dmcnews-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 455
In this issue:
Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
DML: originality
DML: Re: Quick question
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
DML: Re: THERMOSTAT REMOVAL & FAN SWITCH
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
DML: Re: Trailing Arm Inspection
DML: Re: originality
Re: DML: originality
Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
DML: Re: Sad note
DML: New De Lorean Webpage
DML: RE: originality
Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
DML: Trailing Arm Bolt Query
DML: dmc for sale
Re: DML: RE: originality
DML: Originality of automobiles an ART FORM (was Re: Originality)
DML: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
DML: Horsepower
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
DML: correction
DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
DML: Lee's DeLorean Model Kits: A first hand report.
Re: DML: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
DML: Re: BAE turbo
Re: DML: originality
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:09:12 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
oops!! I meant damage the BUSSING!
Marc A Levy wrote:
> told by PJGrady that if you make them too tight you will damage the
> bearing.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:43:55 -0500
From: "Blade Runner" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: originality
This may be an old point, I really can't remember. I was wondering how =
many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =
shape. I have been reading a lot lately from owners trying to increase =
horsepower, automate the door openings, and make other modifications to =
their cars (not just updates and radio replacements). I find this an =
interesting notion and when I buy my second "D" I may be interested in =
making more changes to it than my current one, but as it sits right now, =
I can't imagine making major changes to my car.
I am in no way saying it is wrong to make these changes, but for me =
these cars are classics and I was wondering how many other owners feel =
the same way.
Jack Stiefel
President Blade Runner Tackle Corporation
President Leslie Leasing Corporation
Visit us at: http://www.bladerunnertackle.com
or visit my DeLorean Page at: =
http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
DMC Vin # 3461 August 1981 Build
NY Licence # 0utatime
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:32:51 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Quick question
Brandon,
Although the speedo indicates 6,000 in RED, maximum horsepower is rated at
5,500 RPM.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> From: Brandon J. Payne <bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Quick question
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:22 PM
>
> What is the redline on a DeLorean? Thanks!
>
> -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:06:16 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
First off the 240 DL will not due it's the 260 GLE that has the PRV-6.
Secondly, stay away from pre 1981 PRV's, many of these engines were fitted
with camshafts that failed prematurely. Items that will need to be changed
are the crankcase, flywheel, starter, water pump, motor mounts, and all
electric sensors that feed voltages to the instrument cluster. We have
never, do we know of anyone who has, attempted this modification. In our
opinion, unless you could locate a very low mileage Volvo PRV this would
not be a cost effective alternative to purchasing a brand new DeLorean PRV
which will easily and efficiently replace your existing engine with no
modifications.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:57 AM
>
> Joe,Thanks for the info,on the differences between the Delorean engine
> and the
> Volvo engine,I have four Deloreans,and one had a engine fire,(1982)and
> the top
> end of the engine cooked pretty good,but the engine still hand spins
> over,but
> I was just thinking of picking up a volvo 240DL,with the PRV6,and at
> least use
> the complete fuel inj. system,would that still work?And about the back of
> the
> volvo V6 is there some way to make it fit?Also is it just the lower
Girdle
> that holds the crank in that has to be replaced?Also I can't justify
> spending
> $4000.00 for a motor,when the car is worth about $9000.00. Thanks
>
> Claude
> Vin#00570
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:19:46 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: THERMOSTAT REMOVAL & FAN SWITCH
Lance,
The thermostat is easily removed without removal of any intake manifold
parts. If you have a parts manual refer to (1/3/0) and (1/4/1). Remove the
three bolts that secure the throttle spool bracket 1/4/1 # 35 (refereed to
as the bobbin) than remove the two thermostat housing 1/3/0 # 3 bolts.
Remove the thermostat housing to expose the thermostat. Your test of the
fan switch was done properly, no continuity in boiling water indicates a
defective switch. You may want to save yourself some work by replacing the
fan switch and air bleeding the system before removing the thermostat.
