dmcnews-digest Wednesday, December 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 454
In this issue:
DML: The 1997 D owner is:
DML: Braided Brake Lines
DML: Re: Headliners
Re: DML: Headliners
DML: Re: OVERHEATING!
Re: DML: LUG NUTS WON'T BUDGE
Re: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
DML: Re: Headliners
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Re: DML: Braided Brake Lines
DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
DML: Re: Cooling system
Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
DML: DeLorean Necktie
DML: Trailing Arm repair
Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
DML: Arizona Delorean Club - Report
[none]
Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
DML: Quick question
DML: Trailing arm
DML: DMC Headliner
Re: DML: Braided Brake Lines
DML: D for sale.
DML: Torsion Bar malfunction
DML: New Member
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
DML: THERMOSTAT REMOVAL & FAN SWITCH
DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
DML: Re: Torsion Bar malfunction
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
DML: Sad note
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:57:39 -0600
From: Robert Kerman <rkerman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: The 1997 D owner is:
Robert Brandys
Hinsdale, IL
(A posing was asking for the owner of the 1998 D Back to Future car, and
it is possible he was really wanting the 1997 of the same).
Submitted by Robert Kerman, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:56:01 EST
From: WINGD2@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Braided Brake Lines
Well, the last batch of SS braided brake line kits for the Delorean have
arrived. I've ended up with 2 extra sets. If anyone is interested
please e-
mail me.
Thanks, Marty
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:23:32 -0800
From: "SweatyEddy" <swetyedy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Headliners
I replaced my headliner five years ago and it still looks fine. I picked
up
the replacement material at the local fabric store. It is padded, matches
the original gray and cost me about $25 to do the whole job. -SweatyEddy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 8:12 AM
Subject: DML: Headliners
>Does anyone know of a replacement headliner material that won't come apart
>after a few years. My car had the liners replaced by the previous owner
>only 2 years ago and they look awful now.
>
>Tom
>#5732
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:29:38 -0500
From: Paul Gress <pgress@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Headliners
PJ Grady has replacements with a fiberglass skeleton. Has less problem
with
absorbing moisture so the bonding lasts longer. It looks perfectly stock.
Paul Gress
vin # 10193
"Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx" wrote:
> Does anyone know of a replacement headliner material that won't come apart
> after a few years. My car had the liners replaced by the previous owner
> only 2 years ago and they look awful now.
>
> Tom
> #5732
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:25:18 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: OVERHEATING!
Rich,
Most of the list members have mentioned trapped air in the cooling system,
this is the number one cause of over heating. It is very unlikely that
there is a water pump temperature gauge or thermostat malfunction.
Someone
else suggested to tighten the head bolts, DO NOT TIGHTEN THE HEAD BOLTS.
If
you are unsuccessful in correcting the problem contact us directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:48:34 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: LUG NUTS WON'T BUDGE
Mike,
We have encountered many lug nuts installed with 130 psi air guns and have
always been able to remove them without any damage. Make sure the tires
are
in full contact with the ground, get out your breaker bar add a length of
plumbing pipe, I use a 4' length, and go for it. When reinstalling 60 ft.
lb. is spec.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:47:06 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
Albert,
The first company formed to develop and manufacture the DMC-12 on October
24, 1975 was the DeLorean Motor Company. There were many other names
created for lots of corporate and tax reasons, among them were DeLorean
Manufacturing Co, DeLorean Sports Car Partnership, Composite Technology
Corp., DeLorean Motors Limited, DeLorean Research Limited Partnership,
DeLorean Motor Cars of America, and DeLorean Motors Holding Co. All of
these names were in one way or another part of the DeLorean Motor Company.
Hope this clears up the confusion.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> From: Albert Siegel <siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
> Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 3:43 AM
> I thought DMC was "DeLorean Motor Cars, Ltd", Not DeLorean Motor
> Company.
