dmcnews-digest Friday, August 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 403
In this issue:
DML: RE: Re: Not So Cool!
Re: DML: Wrecked D for sale
RE: DML: DMC in TV
DeLorean in Wedding Singer (was Re: DML: DMC in TV)
DML: Re: DeLorean Toys found at FleaMarket!
Re: DML: Re: Frame
DML: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
DML: RE: RE: Re: Not so cool!
DML: More Bugs
Re: DML: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
DML: 140 Speedos
DML: Idle/Overheating problems
DML: Re: More Bugs
DML: Re: Not so cool!
Re: DML: tires
DML: Re: Paint Type/Color
DML: Not so cool!
DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
DML: Corrections to Factory Parts Manual
Re: DML: Re: Not so cool!
Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
DML: Loose Shock
DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Re: DML: Not So Cool!
DML: Re: More Bugs
DML: Re: Idle/Overheating problems
DML: Re: Roof Light + Door Switch
DML: Re: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Re: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Re: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
Re: DML: Two De Leloreans at Auburn 98 Collector Car Auction
DML: Deloreans in Settlement
DML: Buying a DeLorean
DML: Antennas
DML: keys
Re: DML: tires
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Support DMCnews
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:38:17 -0600
From: "Aaron Barrus" <asbarrus@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Re: Not So Cool!
With all the talk of A/C conversions, I can't help but add my own
comments =
since I've played with different ideas. I have seen r134 conversions,
and =
none offer satisfactory results. It will cause your a/c to work twice as
=
hard and produce inferior results. New cars that are built with r134
from =
the factory still aren't nearly as competent as our old r12 systems.
When r12 first became restricted, I took the a/c certification test (now =
it's only $20, and can be taken over the internet. I have more info if =
anybody is interested). I bought an r12 substitute which actually =
outperforms r12 and it's given me great results for years.
It's true that many r12 substitues contain butane, the one I use contains
=
2%. This is mainly for lubrication. Butane alone will ignite, but as a =
mixture of 2% it is completely non flammable. The problem can arise if =
you have a leaky system. The lighter components will leak out of the
a/c, =
leaving the butane behind. Then if you "top off" constantly, the =
percentage of butane increases, and eventually does become flammable =
(after about 10 refills). Of course, a proper system shouldn't need =
constant topping off. Additionally, if after a few years it has become =
nessisary a few times, the system can be drained and refilled to avoid
the =
problem. Or use a substitute that doesn't contain butane - there are =
plenty available. This is still cheaper than R12, and a heck of a lot =
COLDer than r134. My "low side" pipe has icecles on it, and my vent
temps =
are mid 30's on a 100 degree day sitting in the sun!
Aaron
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 9:31:14 -0600
From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wrecked D for sale
The owner of the car will sell for no less than $3500.00. I told him
that I was quoted $2500.00, but he said he didn't know where I got
that figure from.
There are a lot of good parts on the car, but for what I need, I
can't justify spending $3500.00, plus the taxes, and the $150.00
bucks to have the car hauled to a storage area. It might be worth it
if there are some folks out there who need a complete engine, set of
rims, windshield, door, rear quarter panel, etc. If these parts are
sold for half (or less) than new, it might total up enough to make it
worthwhile for me to go through the trouble of purchasing, moving,
disassembling, and shipping the parts. I would have to have
committments from enough people, though.
If enough people are interested, I will go back and photograph the
car and place the pictures on the web. Then, if enough folks want the
parts and are willing to commit to it, I might go through the trouble
of purchasing it.
Greg Guillot
VIN #2926
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On 18 Aug 98 at 16:01, steve r wrote:
> Greg, you did mention that it is worth $3,500 in its current condition.
> Is the man still asking $2,500 for it or did he get gready and go up on
> the price?
>
> Greg Guillot wrote:
>
> > Over the weekend, I had a chance to take a look at a wrecked D, (VIN
> > #1205 - Automatic, black int., gas flap) that was mentioned by Steven
> > Rice on the List several days ago.