DeLorean thermostats have a very low failure rate.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:48:21 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Lee,
That sounds reasonable but the DeLorean has virtually no "off the shelf"
performance upgrades. Actually for the DeLorean PRV the easiest least
expensive speed upgrade is to turbocharge. I can tell you from experience
that a turbo makes a significant difference in acceleration. The turbo
units are bolt on and allow the reliable PRV workhorse to become a
competitive counterpart to Corvettes, Porches, and the like.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:54:22 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Trailing Arm Inspection
Richard,
A visual inspection is sufficient, but to be sure you should put a wrench
on both the trailing arm bolts and the bushing mounting bolts to be sure
they are tight. The metal panels are officially called "air deflection
plates". They are designed to help air cool the brake rotors. Unless you
do
a lot of hard driving that requires additional brake cooling, you can get
by without them. On the other hand you could purchase the updated and
improved stainless fastener set up from one of our DeLorean part suppliers
that will allow you to easily remove the panels whenever necessary.
Your closing comments prove what we constantly tell people. If you want a
car that will attract maximum attention, be reliable and affordable the
DeLorean is without a doubt is NUMBER ONE !
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:02:27 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Re: originality
I am trying to keep mine original. I have done the recalls and have only
used non original parts when the OEM parts are not available. I have
added
an alarm and an onboard charger for when it sits for extended periods of
time. Both the alarm and charger can be removed with no trace of its
installation. I am would like to pass this car down to my son in about
thirty years. As time passes, the OEM parts supply will be exhausted and
replacements will be developed which are hopefully of a superior design
using modern technology.
That's my two cents worth.
Scott Mueller
DMC/ Das Mueller Companies
Mobile, AL
1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS
Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm
Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 5:42 PM
Subject: DML: originality
>This may be an old point, I really can't remember. I was wondering how =
>many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =
>shape.
SNIPPED
>Jack Stiefel
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:34:17 EST
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: originality
In a message dated 12/16/98 5:41:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< I was wondering how =
many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =
shape. I have been reading a lot lately from owners trying to increase =
horsepower, automate the door openings, and make other modifications to =
their cars (not just updates and radio replacements). >>
I too want to try and make my car original. But I did add one thing to
it. I
am putting on that automatic door opener in such a way that if I want I
can
take it right out of the car and make it seem like it was never there in
the
first place. I am not going to hack into the wires in the doors or even
make
mounting holes in the doors, I am using the same holes that were
originally in
there. I thought about that for a while before I decided to install that
kit,
also it looks COOL!!!!!
Later,
Nick
VIN#1852
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:52:57 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: V6 PRV Powered vehicles
Marc,
Good question, here is the answer. As I had said the newer version B-280
has several improvements but the engine is basically the same as the
B-28F.
Although the newer LH Jetronic uses fuel more efficiently it is
considerably more complex than the earlier K system in our DeLoreans. The
only real advantage is that the B-280 intake manifold allows easier
servicing of the water pump. In closing the few advantages the B-280 has
over its B-28 cousin do not outweigh the reliability and simplicity of the
tried and true DeLorean PRV. BTW the 90 Volvo 760 research car is living
out its life as my family car and doing a great job I might ad.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:58:18 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Sad note
We would like to send our deepest sympathy for your loss, and would like
to
thank you for your words of inspiration. We couldn't agree with you any
more that a father, a son and their DeLorean is beautiful and emotional.
Sincerely,
Joe and Alan LoRe'
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> From: eurojet@xxxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Sad note
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:50 PM
>
> I haven't written to the list in awhile but the last time I did it was
> because I was excited that my father and I had purchased a DeLorean which
> was to be our hobby car. Unfortunately my father passed away in his sleep
> at 76 years young exactly one month and one week after we drove the car
> home. But for that month and week we were both young again and having a
> blast cruising it around town and tinkering with it in the driveway. The
> night he went to sleep I asked him if he wanted to drive it for his first
> time but he said no because his shoes were too big! That was my dad and
> my friend. For all of you fathers and sons out there with your DeLoreans
> enjoy every moment together as there is no greater joy than a father/son
> relationship. How soon and unexpectedly they can be gone. I was lucky to
> enjoy mine for my 40 years and will always treasure our moments together.