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:26:50 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Headliners
Tom,
We sub out our headliner work and have found that the foam backing on all
headliner materiel has a usable life of 5 to 8 years. Exposure to extreme
heat and humidity will shorten the life of the material. If the core
material that the headliner is attached to is not cleaned completely or an
inferior adhesive is used you will wind up with premature failure. It
sounds as if your awful looking headliners may be due to an awful
installation.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:31:45 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Claude,
One BIG problem with retrofitting the Volvo B 28F is that when it is
installed in the DeLorean many items that are right side become left sided
and left sided become right sided. Remember the Volvo version is front
engine rear drive and the DeLorean is rear engine rear drive. It sounds
strange but if you check
the Volvo manuals and look at the Volvo set up there are distinct
differences between the two. There are also deference's in the rear end
mountings that will not allow the Volvo version to accept the DeLorean
auto
and 5 speed bellhousings and as you had mentioned, the lower casing (oil
pan
mounting) in the Volvo will prevent it from fitting in the DeLorean frame.
Besides why would you want to go through all that hassle when there are
plenty of complete DeLorean PRV virgin engines sitting in the warehouse in
Columbus.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:34 -0700
From: mike atkinson <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Braided Brake Lines
WINGD2@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Well, the last batch of SS braided brake line kits for the Delorean have
> arrived. I've ended up with 2 extra sets. If anyone is interested
> please e-
> mail me.
> Thanks, Marty
Hi Marty,
Sorry, But I'm a little new to this. What do the brake lines cost. We
just
got our DeLorean in Oct. and I've been busy trying to do a few fix and
repair jobs on it. I've heard of the SS brake lines but don't know much
else. I would be interested in them however.
Thanks
Mike Atkinson
mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:55:29 +0100
From: "Pierre ZWILLING" <p.zwilling@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
Hi you all lucky Vin's owners !
As I see on the list some issues about the use of the V6 PRV in other =
cars than the DeLorean, let me share you all my listing of all V6 PRV =
stock mounts.
Cars :
Peugeot 504/604/505/605
Renault R30/R25/R25 Turbo/Espace Mk I&II/Safrane
(Note that the new Espace III '98 24 Valves V6 engine is no more a =
PRV...)
Volvo 260/262/760/780
Alpine A310/GT-V6/GT-Turbo/A610
Citro=EBn XM
Dodge Monaco
Eagle Premier
Lanci Thema
Venturi Bi-turbo
Bike (yes-bike) :
Guedon V6
p.zwilling@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:24:01 +1100
From: "R. Haslewood" <delorean@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Cooling system
>First question is where did the coolant go? You need to check for leaks,
>etc. I bought a cooling system pressure tester (a hand pump and
>pressure gauge that fits the coolant bottle neck) at a local parts house.
>The system should hold 15 psi for 15 minutes. While the system is
>cool and under pressure, you should be able to spot any external leaks.
Dad ran water from the garden hose through the system to clean it out
(that's nothing damaging is it?), so the coolant didn't leak out, but
rather
forced out by the water. That's also when we realised how much filthy muck
was in the system.
(SNIP)
Thanks for the info. After we bleed the system and re-fill it with the
water/anti-freeze we're going to take the car for a short drive, then see
how it fairs. On the way home from Sydney, the temp. stayed rougly around
the 160 mark (according to the gauge), so I don't think there's a problem
with overheating on the car.
R. Haslewood,
Sydney Australia
http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:18:01 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
With all of the information on PRV engines, and other uses, I am
surprised someone has not tried to swap parts to improve the DMC
performance.
Can we put a set of 24V heads on our PRV? Can we upgrade the Ignition
and Fuel Injection to something more modern?
Keep the block the same, this way we know it will fit.
Pierre ZWILLING wrote:
>
> Hi you all lucky Vin's owners !
>
> As I see on the list some issues about the use of the V6 PRV in other =
> cars than the DeLorean, let me share you all my listing of all V6 PRV =
> stock mounts.
<SNIP>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 13:47:06 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
I received this fax and wanted to post it to the list immediately. I
think this is a great idea and you can expect to hear more about it in
the coming months. Just remember that you read it here first!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
The Pius Xl High School annual auction is going to be raffling away one
of the most unique and unusual automobiles ever made, the DeLorean DMC-12.
