dmcnews-digest Sunday, August 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 404
In this issue:
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: Re: Re: More Bugs
DML: Old DeLorean ad on line
DML: DeLorean Mailing List T-Shirt Design Contest
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: keys
DML: Re: rims, dash lights, and mags
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: Re: keys
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: keys
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: DMC #1267 For Sale
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: Real Leather
DML: Re: Old DeLorean ad on line
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Insurance Database (was: Re: Buying a DeLorean)
DML: repainting black windshield header
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: One More Public Note About Insurance
DML: [admin] DeLorean Mailing List Search engine
Re: DML: Antennas
Re: DML: Not so cool!
Re: DML: [admin] DeLorean Mailing List Search engine
Re: DML: repainting black windshield header
DML: Re: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Re: DML: Antennas
DML: Re: POR-15
DML: Re: Alternator or Battery??
DML: Chicago Tech Day 9/19/98
[none]
Re: DML: Insurance Database (was: Re: Buying a DeLorean)
DML: Underbody complete
Re: DML: keys
DML: SS Braided Brake Lines
Re: DML: keys
DML: Dashboard all out of whack!
DML: Re: repainting black windshield header
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
Phillip - My vin# is 7065. The car originally had a front fender mast,
but not for long. I had the telescoping rear fender antenna installed
and capped the original opening with a steel disk (from a plumming
supply, actually). I read that the company switched to static front
antennas in an effort to cut expenses sometime around our vin#'s So far
your vin seems to be the closest to mine in our NG. Anyone near or
between 7065 and 7134 ?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:12:03 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: More Bugs
The idle speed is regulated by the Idle Speed Module and is
NON-ADJUSTABLE.
>From your description is sounds like your idle speed circuit is not
engage.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:25:37 +0000
From: kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Old DeLorean ad on line
Hi everyone.
A co-worker of mine was going through items at his mothers house in
Long Beach and he came across a newspaper. It was an L.A. Times
dated Sunday July 17, 1983. In it, 'Consolidated Automobile & Parts
Distributing Co.' was selling 'factory new' 1983 DeLoreans - List
price: $34,007.00 for ONLY $21,007.00 (I wonder what the extra $7 was
for?).
The part that was really someting was that the cars came with a 12
month/12,000 mile Service Contract and you could get a 5 year/50,000
mile Service Contract (what the heck, I'd go for it! *I wish*). You
could also lease the cars.
I have posted a copy of the ad on my web site on the Special
Documents page.
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
The full picture is 382K so I hope you have a fast connection.
Shrinking it farther or increasing the compression would have just
made a mess of it.
So check out the ad for the DeLorean: 'The Vanishing Breed'.
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:09:46 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Mailing List T-Shirt Design Contest
Prompted by recent discussions on the DeLorean Mailing List, it's been
decided to create and sell a DeLorean Mailing List/DMC-News t-shirt to
benefit the continued existence of the list, 'zine and web site.
This is where you come in! Based on the design specification below as
outlined by our screen printer and the target price we are shooting for,
you're invited to submit a design entry for the new shirt:
Our specification calls for:
1 color breast or short sleeve imprint (MAXIMUM 3 inches wide x 2 inches
tall)
Up to 4 color back (MAXIMUM 11 inches wide by 14 inches tall)
Line drawing or halftone/four color process
Preferred in digital format, at least 150dpi resolution for raster or
continous tone art.
Must show these items:
1) DeLorean sports car
2) the text "DeLorean Mailing List"
3) the text "www.dmcnews.com"
4) the text "Keeping the Dream Alive'
Deadline for entries in September 15, 1998. Send a LOW-RES (72dpi, GIF or
JPEG) copy of your design to:
tshirt@xxxxxxxxxxx
Submissions will be posted at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/shirt.html
The readers of the DeLorean Mailing List will vote for the winning
design.