> Of course I will miss him as my co-pilot and not seeing him in the
> passenger seat.... Fil Vigil.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:29:43 +0100
From: bettycat@xxxxxxxxxxx (BETTYCAT)
Subject: DML: New De Lorean Webpage
Hello !
There is a new De Lorean webpage from Switzerland. Have a look at
http://www.delorean.ch
Not so much to see at the moment but very nice.
DIRK (VIN # 6795)
St.Elmo@xxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:59:21 -0600
From: Gowler Don-CFPO01 <cfpo01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: originality
>I can't imagine making major changes to my car.
>I am in no way saying it is wrong to make these changes, but for me
>these cars are classics and I was wondering how many other owners feel
>the same way.
>Jack Stiefel
I'm with you Jack. I customized my first one by lowering it, adding an
alarm system and cruise control and in a few years realized I really
wanted a pristine original. I picked one up a few years ago and am
doing everything possible to keep it that way. Still love the first one
though as it was my initial move into John DeLorean's Dream World.
I would encourage the younger generation that is now getting involved
with this exceptional vehicle to seriously consider maintaining it's
originality.
The Silver Fox
DOA, DMC, DMidwestC
Vin #'s 10788, 01149
Chicago
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:33:09 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Trailing Arm Inspection
At 09:49 AM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote:
>To all:
>
>After reading about the trailing arm issue, I took a peek to see mine. I
>don't notice anything unusual but should I have the bolts removed for
>further inspection or a visual is good enough?
>
>Also the metal panels that are just under the trailing arm bolt, do I
>really need them? The nuts and bolts are pretty rusted and I may have
>to cut them out to get access to the trailing arm bolts. What is their
>purpose??
>
>Also, drove my daughter to her high school-EVERYBODY LOOKED!!
>Drove my wife to the movies-EVERYBODY AWED!!!
>Drove myself to the store-EVERYONE SAYS I'M COOL!!!
>Drove to work-EVERYONE ASKS HOW CAN I AFFORD IT!!!
>Drove to my 25th high school reunion-EVERY HIGH SCHOOL CHEERLEADER ASKED
>IF I'M STILL AVAILABLE!!!(Why didn't I get this car sooner??!!!)
>
reply:
Richard,
I am in Berkeley! we should get together one of these days!
Yes you do need the two metal mud cards, the do several things including
effect cooling, don't leave them off. The rusty nuts and bolts can be
replaced by a nifty kit from PJ Grady. You should remove both trailing arm
bolts and inspect for straightness and any signs of damage. If you have
any
doubts get replacements. If they are failing you will see it. There are
two
rubber bushing that are part of the TBA that you should replace in any
case. The old one are hard and it makes a difference in the ride. Be sure
that you do not loose the shims and be sure to replace them exactly the
way
you find them.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:18:40 -0800
From: "Murray" <murrayf@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Trailing Arm Bolt Query
A friends wifes dentist !! told her to tell me to check my trailing arm =
bolt! She had no idea what he was talking about but relayed the =
message. He had purchased a new DeLorean in town here (one of two =
sold). He said he had no problem but was told how important it was to =
keep an eye on it. Word gets around!!
My car had 3443 miles on it when I bought it from the original owner and =
now has 6K miles, two years later. I feel nothing, nor HEAR nothing =
that would concern me, but all these stories scare me. Of course when I =
mention it to a mechanic they just laugh at the idea that a car of this =
calibre would have a problem like that in such a short time. Anyway, I =
want to have it checked and replaced if any question at all. I am not =
able to do that type of work any more. =20
All the threads are kind of scary...one mentioned to allow a DAY to get =
the job done. I don't relish the idea of a local mechanic taking a day =
at his shops salary of like $50 per hour. Others have said you can do =
the job in an hour. =20
I suppose the truth is somewhere in the middle there. I have a good =
mechanic and don't think he would overcharge me. =20
I will NOT be putting many miles on the car. I remember a while back =
someone had a retrofit kit where the bolt was supported on BOTH sides =
rather than one. Is that a recommendation?