Raffle tickets will be made available to all who wish to participate. You
need not attend the auction in order to win. Tickets will cost $40 a
piece and 3 for $100. All proceeds go towards Pius Xl school operations.
Pius Xl thigh School is the largest non-public high school in the state
with an average enrollment of approximately 1500 students. This year
marks the 15th Anniversary for the "Touch of Class Auction". Chad Sorce,
Auction Coordinator, has said that this was going to be a night full of
surprises, but the DeLorean adds to the fun. "We are looking forward to
the best auction ever, the addition of the car just enhances that
possibility." "We would like to thank Terry Briscoe, father of Chris '86,
who has generously donated this fine collectible cars' said an
appreciative Sorce.
The auction will be held on March 27,1999 at the Clarion Hotel and
Convention Center on South Howell Avenue.
The DeLorean DMC-12 was a concept car built by John Z. DeLorean, the past
president of Pontiac and Chevrolet. In 1975 he decided to build what he
called, the "first practical sports car." The Car, which was built in
Northern Ireland featured a stainless steel body, a rear engine and the
trademark gull wing doors. The car went into production in 1981 and was
produced until 1983. In that year DeLorean Motor Company declared
bankruptcy and the British government seized and destroyed the remaining
body dies.
There were a total of 8,583 DMC-12's produced with roughly 6,000 still
considered road worthy. The car is probably the most affordable and
collectible sports cars on the market today.
Sorce has contacted John DeLorean about the possibility of attending the
auction to pull the winning ticket. He says that although he is unsure
about his schedule he will provide an extra bonus to the winner of the
car. Mr. DeLorean will send a letter and autographed picture to be
presented to the winner.
Any interested party can contact Pius Xl High School to purchase tickets.
All inquires should be made to Chad Sorce, Special Events Coordinator at
(414) 290-8172. Photos of the car will soon be posted on the Pius Web
Site at:
*****************************
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:48:47 -0500
From: Joe Capasso <capasso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Necktie
Does anyone know where I can get a DeLorean necktie?
Thanks,
Joe
capasso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:56:52 -0600
From: "Lane Ongstad" <longstad@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Trailing Arm repair
I have been reading with great interest the continuing string on =
trailing arm failures. Being a fairly recent DMC owner (my red [yes =
it's painted and I love it!] DMC has 26,000 miles on it) I am a little =
concerned to hear about failures at under 30K. I think the problem =
would make a great "tech topic" for the DML 'zine. BTW, congrats on the =
recent issue - it is without a doubt the finest "publication" I have =
seen on Delorean topics. I especially appreciated the manner in which =
the tech topic (installation of the tankzilla) was presented -- I think =
even I can now take that one on! I wish I had the skill to contribute =
to the effort, but in the meantime I am glad to benefit from the =
experiences and skills of others. How about it folks?? Can someone out =
there photograph and author an orientation article about dealing with =
the TA problem?? (PS the angle bracket lubrication problem would also be =
great -- like I said. i've got lots of ideas, but extremely limited =
skills -- oh well)
Thanks again for the superb zine.
Lane Ongstad
VIN 06624
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:36:05 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
Yeesh!! I guess "non profit" raffles don't have to give odds of
winning? What if they sell a few hundred thousand tickets?!
I guess this is still a great chance to get a DMC cheap!
James Espey wrote:
<SNIP>
> Raffle tickets will be made available to all who wish to participate. You
> need not attend the auction in order to win. Tickets will cost $40 a
> piece and 3 for $100. All proceeds go towards Pius Xl school operations.
<SNIP>
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 14:57:01 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Arizona Delorean Club - Report
Thanks to all those who attended the meet/show at the Scottsdale
Pavilions this past Saturday night. In attendance were:
The Atkinson family
Ken Barre
Mark Dinunzio and Pam Sharon
James Espey
The Federicos
Ryan McCaffrey
Chris Rabalais
Ace Underhill
We had a complete range of DeLoreans show up, too. There were two each of
the 81, 82 and 83 model years, both black and grey interior cars and both
five speeds and automatics. Many people remarked that they had never seen
so many DeLoreans in one place at one time.
