cars. Can't remember the name
at the moment, but he will take a stock DMC and mock it up to
look like a BTTF DMC. He has got Kevin Pike's original plans
I believe, plus parts. Look in DuPont registry, he sometimes
advertises in there.
At 01:12 PM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>What's happened to the BTTF cars. Are they still owned by the studio
>or are they owned privately now?
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:27:18 EDT
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: radio installation
de miller,
when i replaced the radio in my car the colors were noted on the top of my
stock unit. email me direct if you want me to pull it from the attic.
james
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:36:52 -0700
From: SweatyEddy <swetyedy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Replacement for A/C mode control switch
I have seen a few postings here and there regarding the A/C mode control
switch. When my first one wore out I contacted one of the Delorean
service places (whom I have a very high regard for and they don't ask me
my vin number every time I call )....anyway... I was told the mode
switches were no longer available and I could send my old one in to be
rebuilt. This is probably sound advice but for those of you who have a
Delorean like mine, (held together with duct tape, sporting at least 4
different vin numbers and God forbid it's painted to), I did find the
identical switch in the junk yard, yes the junk yard, not auto recycler
etc. The switch can be found in a mid-80's Pontiac LeMans, I'm not
positive of the exact year maybe someone out there can clarify that but
I have 4 or 5 of them in my spare parts bin. It is the same
manufacturer, same configuration, same electrical connection, same
vacuum connections, it's the same switch. Works fine. Maybe this no
revelation but I hope someone can benefit from this. -Sweaty Eddy
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:33:08 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Angle Drive
This topic has been covered many times on the DML.
You can order rebuilt angle drives from any of the Delorean service
centers. Check out http://www.pjgrady.com/speedometer.htm and you will
find all you need, if not more.
For more details, Your best bet is to search the archives.. I don't
even try to remember everything!
Jeff Wiltzius wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
<Speedo angle drive story SNIP>
>
> I appreciate ideas/suggestions and thank you in advance for replys,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Wiltzius
> VIN=6145 (I think but I'll check to make sure when I get home)
>
> ------------------
> Jeff Wiltzius
> DoIT HelpDesk
> UW Madison
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:38:48 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New guy and his D
The Legend turbo system had a large manifold on top of the MAF, than
attached to the turbos that were directly below it. Most of the "Turbo
Kits" have the turbo's located more towards the back of the car.
Do you have a picture of the Delorean One kit? I'd like to see the
"black part" you are talking about.
Thanks,
Marc
Paul Gress wrote:
>
<SNIP>
> turbo kit that was manufactured by Delorean One was a copy of the Legend
> turbo kit. The IHI RHB52 turbo's by the way were used in a Maserati
> Bi-Turbo car produced around the same time. The black part above the mass
> air sensor is a cast aluminum housing. PJ Grady has some Legend parts and
<SNIP>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:01:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: A/c drain
Michael
One final thought re the air conditioner draining water: Remember you now
live in Colorado! It takes a pretty hot day combined with a fair amount
of
hunidity (and a pretty long run with the iar on) to create enough "frost"
to, in turn, cause a water drip after you have parked and shut off the
engine. The combination of high heat and humidity is a pretty rare
accurence here in Broncoland.
See, there are some offsets to our high insurance costs.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:28:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
ONly a few weeks before the show, I did not know there was a
real Delorean car. I thought it was made up for the BTTF movies.
What a surprise to find an ad on the web advertising the
Cincinnati show. I found it in one local paper in such small
print, you could easily not see it. There was also no local
tv coverage. I couldn't believe it, thought there were some
people on the roof of the museum, I guess they were from
some cable company, so if they are putting this on cable,
I wonder when?
I also think they would have doen better by having larger
signs inside the museum. When I first saw the sign, I thought it
was for members only. But I did see someone bring in a whole
load of T-shirts. I asked several Delorean owners if we could
buy a T-shirt and they all said no, but we went in anyway.
I would like to say all the Deloreans were very impressive
though we have never ridden in one, at least some kind sould
let us sit in one. Thank you to whoever it was if you are
on this list.