Thank you for any comments or advice.
Murray
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:56:24 EST
From: Ahelio1@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: dmc for sale
I have a red 81 dmc-12 vin# ---------5395 for sale asking 15000.00
has 73k miles runs great needs a clutch slipping e mail me @
ahelio1@xxxxxxx
I am in central washington state. thankyou bud
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:50:41 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: RE: originality
This will be a never ending discussion. It's sort of like who do you
prefer, a blonde or a brunette. It is a matter of personal preference.
And, like most personal preferences, they will change from time to time.
Like Don Gowler, my first D was lowered, custom sound system, headlight
covers, etc. My current D is much more stock. I did install the 1 1/2
inch lower front springs, but you have to look at 2 D's side by side
before
you really notice the difference. I have no problem installing
mechanicals
that make the car more reliable, the 'Zilla products, for example. And,
yes, turbos -- but they can be removed if really desired.
As time passes I find that I lean more to a stock appearance simply
because
I become more and more aware that the car has rather timeless styling.I
believe that ABSOLUTE pristiness is really only for those who into
concours events and/or who hope that someday their cars will go up in
value.
My $.02 !
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:10:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Coplen <Blarness@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Originality of automobiles an ART FORM (was Re: Originality)
PLEASE read.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:37:21 -0500
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I too have every intent on keeping my DeLorean as original as possible.
I personally consider automobile restoration a personal art form and a
passion.
Although many consider customizing an automobile to their personal liking
an art form in itself, I choose to preserve that history and art which
was created
by the minds and dreams of the automobile industry.
Obviously I am fulfilling my own _expression_ of art by choosing a vehicle
that
means something to me personally. I do not actively preserve vehicles
that
do not personally express myself or my vision. I carefully choose the
vehicles
that I keep in my collection.
My DeLorean (#3876) was the 63rd car I have bought and restored since
1984.
A note: #3876 did not need restoration. All it needed was a clutch and
headliners.
I do not work in the automotive body or mechanical field. I'm an I.T.
administrator. I merely have a passion for the restoration and
preservation
of the automobile industry's history. Although I have, many times, run
into
individuals who find a great passion in "customizing" their autos I
merely
choose the art form of original restoration. I by no means consider a
person's
choice to customize their vehicle to be a bad thing. I have built custom
vehicles
of my own in the past. In fact, I owned my custom longer than any of the
others.
As well, I believe vehicles should be DRIVEN! I don't care HOW rare your
car is.
You should drive it! Drive it carefully though.
Although I would NEVER stomp on someone's dream, I do often cringe at some
of the things I hear people wanting to do like put trailer hitches on
DeLoreans.
I don't remember who wanted to do that but understand I have no
disrespect to
that person. I'm just saying that some customizations are not good for
the car's
mechanicals in the long run. Let us all make wise decisions when
"customizing"
our cars. I'd hate to see a vehicle damaged due to neglect or
engineering that
wasn't well planned out. Thank you.
Chris
#3976
Lic. GIGAWAT
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 5:42 PM
Subject: DML: originality
>This may be an old point, I really can't remember. I was wondering how =
>many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =
>shape.
SNIPPED
>Jack Stiefel
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:34:06 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
Hello all
I would like to thank you all for you help with my fuel problem.
As you may recall I installed the PUROLATER fuel filter on a whim from the
PEP BOYS store here in Baltimore. As a result the car would not start and
after hours upon hours of labour, I had a new set of filters sent to me.