> (SNIP)
> > I had thought about buying the car myself and parting it out, but
> > only if I could recoup my costs quickly. If you are interested in any
> > part of this car, let me know and I can tell you whether or not I
> > think the part is salvageable.
> >
> > Greg Guillot
> > VIN #2926
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:26:09 -0400
From: "Laflotte, Duane" <dlaflott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: DMC in TV
Isnt the Delorean in the Wedding singer also?
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:00:57 -0400
From: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DeLorean in Wedding Singer (was Re: DML: DMC in TV)
Yes it is. I captured the video of the door opening. It had a big bold
stripe on it, and a very good working stero. It was called a fancy
car. And the rich owner was telling his fiance not to puke in the car.
Sean
Laflotte, Duane wrote:
> Isnt the Delorean in the Wedding singer also?
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:17:24 -0500
From: "time@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <time@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Toys found at FleaMarket!
A picture of the unusual DeLorean "Space Patrol" toy car Shannon Yocom
described is now posted on BTTF.COM if anyone wants to see what it looks
like. Thanks!
http://www.bttf.com/catalog/superdmc.jpg
To Be Continued...
Stephen M. Clark, Fan Club Representative
Back to the Future=99...The Fan Club
P.O. Box 880
Athens, AL 35612-0880 U.S.A.
Phone/Fax: (256) 757-7979
E-mail: time@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web Site: http://www.bttf.com/
_________________________________________________________________________
"Is this the '50s, or 1999?"
FutureFest '99 -- Hill Valley's first BTTF Convention is coming!
http://www.bttf.com/futurefest/
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:24:09 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Frame
Folks,
Mr. Lee Seiler is a professional (technician or better?) and is not
giving all
the details on the arts and craft besides the technical approach in doing
a
welding job. He has his certification on this subject!
Welding is easy once you bet the "hang of it." Safety precaution is a
must.
As professional technician like myself, the precautions from industry and
other safety standards are "known." It was part of our training in our
earlier years of in these fields and related areas. If you were trained
in
this area, you too would know and not ask the "precaution or preparations"
stages before do a welding procedure. Many of you are laymen and expect
down
to the detail in performing these projects. ALL precautions are already
known
before proceeding such an operation.
All welding job on a DeLorean for frame work should be done with the body,
engine and fuel tank removed from the CHASSIS. If you have that much
rust or
extensive damage, treat it as a big time project, don't approach it as a
"paste along" project.
Wrong precaution with welding? Heard of the "learn by burn" line? That
will
occur during welding. After welding the "new" areas, how is the
"worthiness"
of the welded areas? In other words, welding that is "correct" welding,
or
"chicken sh*t" welding? I have seen welding jobs done buy quote
"professionals." Certifiable work? Forget about it. Anyway, you get the
message.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
This welding project is a little deep for those of you who never have
experience in this area. For those who knows with facilities and
equipments,
it is easy, for those who lacks, it is not and possibly dangerous.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:09:32 -0400
From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
I too have the 170 MPH speedo, from Rob Grady though. I have seen no =
difference from the old one. It is very accurate and looks good to =
boot. I was considering the 140 for a time, but my last car show =
changed my mind. At a local show I was surrounded by several kids who =
wanted to look in my car. They were amazed when I told them they could =
sit in it as well. The last one in was a younger kid ( maybe 7 or 8). =
While looking the car over he noticed the old 85 MPH speedo and asked =
"is that all the faster it will go, that's pretty slow." Right then and =
there my ego blasted through and decided to buy the higher one, mostly =
for looks. =20
Just my thoughts though.
John L. Stiefel, II
DMC Vin: #3461
Licence: Flux1
Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:49:38 -0700
From: "Dennis Chang" <dennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: RE: Re: Not so cool!
Richard:
>system was empty so I couldn't tell where the leak >was. I imagine that
>about the best solution will be to put a vacuum >pump on the system. I'll
>have to evacuate it anyway. Any other suggestions >are welcome (as long as
>they are of reasonable cost).