The winning designer will receive a free shirt and many other great
DeLorean-related prizes to be announced soon. Not to mention the glory
that comes being the winning designer.
Email me with questions....
James Espey
YOU pick the new DeLorean Mailing List T-Shirt Design!
http://www.dmcnews.com/shirt.html
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:27:04 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
At 12:18 AM 8/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I hate to sound like I am trying to burst your bubble but I felt the same
>way
>about D's when I first discovered them on the internet.
>
Reply:
I hate to respond in a contrary manor Stephen but I just don't agree with
your assessment of the D as an affordable daily transportation.
I use my D as my only form of transportation, and while it is true I found
my self stuck away from home, I see this happening every day during both
the morning and afternoon commute to all sorts of cars, new, old, foreign
and domestic.
It has been a few centuries sense I was 19, and I know that the cost for
insurance for 19 year olds seams high, but the fact is that the hand full
of 19 year olds around here with their Beefey Chopped loud nasty Mustangs,
spend many times what I do for upkeep gas, and mechanical repairs.
It's my opinion that any car can be a dependable daily car if taken care
of. Being affordable transportation is retaliative, and there is some
merit
to questioning the use of a sports coupe' as basic transportation, one
could argue that a bicycle is a better choice. When I first got out of the
military I got my self a Citabria (spl) and commuted 120 miles by air each
way to and from work. In those days it was cheaper to fly than drive. My
home was on a uncontrolled county air strip and I worked at SFO.
It 's more a question of personal choice than any thing else, at least as
far as I can see over the years it's the only thing I can see that
explains
why people make such a wide range of transportation choices.
I Like the D for mine.
also just my 2 cents worth
Lee
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:33:03 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: keys
At 11:53 PM 8/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi...I'm quite new to the list and have a quick question...
>
>
>Does anyone know where to get DMC keys either original or remade keys...it
>doesn't really matter which one..they would have to be uncut of course...
>
>if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it...
>
>
>thanks for the time
>
>
>Josh
>
reply:
Hi Josh,
I make DMC Key blanks. These are some where between original and
duplicates. The keys are made in two colors, Black or DMC Gray. They will
fit in most DeLoreans with the "One key fits all locks system". I can also
use any pre-cut key and make it into a DMC key. My keys are
indistinguishable from original keys, but they are new hand made to order
Keys.
If you send me e-mail at lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx I can send you the
information and pictures of the keys.
Lee
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:29:51 -0400
From: chip <chip@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: rims, dash lights, and mags
Joe wrote:
>Chip,
>The power going to your clock and panel lights must go through several
>connections on its way to its final destination. Here's the route. 12v
>from
>your battery goes to fuse No. 8 from there it travels to all of the
>right
>hand side parking lights. The feed than travels through your center
>console
>and stops at the panel light dimmer, from there it goes through the
>headlight switch and the hazard switch and finally ends up at the clock.
>Based on your description there is no power in this circuit. Here's how
>to
>find out; turn on your parking lights and see if the headlight switch
>and
>hazard switches are illuminated. You will probably want to do this in a
>darkened area to more clearly see these lights. If these lights are off
>you
>have no power in the circuit; let me know what you find.
>Joe/DeLorean Services
Well i checked that out and yes the power going to the panel witht the
hazard button, the air conditioning, etc. yes the lights in that part do
work. its just the part of the dash that the speedometer and gas gauge
is on. that is where its dark. what can i do now? thanx for your info
and help.
chip ( only 19 years old too, how special)
vin #1230
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:31:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
My first D - - and '81, VIN 6530 - - had the rear telescoping mast. My
current D - - and '83, Vin 16867 - - also has the telescoping mast.
Neither ever had the fender mount. I always thought those were only on
earlier VIN's, but I guess I was mistaken.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:32 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: keys
Josh,
Keys for the DeLorean are available from lock dealers who stock Taylor
blanks. Other type that will work are Curtis No. BL 1, BL 15, Dominion NE
24 & WB 2. Key blanks are also available at Volvo dealers.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:34 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
My coverage for limited miles through state farm is $125 for a half year.