The GERMAN filter from the DMC SUPPLIERS is the CORRECT replacement
filter. Save your money and TIME if you need parts for the DElorean and
purchase the correct parts designed for our Deloreans from the many DMC
suppliers.
In addition I would like to ask the publisher of the DELOREAN
CROSS REFERENCE LIST to remove the PUROLATER FUEL FILTER from you listing.
The listing is a useful guide for owners if they get into an emergency out
of town. However after recent E-Mail and telephone calls with other
owners who have installed this PUROLATER filter we have no doubt that this
filter fits OK but the internal flow cuts off the fuel supply to the main
fuel line to the fuel distributor.
Sincerely
Michael Pack
"Stranded Senator"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:38:50 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Horsepower
>Would TURBOCHARGING the DELOREAN be the way to go?
Elanor Rodgers up on Long Island ( the TURBO LADY) help set up the twin
turbo system for the DELOREANs. The DMC will pass state emmissions etc.
In addition since LOTUS preformed the set up of the car, and the TURBO
ESPRIT is its cousin I think that TURBOCHARGING the DMC would save your
time and money in the long run.
Just my 2 cents
Senator Mike
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 13:33:04 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
On 12/17/98 7:49 PM, Dick Ryan shared these fine thoughts...
>As time passes I find that I lean more to a stock appearance simply because
>I become more and more aware that the car has rather timeless styling.I
>believe that ABSOLUTE pristiness is really only for those who into
>concours events and/or who hope that someday their cars will go up in
>value.
This subject has become one of the "holy wars" collector car community,
and I fall on the originality side of the fence.
I believe, as most do, that an original car will always be worth more
than a "modified" car, at least as far as DeLoreans go, with all else
being equal.
I recently was the recipient of an email, the author of which I won't
name as I do not think the content was meant for public consumption. The
text relevant to this thread was:
>His "list" is the single most negative factor our marque has ever experienced.
>It is really trashing the value of our cars. Why on earth would we want to
>direct anyone to it?
I can only assume that the author is referring to the various
"modifications" and "cross-reference" parts information that is often
discussed on the DML. I don't believe that the list is "trashing the
value" of our cars, the owner who chooses to perform some of the these
mods, or use a questionable part is hurting the value of these cars.
Which is where originality comes in - cars that are properly maintained,
and kept in a stock original condition will have a higher resale value.
All the parts and information is out there to those who are willing to
search for it AND willing AND able to pay the price.
A DeLorean is a relatively inexpensive car to buy today - IMO, certainly
a very high "bang for the buck" quotient. It's one thing to buy a $15K
car, another thing to maintain, to a good standard, a 15 (nearly 20) year
old used car.
A good friend just bought a DeLorean with 37 miles on it. The nicest,
cleanest unrestored car I have ever seen. He's had it for 3 months, put
another 260 miles on it and just sold it. Not because he didn't like it,
but because he didn't like seeing the car's condition "deteriorate" each
time the odometer clicked over each mile. He's looking now for a car
that's in good, original condition, but with more miles.
To sum up, I encourage all owners to do whatever they want that makes
them happy. If that means keeping your car original, so much the better,
IMO.
James Espey
#10570
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:45:47 EST
From: Ahelio1@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: correction
sorry my 81 has 37k on it not 73 k bud
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:54:39 EST
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
In a message dated 12/17/98 2:01:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Actually for the DeLorean PRV the easiest least
expensive speed upgrade is to turbocharge. I can tell you from experience
that a turbo makes a significant difference in acceleration. >>
....I recently added the BAE turbo charger to my car and all I can say is
WOW.
I have already gotten "into it" with a stock mustang gt on the highway,
and I
pulled on him like he was slowing down! The car is now competive with a
stock
mid 80's vette. That is all the power I need from the Delorean. The turbo
only
pushes 9 pds of boost, I however have mine backed off to about 4 pds. I
have
been told you should never run the turbo past 7 pds. The whole kit bolted
on,
and was fairly easy to install and the car is still as reliable as ever.