Second Saturday is next on January 9th. There will be a reminder message
sent out, and I need confirmations at that time so I can call them again
to reserve spaces so we don't have to get ugly again with the Pontiac
Club.
After that, our next event is scheduled to be the "Street Classics
Cruisin' Car Show" at Manistee Town Center (55th Avenue and Northern, SW
corner) on FEBRUARY 7, 1999. We fit into the "Foreign Sports Car" class
and the entry fee is $5. The first 100 entries get a dash plaque and the
judging is by the participants. First and second place trophies and best
of Show.
Thanks again to all who came out and I hope to see those of you that
couldn't make it!
James Espey
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:57:41 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [none]
I dug up another page on the FireStar 500. Dunno if anyone has seen it or
not. It has, among other things, a FireStar articles I hadn't seen
before. It is a pretty recent page and is at
members.tripod.com/~Phoenix007/firestar.html
Someone had a web page where they detailed their rotary-engined DeLorean.
It was more or less for sale. I even e-mailed the builder about it some
but have managed to lose those emails. Does anyone remember where that
page is?
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:07:43 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
Marc,
You have brought up an interesting subject, something we have been
researching for a while. Several years ago we bought a 1980 Volvo 260 GLE
to research the relationship between its PRV and the DeLorean counterpart.
Two years ago we purchased a 1990 Volvo 760 GLE with the updated PRV-280,
this updated version of the B-28F contains 90's technology. The result is
more horsepower, higher compression ratio, greater torque, and better fuel
efficiency. Who knows what the future holds for our reliable, trustworthy,
and loyal friend; the PRV.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:22:53 -0800
From: bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx (Brandon J. Payne)
Subject: DML: Quick question
What is the redline on a DeLorean? Thanks!
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:57 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Trailing arm
Hello Everyone:
Define a great Delorean mechanic: Eudell Lusher, Eudell's Auto
Service, Merriam, Kansas! (I have no financial interest in the business)
Eudell worked on my first Delorean a number of years ago and when I
bought my latest one this past summer, I took it to him for some
repairs, refurbishing etc. I have detailed the list of things needed to
bring this latest one up to date. Well, I, along with others, have been
reading with great interest (and trepidation) this most recent thread of
the saga of the trailing arm bolts. I got so concerned that I called
Eudell yesterday to set up a time to bring my car in to have the bolt
checked. Instead of telling me a time, he said:
"I checked that the first thing when you brought it in in August.
Yours are fine." Whoa!
So, I usually don't recommend ANYONE, cause as sure as I do,
something bad will happen and I'll get blamed for the actions of the
person I referred. But, I was very impressed with this little tidbit.
(He also rattled off the checklist of little things that can become
major things on a Delorean and he had done them all..or checked them
all...on my car without any suggestion or direction from me.) Eudell was
a lead mechanic for the Ford dealership here in the KC area that was
also the Delorean dealership. He received factory training, at the
service center in California, I believe. He has operated his own shop
for 10 to 15 years, now. I would say anyone in the midwest US would be
well served to have their Delorean worked on by Eudell. He is always
terribly busy, so if you're in a hurry, he's not for you. But if you
want it done right and up to specs, he's your man. He's in Merriam,
Kansas which is about in the middle of the Greater Kansas City
Metropolitan area. His phone is 913-677-4777. De Miller, Kansas City,
VIN #3427 Lic. OUTATYM.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:03:03 -0500
From: "Larry C. Hildreth" <Hildreths@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Headliner
I encountered the same difficulty when seeking to replace the headliner in
my DeLorean. For those unfamiliar with the problem it is essentially
this. While considerable advancements have been forthcoming in automobile
technology, headliner material continues to be bonded to a thin foam liner
which is prone to dry rot or the adhesive drys out allowing the material
and foam liner to separate. The result - a droopy interior headliner!
How
long the headliner will last depends on the quality of workmanship at
installation and the type of weather (environment) you subject your pride
and joy. The hot desert environs of the Southwest (Phoenix for example)
will raise really havoc with the headliner, not to mention the binnacle
and everything else in the interior.