Better be a strong vacuum pump to test for leaks. Because of the
high temps and high pressures that the R12 may be under when
the leak occurs, the hole/gap may not be revealed by the vacuum
test, which probably will be at much lower pressures.
I don't know what an AC guy would recommend here, but I do know
that vacuum testing has its limitations. Maybe they would just use
highly compressed air...
Dennis Chang
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:54:57 -0400
From: "yugoman" <mdrig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: More Bugs
My windows go down but have to pop the cap off and use a pen to raise
them.Do any suppliers have new switches? Also I have the battery cover
off,
all the surrounding plywood appears solid. Does the fanzilla go somewhere
in
this area, or am I looking in the wrong place? Also is there any way to
cut
a door key without destroyind the little ring around the lock? My car only
has an ignition switch:(
Thanks for the help, I'm sure there'll be more bugs to come......
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:02:47 EDT
From: SoundKillr@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
In a message dated 8/19/98 2:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chip@xxxxxxxx
writes:
<< was looking around through the pictures from the show in Cincinatti
and finally noticed how shiny and new everybodys rims looked. mine are
in excellent shape but i think they need to be cleaned. bad. cause
they're dark! does anybody know the best way to clean these things?
>>
Early cars came with dark grey wheels as later cars came with lighter
wheels......It sounds like you have an early car....and your wheels are
supposed to be dark grey
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:19:42 EDT
From: WINGD2@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: 140 Speedos
James was correct in his explanation of the re-calibration of the
Delorean speedo. The speedo cable from the angle drive unit on the left
front
wheel drives, or rotates, two things inside the speedo. One is a set of
gears,
which are different in the MPH unit vs the KMH unit. All these gears do
is
turn the odometer and trip meter drums over to display milage. The MPH
speedo
records miles and the KMH speedo records kilometers, thus the different
gearing. These gears have nothing to do with the turning of the speedo
needle,
and thus nothing to do with speed calibration.
The second thing the cable rotates is a little arm with magnets at both
ends. This arm rotates inside, but does not touch, a drum type unit. On
the
other side of this drum is attached a very small wire pin which projects
thru
the speedo face plate. The speedo needle is pushed onto this wire pin and
moves as the drum moves. Movement of this drum and it's attached needle is
done by the magnetic field created as the magnets spin on the end of the
speedo cable inside the drum. If the speedo cable was attached either
directly
or with gears to the speedo needle, the speedo needle would go around and
around the same as the cable does. This drum also has a big "watch " type
spring attached to it which returns the needle towards zero as the speedo
cable slows down.
Calibration of this speedometer is accomplished by adjusting the
strength
of the magnets in relation to the drum and return spring. This is where a
special machine is required at a speedo shop. By going thru all the math
involving tire sizes, angle gear drive reduction, cable speed, etc. I've
been
able to determine the correct calibration information required to reset
the
speedo to the new 140mph faces. ( This info is included in the
instructions,
so you can give it to the people who do your calibration. ) The
calibration
is performed and adjusted until the speedo reads accurately across it's
entire
range. It is normally checked for accuracy at 20 - 30 mph increments.
After having done over a dozen of these conversions, we have found
that the
Delorean speedo is built such that this re-calibration is easily
accomplished
and well within the range of the stock speedo parts. We have only had to
replace the return spring in one unit ( with a different rate spring )
,and it
really appeared to be due to age and fatigue of the old spring. I have
converted a couple of NEW 85mph Speedos ( zero miles ) and found both
units
to be very easy to do and accurate.