When
the turbo winds up...... WOW!!!
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:07:51 -0800
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lee's DeLorean Model Kits: A first hand report.
Greetings all..
I took advantage of the nice weather we're having here in N. Cal. to
drive my 'D' down to the Seiler estate and get a first hand look at the
progress on the models Lee is preparing. I was really impressed by the
main outer bodies of the models. They are done in a white resin (looks
just like plastic) and they're very well detailed. These details are
done correctly, not like they are on the BTTF kits.
Currently Lee is working on the details of the inside of the doors. This
is a really tough area to model. As we all know, it's hard enough to get
the real full-sized doors to work, let alone something as small as
1/24th scale.
I'm sure some people are concerned as to just how much modeling skill it
will take to complete the cars. These are NOT a snap-together kit. Many
areas of the car will not be completely carved out. This gives the
builder the option to build the model to whatever level of detail they
feel they can do. For example, the door openings will need to be trimmed
back to make the doors fit to the body. This will ensure the best fit
and will allow the builder to even make the hinge work. Also, separate
front and rear fascias are included even though the model body already
has them, as is the hood. This allows the front and rear of the car to
be painted instead of being coated by the metal foil, which also has to
be done by the builder. The car comes with the early 81 hood (lines and
gas flap) on the body, but also comes with the late 81 (lines only) and
the 82/83 hood (no lines/flap). From there the builder can change the
hood and/or make it open to show the trunk details (also included).
Bottom line: This kit will not be for the faint of heart, but it will
produce the most accurate model kit of the DeLorean ever to be offered.
Perhaps one day one of the big model companies will come out with a
model, or maybe The Franklin or Danbury Mints will come out with a cast
model, but so far, inquiries to these companies indicate that they would
have to sell thousands of models just to break even.
I doubt anyone who gets one of these kits will be disappointed.
================================================================
Ken Montgomery VIN #10911 Work : (916) 278-7646
Sacramento, CA 'OUTTIME' Home : (916) 944-3252
Founder, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club 'NCDMC'
Please visit my website at:
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm kenm@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:19:30 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
IMHO, this goes for ANY part you need for your Delorean.
The DMC suppliers that I have used (usually PJGrady), have competitive
prices on both the hard to find parts, and the more common parts that
have been cross referenced.
The DMC experts know the parts they sell you will work in the Delorean.
The "lists" may be handy in a emergency but the #1 choice should always
be to call the experts, and get the correct part and the proper
installation instructions that come with it.
I don't think any of us own our Deloreans for investment, it is because
we love the car. If you want to keep your Delorean healthy, then we
need to support the people who keep our cars running (even if it is
indirectly). My Point: even if you KNOW what the correct cross
reference is, still buy it from your favorite Delorean Service Center.
Lets keep these guys in business for a long time!
Michael Pack wrote:
> filter. Save your money and TIME if you need parts for the DElorean and
> purchase the correct parts designed for our Deloreans from the many DMC
> suppliers.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:52:30 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
Before I drove from Alabama to Los Angeles for Expo '98, I installed a
fuel
filter that I purchased from my local parts house. I have absolutley no
problems with this fuel filter. In fact, the markings matched exactley
those that were on the OEM type filter that I purchased from the "#1"
DeLorean supplier in the industry. They claim to be #1 which is more
fiction than fact, but that is beside the point. It is too bad that you
had
a bad experience with a filter. The filter used on the DeLorean is a
very
common filter, it is not unique to the DeLorean. After I installed my
filter, I listed the inter-change information in a post to the DMCNEWS, it
should be archieved in August 1998. I listed the interchange info that
was
on the box.
What may have happened is that your new filter was
- -defective
- -plugged immediately after installation
- -not installed correctly, di you put dope or teflon tape on the threads?