O.K. to the point. I went to a noted local automobile interior shop and
expressed what I consider the futility of installing new headliner that
basically in five to ten years would take on that same rag tag droopy
appearance that I was replacing. The shop foreman looked at the interior
inserts, the deep contours and the need for a material that was both
durable, but flexible and able to stretch. We ended up using a very high
quality trunk liner/ pattern - automat, color - grey by Jackson Fabrics.
You install it just as you would the original with 3M spray interior
adhesive. It looks great and should wear like iron. I've had it on for
two years now and no problems. This is not the heavy coarse material that
you envision many trunk liners. The grey is very close to the original
grey of my car which was darker than later models due to early vin and
black interior.
Suggest a wire brush to get the old rotted foam off of the interior
inserts. Also, the rear most insert (above the back window) may require
some stiffening to properly mold along the top of the rear window. Rob
Grady is a good source for How to do it. Also, I believe he sells fibre
glass inserts which are stiffer than the fibre board ones that came with
our cars. Good luck! =
The fact that it is one piece should solve the separation problem.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:54:45 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Braided Brake Lines
At 01:41 AM 12/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>WINGD2@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Well, the last batch of SS braided brake line kits for the Delorean have
>> arrived. I've ended up with 2 extra sets. If anyone is interested
>> please e-mail me.
>> Thanks, Marty
>
reply:
Hi Marty,
I am one of the Delorean owners who got a set of braided stainless break
lines.
I got the fronts installed but have put off doing the backs as a winter
project. I can tell you there is a big difference on the road. By example
on the way home from a NCDMC meeting in an intersection I had a not-head
on
a bicycle dart out in front of me against the light! I hit the breaks ASAP
and left rubber right up to an inch of the guy. I actually thought I had
hit him but did not. I went back to see where I stopped, and found that
the front tires had grabbed and stopped 20 feet sooner than the rears.
which left 10 feet of marks.
There is no doubt in my mind what ever that these break lines work better
than the OEM units.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:33:51 -0500
From: Romeo Chicco <romeo@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: D for sale.
'81 #3772 5-Speed for sale $15,500 Great condition.
Body and interior in excellent condition (except for wear
in drivers seat)
34,000 miles and runs great. Driven daily and
always garage kept. Located in South Florida.
E-mail me for detailed information at romeo@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:38:27 EST
From: JCox4001@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Torsion Bar malfunction
Just when I got all the oil leaks stopped beneath the car, the passenger
side
torsion bar has obviously malfunctioned. I have heard it creaking for a
time
now, but today, I have a very heavy door that wants to slam shut! The bar
itself will move front to back a good 3/4 of an inch.
Can anyone offer any help or suggestions. I have searched the archives
but
all I could find is sagging door problems. I live in Memphis if anyone is
close and would like to see Elvis, and help me fix it.
Jeff Cox
vin 5705
IN2TIME
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:21:57 EST
From: DeLorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: New Member
Greetings all. I am a new member to this mailing list. I am from NJ near
Atlantic City. Are there any other members in this area? I was
wondering if
there is a regional club near here as well. Well I am looking forward to
all
the posts.
Gary
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:57:20 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Joe,Thanks for the info,on the differences between the Delorean engine
and the
Volvo engine,I have four Deloreans,and one had a engine fire,(1982)and
the top
end of the engine cooked pretty good,but the engine still hand spins
over,but
I was just thinking of picking up a volvo 240DL,with the PRV6,and at
least use
the complete fuel inj. system,would that still work?And about the back of
the
volvo V6 is there some way to make it fit?Also is it just the lower Girdle
that holds the crank in that has to be replaced?Also I can't justify
spending
$4000.00 for a motor,when the car is worth about $9000.00. Thanks
Claude
Vin#00570
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:04:38 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
At 01:31 AM 12/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Claude,
>One BIG problem with retrofitting the Volvo B 28F is that when it is
>installed in the DeLorean many items that are right side become left sided
>and left sided become right sided. Remember the Volvo version is front
>engine rear drive and the DeLorean is rear engine rear drive. It sounds
>strange but if you check
>the Volvo manuals and look at the Volvo set up there are distinct
>differences between the two. There are also deference's in the rear end
>mountings that will not allow dhe Volvo version to accept the DeLorean
>auto
>and 5 speed bellhousings and as you had mentioned, the lower casing (oil
>pan
>mounting) in the Volvo will prevent it from fitting in the DeLorean frame.