I don't think that is beyond belief.
Get a better insurance company
I have full coverage and 250 deductable on liability and ) deductable on
collission
Ken
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:35:08 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
QAbsolutely FULL coverage, including way above minimum liability on my D
costs less than the same coverage on my 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
DeLorean insurance coverage is hard to come by in some areas of the
country, but it is not ridculously priced.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:28:02 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Your best bet is to read through the mailing list archives... You will
find all your answers there.
http://www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Neros wrote:
>
> Hello guys. I am new to DeLoreans and to the DML. I was on the Web a few
> days ago when I came across a DeLorean pic, and I suddenly remembered how
> much I'd been in love with them ever since the days of Back to the Future.
><SNIP>
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:31:19 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: keys
Yes.. DML member Lee <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx> has been selling
reproduction DMC Keys. I have not ordered mine yet (Been lazy.. I
Figure I will send it with the check for the Model!) but many have, and
are happy with them.
superfly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Hi...I'm quite new to the list and have a quick question...
>
> Does anyone know where to get DMC keys either original or remade keys...it
> doesn't really matter which one..they would have to be uncut of course...
>
> if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it...
>
> thanks for the time
>
> Josh
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:07:31 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
Danny Smith wrote:
>
> Phillip - My vin# is 7065. The car originally had a front fender mast,
> but not for long. I had the telescoping rear fender antenna installed
> and capped the original opening with a steel disk (from a plumming
> supply, actually). I read that the company switched to static front
> antennas in an effort to cut expenses sometime around our vin#'s So far
> your vin seems to be the closest to mine in our NG. Anyone near or
> between 7065 and 7134 ?
I own vin 002981/August 81. It came with the fixed mast on the right
front fender. Several months after purchasing the car in October 1981,
we recieved a flyer that showed how to install the automatic antenna in
the left rear fender.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:13:36 -0500
From: "HAMER, PAUL F" <phamer@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC #1267 For Sale
My friend has decided to sell his 1981 DMC. He is the original owner,
it has 24,500 miles and he is asking $17,500. Black interior, black
dash cover (no cracks in the dash, always garaged), black sheepskin seat
covers (no tears in seats), fuel door on deck lid (makes those windy day
fuelings a lot easier), original DMC floor mats, all recall updates,
wide black side striping, cruise control, custom exhaust with no cats
(lots more power with an engine that can breath), metal coolant tank
(still has the plastic one), stop light on rear louvre, European Halogen
driving lights, original DMC luggage rack, original DMC ski rack (never
used), smoke headlight covers, DMC front bra, parts manual, shop manual,
custom whale tail rear spoiler, never driven in snow, no rust on frame,
price also includes almost all (85%) DeLorean World Magazines. Car is
located in Omaha, Nebraska.
If interested, please contact Bill Sims at 800-373-1084 or 402-331-1084
or email him at simscal@xxxxxxx
Paul Hamer
20913
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:12 -0700
From: "Dan" <DBerglund@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
I read that the company switched to static front
>antennas in an effort to cut expenses sometime around our vin#'s So far
>your vin seems to be the closest to mine in our NG. Anyone near or
>between 7065 and 7134 ?
>
I'm not the original owner of my car but I have a power antenna (in the
rear) and my Vin is #6623 - Nov. 81. I have also seen other cars around
that
vin with the power antenna.
It was my understanding that the antenna's went from the windshield type
to
the mast and then to the power antenna in the rear.
Dan Berglund
#6623
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:31:49 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Real Leather
A short update:
For list of 100 members and all others interested. It is now possible that
The Limited edition Delorean Kit models may include "real leather
upholstery throughout".
As chance would have it a saddle maker opened a shop just 3 blocks away,
and while chatting with the saddle maker I learned that he had quite an
inventory of leather which might be suitable for making 1/24 scale
DeLorean
interiors.