Joe, send me your shipping address and I'll be happy to send a
sample 140
face for you to try. Marty
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:38:50 -0000
From: Rodney E Jenkins <dmc1226@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Idle/Overheating problems
Hi,
This email is for my sister in law. She has a Delorean that has had many
problems. She would like technical information on the car and also do you
recommend anyone in the Jacksonville Florida area that has experience and
knowledge to work on her Delorean. Also, do you have any back issues
regarding ruff idling and over heating. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Her address is Rose Iturra, 8275 Coralberry Lane,
Jacksonville FL 32244. Or you can email me back at
dmc1226@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks,
Rodney Jenkins
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:32:42 -0400
From: "yugoman" <mdrig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: More Bugs
Forgot the main question on my last post! Car still has a high, uneven
(surging) idle. I believe someone posted a similar problem a while back,
and said they reduced the idle speed and it cleared up. How do I adjust
the
idle speed? Car is an automatic. Thanks!!
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:18:59 -0400
From: Cirillo Ronald A NUWCDIVNPT <CirilloRA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Not so cool!
Dennis,
I can tell you for sure that a vacuum test will not necessarily
find your leak. I have had a few systems that have held vacuum all
night but would leak when the system is pressurized. I have made an
adapter that allows me to pressurize the system to approximately 100 psi
and I have never failed to find a leak using this method. A word of
caution about doing this. The introduction of air can bring
contaminates into the system and you could end up with a bigger problem
than you started with. I use an oil less compressor to perform this
task. After I have found and fixed the leak, I evacuate the system for
an hour. This is to insure that all water vapor (from the humidity in
the air) has boiled off. I have never encountered a problem in using
this method. Every system that I have fixed has functioned perfectly.
Ron
> ----------
>
> Richard:
>
> >system was empty so I couldn't tell where the leak >was. I imagine that
> >about the best solution will be to put a vacuum >pump on the system. I'll
> >have to evacuate it anyway. Any other suggestions >are welcome (as long as
> >they are of reasonable cost).
>
> Better be a strong vacuum pump to test for leaks. Because of the
> high temps and high pressures that the R12 may be under when
> the leak occurs, the hole/gap may not be revealed by the vacuum
> test, which probably will be at much lower pressures.
>
> I don't know what an AC guy would recommend here, but I do know
> that vacuum testing has its limitations. Maybe they would just use
> highly compressed air...
>
> Dennis Chang
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:17:26 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: tires
To everyone that I promised a response,
This is about my Pirelli P600 tires. It started out when I was in dire
need
for a set of tires. Some time back in late May there were postings by me
about tires. My Dunlops were prematurely worn due to a bad hub. I need
a set
of replacement tires to go to the Cincinnati Meet back in June 12 to 14 of
1998. There were many postings to help out in search with many
suggestions on
different tires from different manufactures.
There were none available in the correct size, the speed rating or the
same
brand for the fronts and rears. They had either front or rears, no
matching
sets!
I was at first in the market for Yokohamas, of any model they made. I
searched across the country and none was available. Working with the Tire
Rack company and then with the USA distributor of Yokohama's turned out
to be
fruitless.
One company in NYC where I lived did happen to find the right "correct"
sizes,
the speed rating and match fronts and rears for the DeLorean. They were
the
Pirellis P600s.
I have them on my DeLorean for the last 90 days and I have over 4,000
miles on
them. I even went to the Cincinnati meet on them. They were great going
from
NYC to Cincinnati and back. It rained -- it rained hard traveling to the
meet
one night. They were good in the rain. Speaking about rain? It rained
hard
at the meet one night. Remembered the rain at the meet?
Except for snow (no snow yet), they are doing a fantastic job. Much,
better
then the Goodyear's NTCs that I had previous. They were much, much better
then the Dunlops that they did replaced. The Pirellis are excellent on
high
speeds -- best yet. They are smooth. Not much road noise. Good on
handling.
Good on fast small or large turns. Good on raining wet roads (what a
difference from the others tires, no more white knuckles) and they have
sticking and stopping abilities, wet or dry! No more shimming from the
front
and or vibrations all around.