I do not dispute your bad luck nor do I wish to start the "Great Debate of
Interchangeable Parts", but I do believe that there is no reason to pay
Automobile Dealership prices for readily obtainable parts from your
nieghborhood parts store. I do not buy air/oil/fuel filters from GM or
Ford, so I will not do it for my DeLorean.
Check any interchange information out for yourself, before you install
these
consumable parts.
Scott Mueller
DMC/ Das Mueller Companies
Mobile, AL
1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS
Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm
Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 1:03 PM
Subject: DML: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
>As you may recall I installed the PUROLATER fuel filter on a whim from the
>PEP BOYS store here in Baltimore. As a result the car would not start and
>after hours upon hours of labour, I had a new set of filters sent to me.
>The GERMAN filter from the DMC SUPPLIERS is the CORRECT replacement
>filter. Save your money and TIME if you need parts for the DElorean and
>purchase the correct parts designed for our Deloreans from the many DMC
>suppliers.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:58:25 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Re: BAE turbo
How much did the kit cost?
Where did you buy it?
Did you install it yourself?
How long did it take?
Scott Mueller
DMC/ Das Mueller Companies
Mobile, AL
1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS
Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm
Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:21 PM
Subject: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
>....I recently added the BAE turbo charger to my car and all I can say is
>WOW. The whole kit bolted on,
>and was fairly easy to install and the car is still as reliable as ever.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:22:14 PST
From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: originality
Although our "D" isn't what you'd consider "bone stock," we are trying
to keep it as original as possible. The only mods our car has are: an
alarm system that will be easy to remove when we feel it is time, twin
turbos, 2 inch lowering kit, and a slightly custom sound system (stock
deck). All of these modifications were made by the original owner. We
are planning to remove the alarm shortly, and the sound system will
eventually be taken out. The only reason we are keeping the shorter
springs in is because I've heard that is the way they came out of the
factory. We are still debating whether or not to remove the turbos
because our "D" is supposedly an original Legend Turbo car. I'm not sure
if this is true or not because I don't know the whole story on the
turbos, but even if it isn't original with the turbos, we are planning
to leave them in for a while because they just make the car funner to
drive. Anyway, I believe that since DeLoreans are coming up on 20 years
old and will soon be considered classics that they should be kept all
original. But, you do have to keep in mind that they're just cars and if
someone wants to modify their "D" so that it performs better or looks
better to them, they have the right to. My dad and I have even toyed
with the idea of buying a "rough" DeLorean, painting it black, and
dropping a new powerplant in (say... a supercharged American V8). I
would have to agree with the other guy in that it is just a matter of
personal preference and your intent when you buy your "D" (collecting or
want to look good). Well, that's my opinion on the matter :).
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
>From: "Blade Runner" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: originality
>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:43:55 -0500
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>This may be an old point, I really can't remember. I was wondering how
=
>many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =
>shape. I have been reading a lot lately from owners trying to increase
(SNIP)
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:21:33 EST
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
I'd like to add one thing to James's comments on originality
I bought my DeLorean with 2380 miles on it and it has been used primarily
as a
show car (Mainly indoor events). For those of you that know me you know I
take care of the car and maintain it as factory original except the
headliner
which no longer exists.
I was afraid to drive the car because I felt it would depreciate the
value and
ruin the car.
Well, I don't drive it much and in three years have put only 2,450 miles
on it
but THE CAR IS CLEANER, MORE RELIABLE, AND MORE FUN TO ME now by
driving it a bit. I found that with proper steps it is very easy to
maintain
and keep in show condition.
Many of the cars in the Cincinnati Show looked great with even 80,000
miles and up
some needed work but still looked good. We have a unique car that
maintains
its appearance no matter how old it is. With proper care and maintenance
these cars will last forever. (or at least longer than I will)
I am glad I chose a DeLorean for my Hobby
and thank You James for the DML
It has brought a lot of DMC owners together
and I believe has been responsible for larger
DeLorean groups attending car shows and Rallies
PS hopefully soon I will own my second DeLorean
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