I will follow up on this as soon as I have worked out the details...Hum
mouse hide seats!....I wonder?
BTW there will be no change in Kit prices........for full details check
the
DMC message board next week.
Lee
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:41:31 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Old DeLorean ad on line
Ken,
For a period of time the factory sticker price was $34,000. Consolidated
is
what became Kapac and is now DMC Houston. This was the company that took
over the operation of DMC while it was in receivership. At that time they
were considering continuing operation of the company after John Z. was out
of the picture. The $34,000 figure is what was considered as the market
value of the car, the $21,000 figure was the break even price that would
allow Consolidated to sell the cars without loosing any additional
money's.
Here's an additional side note, in October of 1983 the cars were
advertised
at $18,995, imagine just purchasing your DeLorean at the sticker price and
than seeing this ad in the newspaper.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:10:13 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
I'm sure that within the next few days there will be many reply's to your
comments, let me be among the first. If you have a good driving record
insurance for your DeLorean should be relatively affordable, of course age
is a big factor. I must disagree with your comment about the "D" being an
affordable daily driver. Between 1987 and 1991 I used my "D" everyday for
my 48 mile commute to and from work. During those four years the car was
100% reliable. The car, with over 250,000 mi. is now retired for Back To
The Future cooperate functions, film and TV.
The bottom line is the DeLorean is a specialty car and like any other
specialty car you should expect to pay more for insurance and upkeep, but
compared to other cars in it's class it is extremely reliable and
affordable.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, steve r wrote:
> A DeLorean really doesn't make the greatest car if you want an
> affordable daily driver. I called the insurance company and the prices
> for full coverage are beyond belief.
It's only a matter of time, of course, before the obligatory disagreements
start coming in.
One of the things that is mystifying me is why insurance rates for D's
varies so greatly from one policy to another. Some people, apparently,
have D's that they use for their daily drivers with dirt cheap insurance,
and others couldn't get anyone to insure their D even if they promised to
take the wheels off and store it under glass.
The disparity disturbs me.
It's one thing to go out on a limb and buy a D, but it's quite another to
do so and then not be able to drive it. That would really upset me.
(although here in CO, it's only 4 points if you get caught without
insurance, so just try not to wreck it... }:) )
Therefore, I would like to assemble a database of all the D owners that
have managed to get their cars insured, and aren't upset by telling the
world how they did it. I would like to obtain the following information
from the various D owners. Obviously if any of the questions bother you,
then just don't answer them :) :
What model D you have and whether you have put any insurance-eating
modifications (turbo, nitrous, super-sound, flux capacitor) into it. If
so, how much of an effect did this have on your quote, if you know. One
other question: Does lowering the front on the D raise the insurance
rates?
Age, sex, family/marriage status and homeowner status
Where you live. In particular what state, but also whether you live in
the city or in a rural area, and if so, which city.
What your driving record is like. Anyone that wants to would make me
happy if they told me specifically how many tickets and accidents, if any,
you have.
What other vehicles you own, if any, and which one is your "primary"
driver.
What flavor of insurance you have. Is your D insured for standard, full
coverage? Do you have mileage or usage restrictions?
What sort of car your insurance company claims you have. It's probably
not an SUV or a pickup, but did they insist on calling it a "sports car"
or did you convince them that it's a coupe or some generic category?
If you considered other vehicles in the same class as the D, what did the
insurance companies tell you they would cost?
And of course, how much all this costs you, per vehicle.
Who is your insurance company.
Once I get a reasonable number of responses, I will post the statistics up
on a web page somewhere. Best would probably be to reply in email, to
avoid deluging the list.
> If you want a D I suggest you look into getting one as a second car. You
> shouldn't try to rely on a D as your primary means of transportation.