The Dunlops always had vibrations no matter how many times I balanced them
dynamic or otherwise. No more vibrations, that alone is worth all the
money
spent. I recommend the Pirellis due to my experiences over the Goodyear
NTCs
and Dunlops that I had on my DeLorean. I have not had the pleasure to
have
the Yokohamas on my DeLorean. Until I do, Pirellis is the best over the
Goodyear's NTC and Dunlops. It was like driving a new DeLorean with the
Pirellis -- NEW FEELING TO AN OLD CAR!
So those of you whom I promise to posted my findings, there you have it
and
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN HELPING ME WITH INFO AND YOUR
EXPERIENCES POSTED.
Kayo Ong
#05508
LIc 9D NY
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:46:20 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Paint Type/Color
Brad,
The paint your looking for is Krylon Semi-Flat Black.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:38:01 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Not so cool!
If I remember correctly, the freon leaked out pretty quickly, and could
be heard leaking. If the leak is that bad, it is most likely one of the
O rings.
Try pulling vacuum, and listen for hissing at all of the joints. If you
find the leaking one, fix it and pull vacuum again. If it looks like it
is fixed, let it sit for 30 mins or so, and make sure the vacuum level
remains constant. If it does, you should be OK.
If you cant find the leak with this method, you will need to bring it in
to a mechanic with the proper tools to find leaks. Normally what they
do is pump a very small amount of freon in to the system, and use a
electronic sniffer to find the leak. If the leak is still too small to
be detected, they will charge the system and add a small amount of dye.
Run the system for a day or so, and then look for the dye with a black
light. I don't think the dye will be necessary in your case because the
leak was fast.
If you do find a bad O ring, you may want to go ahead and replace all of
them with the newer R134a rings. Even though you are sticking with
R-12, the R134a rings are designed to hold more pressure.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:07 -0400
From: John Heflin <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Never believe this book!!
I have something to say about that book, I recieved it for a gift, but
was VERY disapointed at the the comments made about the DeLorean. It
looks to me like the author went from an opinon (and not a very good one
at that).
Comments like:
"Today it's known as one of the car industry's greatest failures, on par
with Ford's Edsel"
"As for the hapless souls that bought the cars"
"windows that 'fell' out to doors that leaked and didn't close properly"
"1970's STYLING: By the time of it's launch in 1979 (haha right) the
DeLorean was old before its time. '70 styling motifs abound, like the
slatted rear window (oh come on now) and cubed rear lights (jeez I love
the way the rear of the car looks!)
About5 the only spoton the 2 pages where this guy didn't insult the car
was under "SPECIFICATIONS" but even there info was wrong, "1979-82" and
"production 6,500"
Anybody have this book mine is smudged where the vin plate is and cant
make it out (I'd like to know the #). I wonder who put the car up for
the photos?
Sorry for the lateness of this reply, I'm on the digest
thanks for any info on the subject
John Heflin
VIN: Was almost 6078....sighhhhhhhh, lookin for another.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 11:30:51 -0700
From: DeLorean Motor Company <parts@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Corrections to Factory Parts Manual
As part of our acquisition of the DeLorean parts warehouse in Columbus,
we are completely revising the factory DeLorean Parts Manual to reflect
the many errors, superseded part numbers and the like. We are now in the
final proofing process and are asking that any of the readers of the
DeLorean Mailing List that have any personal knowledge of
errors/omissions in the Manual please use the report form below and email
or fax it to us.
See you in Los Angeles at Expo '98!
Stephen Wynne
DeLorean Motor Company
10804 Roark Road
Houston, TX 77099
(800) USA-DMC1
(281) 568-9573 Voice
(281) 568-9386 Fax
Email: info@xxxxxxxxxx
- --------------------------------
Please indicate the nature of your report
C - Correction to parts manual
A - Addition to parts manual
0 - Other change to parts manual
Section in question (ie 5-1-1):
Detailed description of your reported error:
Thanks for your assistance! Please mail or fax this form to us. Email and
faxing instructions are below:
Email: parts@xxxxxxxxxx
Fax: (281) 568-9386
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:16 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Not so cool!