WE also would like to thank the first Delorean people we
met, don't know who you are, but you are at
http://w3.one.net/~arazi.delorean.html. I am sorry the photos
came out so bad. WE would also like to contact the people
from New Jersey who were selling the BTTF spinning car.
Although there are supposed to be many people in Cincinnati
with Deloreans, we did not see them.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:54:10 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: "Leather Interior" and Tips for DeLorean Buyers
Phil said:
> A dealer here in town advertised one with "leather interior".
> Upon closer inspection I discovered that it was vinyl! His
> reply was "Yeah, but it's a good match".
Every DeLorean left the factory with leather seats, but vinyl everywhere
else. If you do find a car with a leather dashboard & center consol you
may rest assured it is not original.
> When I check out this car for sale how do I go about inspecting
> the angle drive and what should I look for?
Drive the car. If the speedometer works then the angle drive works. It
is
probably not worth the trouble to look inside the angle drive.
> Do lots of DeLoreans have altered mileage?
I do know of several DeLoreans, including my own, with altered mileage
due to poor angle drive maintenance. My mileage is pretty close,
however, as I replaced the angle drive soon after it failed.
> How about a list of questions to ask the current owner?
This has come up many times on the DML. A lengthy discussion of this
took place in the early days. See especially the backissue dated
Tuesday, 17 December 1996. Also search the backissues (the new
search engine is very powerful) for any particular problem that has you
worried.
The DeLorean Club of Oregon has this page at the DMC News website:
http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/care.htm
The DeLorean Owners Association has a page of "DeLorean Purchase
Guidelines" at their website. Go to:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/
Good luck!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:17:32 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Buyer's Point of View
Phil,
It's not that DeLoreans have altered mileage numbers it's the fact that
because of angle drive failures many cars have less miles on the odometer
than are actually on the car. If you would like more details on what to
check out on a DeLorean call me directly at 770 631-4800. I also have a
couple of clients who's DeLoreans are for sale if your interested.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:58:13 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
Gary Massie (Not sure of the spelling) had the BTTF spinning toy car on
display. This toy was made for the animated BTTF series. I am not sure
if Gary sells it, but you can purchase one from http://www.bttf.com/
(No, I don't work for them, but I have purchased from them with no
problems!)
You have the first picture I have seen on the net of the car with all
the interesting metal (aluminum?) extras. Anyone know who owns it?
http://w3.one.net/~arazi/DELO4.jpg
Cheryl Classick wrote:
<SNIP>
> WE would also like to contact the people
> from New Jersey who were selling the BTTF spinning car.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:59:11 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New Owner
Before I would plunk down $16,000.00 I would pay to have someone from
Delorean One or otherwise look over it carefully.
Thomas Bohmier
Dallas
World Traveller wrote:
> Assuming that I buy and drive home my new DeLorean in two weeks what do
> you experienced owners recommend I DON'T do once I get it home? Is there
> such a book as "DeLorean Ownership For Dummies"? I'm used to buying a
> used car and the first thing that I do is wash and wax it MY way. This
> is part of the "bonding" process. Don't worry, I've read enough to know
> not to wax my new D but what else should I avoid besides steel wool and
> sandpaper? I will take it up to Garden Grove to have the guys check it
> out and tell me if I got screwed on the deal or did okay. Honesty counts
> and sometimes hurts but "it's only money", right? I just hope that I can
> enjoy it for the first year without any major breakdowns and then decide
> if I want to keep it or take a loss and sell it to another dreamer. By
> the way, the seller is letting me "have it" for 16K which I think is a
> fair price, not too much and not too little. Any replies would be
> appreciated! Oh yeah, I CAN NOT find a mechanic here in San Diego that
> will work on a DeLorean!! One claims that parts aren't available (BS)
> and the other are too afraid. What can I tell them to convince them that
> it is "just" a car, not a Rolls or Lamborghini! Also, my insurance agent
> told me that it is a "custom made" car. I thought that it was a regular
> production model not custom! He gave me a good quote anyway... Thanks
> for any and all advice. Phil.
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