On this subject: What will the insurance companies "believe" you are using
as your primary car? Suppose I hang on to my Geo Metro that I have been
driving for the past few years and decide to buy a D to go along with it.
Will an insurance company look at me sideways considering that the D is
worth approximately ten times as much? :}
(and yes, I actually am in this position)
> I was going to get myself a cheap car for wile I am still in high school
So, get yourself a cheap car. Honda Civics and Geo Metros (old ones
anyway) are excellent. When you're ready to get a D, sell it. most
likely if it is in good shape it will be worth about as much as you paid
for it. Insurance on these little cars is cheap, you only need the
minimum, and they won't bankrupt you at the fuel pump, either. I've found
that they're almost as cheap to own as a bus pass considering that nothing
ever goes wrong with them. In other words they are about as unlike a D as
you can possibly get. :}
> by the time it is ready to drive. If I were you I would not try to use
> a D as a daily driver because of maintenance costs and insurance costs.
Based on what I have seen on the list, I would recommend the D as a daily
driver only to someone who knows how to maintain it and stops things from
breaking before they happen. A new radiator, new alternator, fanzilla, or
whatever, can easily be installed on a Sunday by someone who enjoys
working on their car. (and who else would want a D?) I can't think of
very many things that could go wrong on a well-maintained D that COULDN'T
be fixed on a weekend, before they leave you stranded...
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 11:56:49 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance Database (was: Re: Buying a DeLorean)
Bill Wilson wrote:
>Therefore, I would like to assemble a database of all the D owners that
>have managed to get their cars insured, and aren't upset by telling the
>world how they did it. I would like to obtain the following information
>from the various D owners. Obviously if any of the questions bother you,
>then just don't answer them :) :
An excellent idea. My information is being sent to you via email. I
encourage the other DML'ers to do the same.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:05:07 -0500
From: olsond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (David Olson)
Subject: DML: repainting black windshield header
Any advice on how to repaint the black windshield header that sits across
the front windshield? My has become quite faded. Can it be removed and
simply sprayed with a flat black paint?
David
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:26:19 EDT
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
Dan is right. I have vin #1273 and have the windshield embedded antenna.
I
understand that JZD earned his wings at Pontiac partually by coming up
with
that idea. Its nice not screwing up the lines of the car with an antenna.
Too bad it doesn't have more poop.
Hey, welcome back raddad. How about a few word regarding you adventure?
Best
regards, Joe
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:54:50 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: One More Public Note About Insurance
Before the discussion of insurance ends, I just want to point out that
today I have excellent coverage on my DeLorean for a moderate price.
But when I was a teenager my insurance cost A LOT more for a car that
was worth a lot less.
>From my experience, insurance companies charge reasonable rates to
insure DeLoreans. However, they charge exorbitant rates to insure
teenaged males.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 13:11:22 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] DeLorean Mailing List Search engine
Ijust got a report that a user could not get the new search engine to
work with Explorer, but could with Netscape. Anyone else have this
experience?
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:14:58 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
In a message dated 8/21/98 2:55:44 AM GMT, you write:
<< Can someone please tell me the VIN #s where the antenna styles
changed? I
have VIN # 7134 and it has the antenna on the front fender. Is this
right?
There is no evidence that there was ever an electric antenna on the
rear. >>
In July 1981 it was acknowledged by the factory that in certain
geographical
areas such as valleys, high buildings, distances from radio stations etc.
radio reception of selected stations might be impeded. To improve radio
reception in such areas, an outside, fender mounted antenna (DMC Part
#A5000001) was introduced and offered
free of charge to DeLorean owners with poor radio reception.
In September 1981 and as of VIN #2711 the windshield antenna was excluded
and
an external radio antenna was mounted on the front fender.
In December 1981 it was decided by the factory to install all cars with a
fully automatic rear mounted radio antenna (DMC Part 111292).
Robert Lamrock
BELFAST
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:45:27 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Not so cool!