I would recommend NOT using compressed air to do this. I have seen
other gases used, but most will tell you not to use air. Compressed air
will force moisture in to the system.. Even though a proper evacuation
will take out some of the water, it will never get it all out....
Cirillo Ronald A NUWCDIVNPT wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> I can tell you for sure that a vacuum test will not necessarily
> find your leak. I have had a few systems that have held vacuum all
> night but would leak when the system is pressurized. I have made an
> adapter that allows me to pressurize the system to approximately 100 psi
> and I have never failed to find a leak using this method. A word of
> caution about doing this. The introduction of air can bring
> contaminates into the system and you could end up with a bigger problem
> than you started with. I use an oil less compressor to perform this
> task. After I have found and fixed the leak, I evacuate the system for
> an hour. This is to insure that all water vapor (from the humidity in
> the air) has boiled off. I have never encountered a problem in using
> this method. Every system that I have fixed has functioned perfectly.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:35:49 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
John Heflin wrote:
> "Today it's known as one of the car industry's greatest failures, on par
> with Ford's Edsel"
There was an article in the paper the other day about the Edsel. 10 times
more were made than DeLoreans.
Martin
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:32:14 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Loose Shock
Today, I heard a metallic clunk in the front end whenever I would hit a
bump.
It turns out that one of the bell washers for the front upper shock
mount had split and fell out. Both nuts were still on the shock and the
bushing was split. I installed these shocks about 3 thousand miles
ago. I was able to get a close substitute at the local Big 10 tire
store for a temporary repair.
Steve Wynne in Houston is sending me replacement parts since I had
purchased the shocks from him. I call that good customer service.
It does pay to buy your parts from a reputable source.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:09:04 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
I just got the sales catalog of this annual auction extravaganza
in Auburn, Indiana, September 2-8, 1998.
Lot # 3249
1981 Red Painted De Lorean, 5-speed, pictured on page 69.
I think this car has been at regional conventions.
All of the usual equipment on the car.
Lot #3267
1981 Stainless De Lorean, automatic, 265 miles, with original
window sticker still on the window!!!
Not pictured in sales catalog.
No additional information is available from Kruse International,
the auctioneers.
If anyone goes to the auction, please let us know what happens to
these two De Loreans.
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
DOC #14
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:41:04 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Jack,
I know what you mean about reactions to the 85mph. speedo. I did a
cosmetic
change for our DeLorean which we rent out for cooperate shows, the speedo
goes to 200mph., that draws some real attention.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:53:10 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Not So Cool!
Richard,
Check the hoses where they leave the engine compartment and go under the
body, at that point there is a sharp edge on the fiberglass black body
that
can slowly cut into one of the hoses. I have seen this on many D's
including my own.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:48:27 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: More Bugs
Window switches are available from DeLorean part suppliers. The Fanzilla
installs in your electrical compartment which is under the parcel shelf
behind the passenger seat. There are some locksmith's than can cut a key
without removing the lock cylinder, they will need a Taylor key blank to
match the DeLorean style key.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:19:05 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Idle/Overheating problems
Rodney,
It just so happens that my son, who has a house in JaxFL, just moved here
to Atlanta GA to join me in my DeLorean Business. According to the last
DeLorean Owners Association Service Directory, which we have been members
of since 1984, there are three repair facilities listed in Jax. that might
be able to help your sister-in-law with her DeLorean. Unfortunately we
have
no data on their reliability but here is the information as listed:
Berghoefer Auto Serv.(Dave) 904 292-3994, Certified Auto (Wade Anderson)
904 744-7877, and Complete Import Serv. (Frank) 904 731-3924.
We are a DeLorean's only! service facility and information clearing house.
