dmcnews-digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 399
In this issue:
DML: Re: Speedometer failure
DML: Bricklin
DML: DeLorean Stuff in central California.
Re: DML: Bricklin
Re: DML: Bricklin
DML: Aftermarket shocks
DML: Re: Bricklin
DML: Power windows
Re: DML: Bricklin
DML: FS: '81 5-speed, 37k miles, immaculate condition.
DML: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
DML: El Paso, TX anyone?
DML: re: Power Windows
DML: Bricklins on the net
Re: DML: Aftermarket shocks
DML: Chassis/Frame
DML: NY DELOREAN
Re: DML: Bricklin
Re: DML: Bricklin
Re: DML: turbos
DML: re:Speedometer failure
Re: DML: turbos
DML: Re: Legend Industries Turbo, particularly #502
Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
Re: DML: Bricklin
DML: Louvres Materials
DML: [admin] Bricklin content
Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
Re: DML: re:Speedometer failure
Re: DML: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
DML: Re: Power windows
DML: New Owner Questions
DML: New owner
DML: RE: Chassis/Frame
Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
DML: Re: Frame
DML: couple o' things
Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
DML: NJ Car Show(s)
DML: Gullwing Doors
Re: DML: Louvres Materials
DML: Re: Louvers Materials
DML: Re: re:Speedometer failure
Re: DML: Bricklin
DML: Re: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
DML:a quick question
Re: DML: New Owner Questions
Re: DML: Louvres Materials
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:50:26 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Speedometer failure
Rodger,
Tell me more. How soon after you install the angle drive does the
replacement fail?
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:57:11 PDT
From: "Jim Plamondon" <saab82@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Bricklin
Jim P.
I have been on the DML for some time and is intersted in Bricklins
(gullwings) But I can't find a lot on them.
Is there any good web sites?
Jim P.
1746
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:18:41 -0500
From: "Jim Reeve <ultra@xxxxxxx>" <ultra@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Stuff in central California.
Hello, this is my first posting to the DML and I hope I get it right.
First off, I am making a tirp to Reno, NV this Wednesday, and one of
those days, (friday I think) I'll be driving down to the Bay Area (Just
for the heck of it), and I was wondering if anyone knows of any DeLorean
service centers or any place I can see a DeLorean on the way? I will
also be visiting the Reno car museum to see the Gold DeLorean there. I
will be taking lots of pictures of it and posting them on my website
once they get developed. (http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/) Also, if anyone
on this list who owns a DeLorean in the Minneapolis, MN area and would
like to show a 16 year old enthusiast (and future owner) thier car,
please reply. I would really like to ride in one if possible. Thanks
for any info anyone can offer. And hopfully, see you all at Cleveland
2000.
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
Twin Cities, MN
No car yet, but within 2 years!
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:07:42 EDT
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
Speaking of Bricklin vs Delorean,If you want SAFETY,buy a bricklin,that
was
the
main reason for a Bricklin SV-1(safety vehicle model 1),It is very easy
to work on,parts are cheap compaired to a delorean,has the looks of a
italian
breed,
the drawback is the factory electrohydrlics door system,and like the
delorean
no
paint,it has acylic bonded to fiberglass,that has a tendency to crack,vs
the
delorean
which has a weak electrical system,expensive parts replacement,a MILD
STEEL
frame,with epoxy coating,that if not caught early on when the epoxy
coating
cracks
the frame will quickly rust,the gullwing doors on the delorean are not a
neccessity
vs the bricklins massive truck like frame running,the length of the
vehicle
the gull-
wing doors are a must,Don't get me wrong, I have or own six Deloreans and
two
Bricklins since1981,and have taken deloreans down to the last nut and
bolts,I
am
just pointing some of the pros and cons on both cars,I like both cars.
CBL302
vin #570
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:11:11 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
Jim Plamondon wrote:
>
> Jim P.
>
> I have been on the DML for some time and is intersted in Bricklins
> (gullwings) But I can't find a lot on them.
> Is there any good web sites?
>
> Jim P.
> 1746
Jim, While I lived in California, I met Sandy Bigman
(BIGMANORTHO@xxxxxxx) who was the President of a Bricklin Club in the
San Francisco Bay Area. I was invited to bring my DeLorean to one of
there shows. Contact Sandy for info about the Bricklin Org. I had a
great time at the Bricklin show and learned alot about the other
gullwing.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:40:41 -0500
From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Aftermarket shocks
Has anyone put aftermarket shocks on the 'D? I just can't see paying
$500.00 for 17 year old shocks and call me crazy, but I'm sure the
technology is much better now.
Thanks in advance,
Duke
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:45:32 -0400
From: "yugoman" <mdrig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Bricklin
Contact jblair@xxxxxxxx for info. He has address for the Bricklin mailing
list (my wife has a 75), also can guide you to the appropriate pages.
Enjoy!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Plamondon <saab82@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:49 AM
Subject: DML: Bricklin
>I have been on the DML for some time and is intersted in Bricklins
>(gullwings) But I can't find a lot on them.
>Is there any good web sites?
>
>Jim P.
>1746
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:45:21 PDT
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Power windows
Good morning all:
Here's an "easy" one (I hope). While tinkering around with my
recently re-purchased Delorean I found the riders side window goes
down, but won't go back up. The driver's side doesn't do either?