Folks,
If you have your A/C system "evacuated" with a vacuum pump (which you
should
at reapairs), you should also have a set of manifold gauges connected to
the
system. As you vacuum, you will see that the gauges will go down towards
"0"
and then beyond on both the "high" and the "low" side dials.
After evacuating 20 minutes or longer and if you "shut" the vacuum pump,
the
gauges should read way below the "0" marks on both high and low side
dials.
If the needle "creeps" upwards on either the high or low side, you HAVE A
LEAK
somewhere in your system. Forget about refilling with any freon. Find
the
leak by tighten, repair or replace the problem area or component to get
the
system to hold a TOTAL vacuum! Then fill with freon. That is it!!!
Do this correctly any you will have no more troubles other wise see your
A/C
problems again the next year?
Remember, air plus freon creates hydrochloric acid, so your system will
corrode from inside out, very expensive from there on.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:59:35 -0600
From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: [admin] DeLorean Mailing List Search engine
James,
I tested MS Internet Explorer 4.0, Netscape Communicator 4.04, and
Netscape Navigator 3.0 and they all work perfectly.
BTW, the new search engine is great!
Greg Guillot
VIN #2926
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On 21 Aug 98 at 13:11, James Espey wrote:
> Ijust got a report that a user could not get the new search engine to
> work with Explorer, but could with Netscape. Anyone else have this
> experience?
>
> James Espey
> Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
> http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:35:27 EDT
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: repainting black windshield header
Before you do anything serious, try using Mother's Back to Black, Turtle
Wax's
Black Chrome or simular product. They seem to renew the color and have
done
wonders on all the black, painted surfaces on my car. Regards, Joe
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:40 -0700
From: Mostafa Sayed <phoenixl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
I was too dissappointed by the book's remarks, obviously he hadn't done
his
homework, well the remark about DeLoreans design being old before it's
time is
completely wrong, take a look at a DeLorean and compare it to all the
other cars
of the eighties going into the early ninties, the DeLorean was the
standard of
design for the eighties, the sharp corners are a big similarity. Well, if
the
DeLoreans were old before it's time, then that would be the same for the
Camaro
which design lasted into 1991, volkswagon scirrocco, BMW M-1, and many
other cars
of the eighties, I'm sorry but this car was designed by the world's
foremost and
best auto designer, Guigiaro. I don't think he threw the design together
in two
days.
Mostafa
http://members.tripod.com/~Phoenix007/
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:44:56 EDT
From: Phillip124@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Antennas
It is very confusing to try to decide what style of antenna was the
original
style for your car's VIN# considering all of the owner/dealer
modifications
and factory recalls that have taken place since they rolled off of the
assembly line. Do you suppose that this is an important aspect to a
collector
or a Concours Judge? Would they want an original antenna or a factory
recall
antenna in place? There are so many cars that do not have their original
antenna that came from the factory in place today.
Personally I think that the electric antenna adds prestige and quality to
the
car since generally electric antennas are found on more expensive cars
today.
We don't want to make our cars look like they are primitively equipped
with
standard fixed mast antennas on the right front fender if we can possibly
avoid it. What do you guys thing about this issue?
Phillip
VIN#7134
P.S. I am looking forward to seeing you guys at the convention! My car
is
already in L.A.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 23:54:19 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: POR-15
"Eric Pullen" <knight@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
>I have had experience with POR-15. I have used it to fix a rusting
>floorpan. I can't say enough good stuff about this product. It creates a
>very strong chemical bond between the metal and the paint. It prevents
>any further deterioration and can fix holes as large as a softball (with some
>help from their fiberglass/putty arrangement). It is also VERY easy to
>use. (Just don't forget those gloves, as the stuff will stick with you
FOREVER
>if you let it get on you!)