If you or your sister-in-law have any specific questions just e-mail us
and
we would be glad to supply any information. You asked about back issues
for
overheating and rough idling, were you talking DeLorean World Magazine or
another publication. We have a data base on all service information dating
back to 1981.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:06:57 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Roof Light + Door Switch
Orlando,
You mentioned looking at the parts manual to see how to remove the
interior
lamp, unfortunately the picture has no detail. Go to your workshop manual
M:11:03 Fig.43, you'll see two push tabs on the right hand side of the
fixture. Push those tabs in with a small screwdriver and the fixture will
easily drop out. Depending how the fixture was last installed will
determine weather the tabs are on the right or left. Many of these items
have become brittle over the years an the tabs may break when you try to
remove it; not a problem, new units are inexpensive and available. It
appears that another list member has accurately informed you about the
door
switches.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:21:41 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
Chip,
The power going to your clock and panel lights must go through several
connections on its way to its final destination. Here's the route. 12v
from
your battery goes to fuse No. 8 from there it travels to all of the right
hand side parking lights. The feed than travels through your center
console
and stops at the panel light dimmer, from there it goes through the
headlight switch and the hazard switch and finally ends up at the clock.
Based on your description there is no power in this circuit. Here's how to
find out; turn on your parking lights and see if the headlight switch and
hazard switches are illuminated. You will probably want to do this in a
darkened area to more clearly see these lights. If these lights are off
you
have no power in the circuit; let me know what you find.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 11:44:15 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
On 8/20/98 8:21 AM, John Heflin shared these fine thoughts...
>Anybody have this book mine is smudged where the vin plate is and cant
>make it out (I'd like to know the #). I wonder who put the car up for
>the photos?
Look in theback at the index/credits section, I believe it credits Dave
Howarth with the DeLorean photos. Dave is very active in the UK and I
think he's very knowledgeable about the car so I can't believe the author
got those "facts" from him...
James
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:51:00 +0100
From: Pete.J.Smith@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Can you imagine a Delorean that does 200mph.. Yeash!! :-)
Just thought I'd add that while i was in Naples Florida back in 95,
i
saw a D parked up near an car forecourt. I was there looking at the
cost of shipping to the UK for another car. It had just stopped
raining and the D was gleaming. It looked to me like it was an
everyday car for someone - unfortunately i couldn't find the owner
to
find out more. I have some photo's which i might scan if i get
time.
I also saw a D parked near a scrap yard in West Drayton (London UK)
- -
I thought it was going to be scrapped so i went and had a look
around
it. It was a left hand drive - gray leather - auto which was
lacking
TLC. The next day i went back to see if i could find someone to get
more information about it and it had gone - I guess it wasn't scrap
after all (no offence if the owner is on the list)
Pete
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:00 +0100
From: Pete.J.Smith@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
If anyone is interested you can see a picture of the Red one at this
page. There's not realy anymore information on this page either.
http://www.kruseinternational.com/auctions/AUBFALL98/3.htm#DELOREAN
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:24:06 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Two De Leloreans at Auburn 98 Collector Car Auction
Aldo Buono said:
> I just got the sales catalog of this annual auction extravaganza
> in Auburn, Indiana, September 2-8, 1998.
This extraviganza is a lot more than an auction. I try to go to the
Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Festival, at which that auction is held, every
chance I get. Unfortunately, the last few DOA Expos have been on the
same weekend and for me the Expo is a higher priority.
I did make it to the festival and auction in 1997. They auctioned off
some
incredible automobiles and memorabilia, including an original DeLorean
dealer's sign in excellent condition. I do not know the buyer or the
price,
but I snapped a picture of it before it went to the block. I will try to
remember to bring the picture to LA.
For anyone who can't make it to the Expo this year, I highly recommend
the A-C-D festival as a cheap alternative event. It's car collector
heaven!
The Saturday afternoon parade may be the most beautiful all-automobile
parade in the world. For information, look here:
http://www.acdfestival.org/index.html
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:48:47 -0400
From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Deloreans in Settlement
WOW this one caught my eye.
In the evenings local newspaper, there was an article about a woman who =
during the years of 1984-1988 bought with her boyfriend 5 DeLoreans and =
a 6th in parts with the hopes of making lots of money 10 years later. =
Well it is later and they broke up. In the settlement she was awarded =
all the cars. I am attempting to contact her this evening in the hopes =
of learning more about it.