>Besides why would you want to go through all that hassle when there are
>plenty of complete DeLorean PRV virgin engines sitting in the warehouse in
>Columbus.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
reply:
Joe,
It seam to me that if a Delorean owner wanted to some how get more
performance from a DeLorean, they should go get a brand new engine in the
box and take it to a speed shop and have them do every thing possible to
increase power, and reliability.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:56:14 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
>Yeesh!! I guess "non profit" raffles don't have to give odds of
>winning? What if they sell a few hundred thousand tickets?!
>
>I guess this is still a great chance to get a DMC cheap!
- ---------------------------------
Marc
I, too, was surprised by the "tickets will be made available to all who
wish to participate" line. EVERY non-profit car lottery I have ever seen
has always told you the total number of tickets to be sold!
Dick Ryan
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:28:26 +1100
From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: THERMOSTAT REMOVAL & FAN SWITCH
I'm having a slight heating problem with my 'D' and want to remove the
thermostat so that I can check its serviceability. At first glance, to
remove the thermostat seems a real nightmare especially as it appears I
need to remove a portion of the intake manifold. Is there an easier way.
Lastly, I have a suspicion that the fan switch is inoperative. I have
immersed it in boiling water an placed a multimeter across the contacts
without any response. Is this the right process for checking the switch.
Thank you in anticipation.
Lance Haslewood
Australia
lanceh@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:49:59 -0800
From: Richard Lew <2evm@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
To all:
After reading about the trailing arm issue, I took a peek to see mine. I
don't notice anything unusual but should I have the bolts removed for
further inspection or a visual is good enough?
Also the metal panels that are just under the trailing arm bolt, do I
really need them? The nuts and bolts are pretty rusted and I may have
to cut them out to get access to the trailing arm bolts. What is their
purpose??
Also, drove my daughter to her high school-EVERYBODY LOOKED!!
Drove my wife to the movies-EVERYBODY AWED!!!
Drove myself to the store-EVERYONE SAYS I'M COOL!!!
Drove to work-EVERYONE ASKS HOW CAN I AFFORD IT!!!
Drove to my 25th high school reunion-EVERY HIGH SCHOOL CHEERLEADER ASKED
IF I'M STILL AVAILABLE!!!(Why didn't I get this car sooner??!!!)
Richard Lew
Danville, California
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:56:28 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Torsion Bar malfunction
>now, but today, I have a very heavy door that wants to slam shut! The bar
>itself will move front to back a good 3/4 of an inch.
>Can anyone offer any help or suggestions. I have searched the archives
>but
Well, if the bar isn't working, you've probably got a shattered t-bar. If
you can move it, it's either in two pieces, or isn't secured. There is a
small area where the t-bar is obscured by the roof, it's possible it broke
there.
Open up your louvers, and unscrew the three screws securing the little
black
plastic cover directly above the rear window. You'll be able to see the
t-bar brackets for both sides. If the bracket is still screwed in nice
and
tight, loosen the bolts securing it just slightly. if the bracket is
under
torque, your bar isn't broken. If, after loosening the bolts, the bracket
is moving freely (however limited the range of motion may be), you can
pull
the bolts off, remove the bracket, and the end of the t-bar will most
likely
come with it.
Good luck!
BTW: I got my replacement t-bar from Bob Miller (1000mil@xxxxxxx) at much
less than NOS pricing. I'm pretty sure he has more.
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:33:53 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
That route is very expensive!!
If I can go to a junkyard and buy a "donor" motor for under $300 and use
the heads, intake, fuel injection, etc from it to increase the HP of the
DMC, Why would I spend $$ to have a speed shop rework a motor?
I think the possibilities (on the surface) look good enough to
investigate... Too bad I dont have the resources!