Some additional info - this material is also available as "Wurth's Rust
Guard". The active ingrediant is "polyisocyanate" - the same active
ingredient as Krazy Glue. (Note the "cyanate" part - you don't wanna
breath this stuff). Wurth is a provider of professional body shop
supplies, if you need to find their local distributor just ask a body
shop near you. I was able to mail order it directly as well
(www.wurthusa.com - hit "chemicals"). I have been told that the Wurth's
product is a little bit heavier consistency than POR15, but I have not
opened up my can of POR 15 to find out for myself. The instruction labels
on the cans are identical, so I'd suspect that they come from the same
manufacturer. The only drawback to this stuff is the color. Choices are
pretty limited. I just painted over it with Rustoleum "Dark Machine
Grey", it matches the frame about as good as you'll get. It's also
frightfully expensive from either vendor.
No kidding on the gloves, I use surgical gloves and still always manage
to spend about a week with strange black markings on my arms.
I'm trying another test as well - I used the leftover stuff from my DMC
frame project to paint the brake calipers on my SHO. I'll let you know
how that holds up as well. I expect the color to fade a little from the
sun, but so far it looks pretty good after a few weeks.
Another interesting note - Wurth also sells those wierd German hose
clamps that match the original Delorean clamps, if you want to maintain
original everything.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:56:12, -0500
From: HJGT93A@xxxxxxxxxxx (MR JOSEPH NAPOLI)
Subject: DML: Re: Alternator or Battery??
Joe,
Thanks for the response.
Could you recommend an alternative to the Ducellier that would "plug
and play" with out special mechanical add-ons.
Thanks
Joe
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 23:54:13 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Chicago Tech Day 9/19/98
The Delorean Midwest Connection Club has scheduled its fall Tech Day for
Saturday September 19th in Naperville IL. We'll have Stephen Wynne of DMC
Houston giving Inspections and Advice. We'll also be doing general
maintanance - oil changes etc. There will be a nominal charge to cover
the facility, and you need to be a club member. Please contact Don "The
Silver Fox" Gowler (CFP01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) or Dave Swingle
(dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx) for details.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:02:56 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: [none]
Phillip124@xxxxxxx wrote:
(Snip)
> It is very confusing to try to decide what style of antenna was the
> original Do you suppose that this is an important aspect to a collector
> or a Concours Judge? Would they want an original antenna or a factory
> recall antenna in place?
> We don't want to make our cars look like they are primitively equipped with
> standard fixed mast antennas on the right front fender if we can possibly
> avoid it. What do you guys thing about this issue?
>
> Phillip
> VIN#7134
There are two reasons that I have not replaced the fixed mast antenna on
the front fender with the power antenna.
1) The power antenna is expensive to buy and to replace.
2) The hole left by the fixed antenna needs to be plugged, either with a
snap in plug (ugly) or by welding and refinishing the fender.
The fixed mast antenna works very well, at least for me and is cheap to
replace ($10 - $15). I also unscrew the mast and store it in the car
when I am not driving it.
There were several different fixed masts used on the cars. I'm sure
that many were replaced when the car arrived stateside or were replaced
by the dealers with whatever was on hand.
Scott Mueller
vin 002981
Aug 1981
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:49:47 -0400
From: "R. Starling" <doctor280@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance Database (was: Re: Buying a DeLorean)
When purchasing any new car I always start by checking into what the
insurance is going to cost. What I found on a Delorean is that it will
cost
me about the same as my 93 Jeep Wangler, $250.00 every 6 months. I have
Nationwide insurance and the best way that I found, in my opinion, is to
insure it by what is called stated value. This is done by getting your
vehicle appraised, by someone who is experienced with the vehicle that you
have chosen. ( This can be done by the club that you are a member of or
someone like Stephen Wynne ) Present the appraisal to your agent and he or
she should be able to draw up the policy. I was using the figure of
$20,000.00 and that is how my agent was able to provide me with the
$250.00
every six months price. This type of insurance does not limit the mileage
that can be put on your vehicle, but it will limit your claim to
$20,000.00
if you need to repair or replace your vehicle, if you go out and crash it.