The article goes on to give a brief blurb on the "defunct" DeLorean =
Motor Company and its founder.
BTW she said the value of the 6 cars today was about $280,000.00 - yes =
this is correct, no typos.
Just a little bit of info for the masses
John L. Stiefel, II
DMC Vin: #3461
Licence: Flux1
Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:51:31 -0500
From: "Neros" <neros@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Hello guys. I am new to DeLoreans and to the DML. I was on the Web a few
days ago when I came across a DeLorean pic, and I suddenly remembered how
much I'd been in love with them ever since the days of Back to the Future.
:) That day, I did a LOT of research on the car, but still I have some
questions. I would appreciate any answers you can give me.
#1) I want to get a DeLorean, but I won't have the money for another,
say, 2 years or so. :( Will they still be available by then, do you
guys think? #2) And if so, in what condition? #3) And how much would
the
price be (vague estimates)?
#4) What are some of the common problems of the DeLorean, and how can
they
be fixed? #5) How much does it usually cost to fix these problems?
#6) If and when I do start looking for a DeLorean to call my very own,
what should I look for? #7) Should I look maybe for something cheap and
requiring a lot of fixing, or maybe something more expensive that is in
slightly better condition? I don't get paid a whole lot, so I want to
keep my costs down. And... #8) Is it still reasonably easy to find
parts for the DeLorean around?
Now I'm done with my flood of questions. :) Thanks to anyone who took
the time to read this; I'd prefer email responses at the moment, since
I'm not too good at sorting sense out of the DML yet. I'm sure I'll get
better with time, though. :) Goodbye, and thanks again.
Mike
"Of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most..."
"I let my mind wander one day...and it never came back."
"Neros" on IRC
ICQ #8884529
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:46:20 EDT
From: Phillip124@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Antennas
Can someone please tell me the VIN #s where the antenna styles changed? I
have VIN # 7134 and it has the antenna on the front fender. Is this
right?
There is no evidence that there was ever an electric antenna on the rear.
Phillip
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:53:03 -0500
From: superfly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: keys
Hi...I'm quite new to the list and have a quick question...
Does anyone know where to get DMC keys either original or remade keys...it
doesn't really matter which one..they would have to be uncut of course...
if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it...
thanks for the time
Josh
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:21:56 -0400
From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: tires
Kayo,
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pirelli P600, I haven't seen
many of these. It is very re-assuring to know we have another choice.
Tires
are seasonal and there are times when certain sizes are in short supply,
you recent troubles in trying to find a matching set of Yoko's is a good
example. Thanks.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:18:40 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
I hate to sound like I am trying to burst your bubble but I felt the same
way
about D's when I first discovered them on the internet.
A DeLorean really doesn't make the greatest car if you want an affordable
daily driver. I called the insurance company and the prices for full
coverage
are beyond belief.
If you want a D I suggest you look into getting one as a second car. You
shouldn't try to rely on a D as your primary means of transportation.
I was going to get myself a cheap car for wile I am still in high school
but
I decided to put off getting a car so I can save enough money to
eventually
get a D as a project car.
Many people get parade insurance on there D's and drive them only on
weekends. Parade insurance is a type of insurance that limits the amount
of
miles you drive and requires that you show it in a few public events.
Once I am able to get a D I hope that I will be able to afford the
insurance
by the time it is ready to drive. If I were you I would not try to use a
D as
a daily driver because of maintenance costs and insurance costs.
Just my 2 cents,
Stephen Rice
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:25:24 -0500
From: "Neros" <neros@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Support DMCnews
If you were to market shirts for DMC News or with Delorean stuff on
them...I
would definitely buy one. I'm obsessed now. :)
Mike
"Of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most..."
"I let my mind wander one day...and it never came back."
"Neros" on IRC
ICQ #8884529
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