> Joe,
>
> It seam to me that if a Delorean owner wanted to some how get more
> performance from a DeLorean, they should go get a brand new engine in the
> box and take it to a speed shop and have them do every thing possible to
> increase power, and reliability.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:31:51 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
Ok.. So you have the donor cars ready.... What did you learn?
I am not familiar with the Spec's on those cars.
have you tried any swaps??
DMC Joe wrote:
>
> Marc,
> You have brought up an interesting subject, something we have been
> researching for a while. Several years ago we bought a 1980 Volvo 260 GLE
> to research the relationship between its PRV and the DeLorean counterpart.
> Two years ago we purchased a 1990 Volvo 760 GLE with the updated PRV-280,
> this updated version of the B-28F contains 90's technology. The result is
> more horsepower, higher compression ratio, greater torque, and better fuel
> efficiency. Who knows what the future holds for our reliable, trustworthy,
> and loyal friend; the PRV.
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:36:52 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
The best way to check the bolts is to "spin" them. Make sure they are
not bent.
If you need to loosen them up, use a torque wrench to secure it. I am
told by PJGrady that if you make them too tight you will damage the
bearing.
The metal panels keep water away from the trailing arm bolt.. I would
not remove them.
I should have went to my high school reunion!! Check the archives for
the "Chick Magnet" thread...
Richard Lew wrote:
>
> To all:
>
> After reading about the trailing arm issue, I took a peek to see mine. I
> don't notice anything unusual but should I have the bolts removed for
> further inspection or a visual is good enough?
>
> Also the metal panels that are just under the trailing arm bolt, do I
> really need them? The nuts and bolts are pretty rusted and I may have
> to cut them out to get access to the trailing arm bolts. What is their
> purpose??
>
> Also, drove my daughter to her high school-EVERYBODY LOOKED!!
> Drove my wife to the movies-EVERYBODY AWED!!!
> Drove myself to the store-EVERYONE SAYS I'M COOL!!!
> Drove to work-EVERYONE ASKS HOW CAN I AFFORD IT!!!
> Drove to my 25th high school reunion-EVERY HIGH SCHOOL CHEERLEADER ASKED
> IF I'M STILL AVAILABLE!!!(Why didn't I get this car sooner??!!!)
>
> Richard Lew
> Danville, California
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:50:43 EST
From: eurojet@xxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Sad note
I haven't written to the list in awhile but the last time I did it was
because I was excited that my father and I had purchased a DeLorean which
was to be our hobby car. Unfortunately my father passed away in his sleep
at 76 years young exactly one month and one week after we drove the car
home. But for that month and week we were both young again and having a
blast cruising it around town and tinkering with it in the driveway. The
night he went to sleep I asked him if he wanted to drive it for his first
time but he said no because his shoes were too big! That was my dad and
my friend. For all of you fathers and sons out there with your DeLoreans
enjoy every moment together as there is no greater joy than a father/son
relationship. How soon and unexpectedly they can be gone. I was lucky to
enjoy mine for my 40 years and will always treasure our moments together.
Of course I will miss him as my co-pilot and not seeing him in the
passenger seat.... Fil Vigil.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:19:48 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
>It seam to me that if a Delorean owner wanted to some how get more
>performance from a DeLorean, they should go get a brand new engine in the
>box and take it to a speed shop and have them do every thing possible to
>increase power, and reliability.
>
>Lee
If you live in an area that requires annual emission tests you're really
limited as to what modifications can be done. Having collector license
plates gets us out of emisson tests where I live. All the PRV parts that
would enhance engine output to a degree worth the cost and t labor are
from
European cars that are non-conforming to US regulations. Turbocharging
doesn't upset the original design of the lamba enhanced fuel injection and
is still the easiest way to gain a bit of horse power. An example of using
used parts from a junker late model Volvo would still require a lot of
labor
and restoring the cylinder heads alone could be very expensive. Warped
heads
can't be shaved because the timing chain cover wouldn't match up to them.
The camshafts run through the center of the heads and if the warp is bad
enough the cam bearings wouldn't line up.
Bruce Benson
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