These prices were based on my outstanding driving record and discounts
that
I receive by insuring my house with the same company )
I would also like to take the time to think Stephen Wynne, the owner of
DMC
of Houston, for taken the time to speak to me about what I should look for
when purchasing a Delorean. He saved me from making a big mistake when I
was
considering purchasing a local Delorean. Although what he told me did not
make me the happiest person in the world ( set my plans for a purchase of
a
D back until April of this coming year ) , it was what I needed to hear
and
know. I was very impressed by his candor and I will be purchasing my
future
Delorean from DMC of Houston. Thanks again, Stephen.
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:05:08 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Underbody complete
List of 100,
Will be happy to hear that the underbody for the 1/24th scale DeLorean
kits is done. There will be pictures posted some time over the week end.
The Underbody is easily recognized by it's brown color. The example shown
in the photo is made of brown carving wax.
For any one interested in the difference between a mass produced plastic
car model and out limited edition, check out the pictures of the limited
edition. You will see detail that rarely appears in mass plastic model car
kits.
A few features found in the limited edition can be seen in the latest
pictures. Look for the spare well and fuel bay with it's strange little
curves. There are also the triangular air strut mounts and access doors to
the brakes and steering gear. In addition the dash and binnacle, accessory
housing and padded dash cushions and of course glove box.The rear window
is
solid, this is cut out during assembly, the engine CVR is in place with
louvers removed. To show the relative shapes of things the floor panel and
seats are set in place just for comparison. Just like the full sized
DeLorean most of this detail will be hidden with doors and hood closed.
Lee
81DMC-12
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:54:35 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: keys
Josh,
I can get key blanks just as I did for a gentleman who lives in Germany.
These blanks are available in a black plastic handle or regular flat
blanks.
I think you can get them locally also. Try a large locksmith with
foreign car
keys facilities.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D NY
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:02:09 EDT
From: WINGD2@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: SS Braided Brake Lines
The response for the SS braided brake line kits has been very good. In
order
to not keep those who want kits waiting any longer then required, we're
going
to finalize the total number of kits to be made by the middle of next
week.
If anyone else wants in on this project, I need to hear from you by
Wednesday
the 26th.
E-mail me at: WINGD2@xxxxxxx
Thanks, Marty
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:39:14 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: keys
At 05:54 PM 8/22/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Josh,
>
>I can get key blanks just as I did for a gentleman who lives in Germany.
>These blanks are available in a black plastic handle or regular flat
>blanks.
>I think you can get them locally also. Try a large locksmith with
>foreign car
>keys facilities.
>
>Kayo Ong
>#05508
>Lic. 9D NY
>
reply:
Are the key blanks you can get DMC key blanks or just keys that may fit a
DMC lock or ignition and if they are actual DMC key blanks how much are
they?
Lee
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:30:57 -0700
From: "Sean R. Manning" <mannings@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dashboard all out of whack!
Hi there-->
Pretty much every dial on my dashboard doesn't work right. Of course my
speedometer is hosed, that's a given. It bounces around the actual speed
and just won't sit still. The fuel gage is stuck at 1/2. The tach is
stuck at 1000rpm. Finally, the oil pressure never goes all the way to the
bottom, even when turned off and when the car is moving it zings up to the
top. I'm just looking for some free advice top point me in the right
direction on any of these issues so that I don't have to tear up every one
of these systems looking for the source of the problem. Thanks a bunch.
:)
Sean Manning
VIN#1932
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:40:43 -0400
From: "Joe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: repainting black windshield header
David,
Yes; use Krylon Semi-Flat Black.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: David Olson <olsond@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: repainting black windshield header
> Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 3:05 PM
>
> Any advice on how to repaint the black windshield header that sits across
> the front windshield? My has become quite faded. Can it be removed and
> simply sprayed with a flat black paint?
> David
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