Fuses...relays? Any help? Thanks. De Miller. Kansas City.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:45:16 -0400
From: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
Hello,
There isn't to much info on them on the net, but i was in jersey a
month back saw one for sale and pulled off the road rather quickly. In
terms of seeing a car, these are more rare then a DeLorean. There not
to impressive though, there gull-wing doors are extremly small, and
don't strech the length of the body, so they are hard to get in. It has
a 70's inner body style, which isn't very impressive. The body is
somewhat neat, and seems like it was designed to be a safety car, like
it says. The white one i saw, looks similar to a lamborghini in a way
(couldn't figure it out though). There bodies are made of a paint
plastic, so if you got a chip, you would see the color. Also, there
available colors for them isn't much, i think green, white, red, yellow
all nastly colors. It also had a v8- in it. For $8k, you could have
bought them back then for it. But they are rather cheap, order a
hemings motors, i saw a few in there for $4k. Thats usualy what they go
for.
Sean
Jim Plamondon wrote:
> Jim P.
>
> I have been on the DML for some time and is intersted in Bricklins
> (gullwings) But I can't find a lot on them.
> Is there any good web sites?
>
> Jim P.
> 1746
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 09:43:22 -0700
From: "M@!" <splatt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: FS: '81 5-speed, 37k miles, immaculate condition.
My uncle is looking for a buyer for his '81 5-speed (VIN#2344). It has
about 37,000 miles. He lives in Paradise, CA (between Sacramento and
Redding). The car is immaculate (he's a bit on the anal retentive side,
but don't tell him I said that), and runs great. He's asking $19,500.
If you're interested, give him a call at (530) 872-2068, or drop me an
email.
- ---------------------------------------------- splatt@xxxxxxxxx
"People are funny little machines full of meat and juice" - M@!
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:51:51 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
CBL302 said:
". . . Bricklin SV-1(safety vehicle model 1),It is very easy to work
> on,parts are cheap compaired to a delorean,has the looks of a
> italian breed . . .
Nothing against the Bricklin, but I don't think it looks very Italian.
To me the
SV-1 has an uncanny resemblance to the Saab Sonnet. I *like* the looks
of the Sonnet. It's a nifty look, but it's not an Italian look.
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I think the DeLorean (made in Ireland,
styled in Italy) does have Italian styling while the Bricklin (made in
Canada, styled God-knows-where) has Swedish styling.
Geeze, have I become a snob? I sound like I'm at an art gallery opening!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:06:50 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: El Paso, TX anyone?
Anyone on the list live in or around El Paso, TX that would want to get
together either Aug. 29th or 30th? I am traveling there to help my
military friends move home. Yuck, long drive to Ohio!
If so e-mail me at:
syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks!
Shannon Yocom
VIN# not yet!
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:01:19 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Power Windows
De Miller said:
> While tinkering around with my recently re-purchased Delorean I
> found the riders side window goes down, but won't go back up.
> The driver's side doesn't do either? Fuses...relays? Any help?
Try "switches." The contacts in your window control switches are
probably dirty or fatigued. The switches snap out of the center consol
with a firm pull, and they snap open for easy cleaning. Be careful . . .
don't lose any parts when a switch pops open!
Clean the contacts with an emery board and your windows will probably
work much better. If the contacts are really shot you may need to
replace them. It is always a good idea for everyone to keep their
window switch contacts clean, since increased resistance in the circuit
generates a little extra heat in the window motors.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:59:13 -0800
From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Bricklins on the net
Here's a web site all about the Bricklin:
I have a VERY large collection of DeLorean related web links on my
web site. Please stop by and take a look. I keep it updated and I'm
always checking the links and looking for new sites to add.
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME'
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:04:17 -0800
From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Aftermarket shocks
Duke wrote:
> Has anyone put aftermarket shocks on the 'D? I just can't see paying
> $500.00 for 17 year old shocks and call me crazy, but I'm sure the
> technology is much better now.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Duke
I asked the same thing a week ago and didn't hear a thing from
anyone. I take that to mean that there are no 'new' shocks available.
I don't like the idea of just replacing one old rubber part for
another but I'm sure someone will come up with something of these
days..
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME'
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:31 +0100
From: Nick Ryan <nick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Chassis/Frame
Hello,
I am requesting information on the Chassis/Frame of the Delorean. I have
an 1982 Delorean, here in Dublin, Ireland, and have run into a problem
with rust on the chassis. It is pretty bad, beyond recovery I reckon,
and am obviously looking to repair this. The rest of the car is in good
order and it would be a shame to have to part it out (it's a part of me
now!!!). I am looking to find some suggestions on how to fix up this
problem, as I am sure others have found this problem. (ooh the irony of
the stainless steel car!). It's probably all the bloody rain here in
Ireland!
Thanks in advance for any help you may provide
Nick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:17:16 -0700
From: steve brodsky <a0017673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: NY DELOREAN
Spotted a clean 82? Delorean with NY plates in Owego NY. Just curious
who you are.
steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:07:53 EDT
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
Sean,The car you saw was a Bricklin,and the colors available were called
safety
colors,because if the colors really stuck out,the chance of getting hit
were
pretty
slim.Just like the ugly d.o.t.trucks on the highway.The colors available
were
safety
red,safety green,safetysuntan,safety white,and safety orange.
CBL302
570
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:34:44 -0500
From: bttfdmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
Bricklin has it's history all right! Does anybody know if this is hard
cold facts or not, but didn't John Z. approach Malcolm Bricklin around
1974/1975 about combining both Bricklin and DMC into one, but Bricklin
wounldn't go for it? Just curious about this one.
And, speaking of Malcolm Bricklin... there's a long bad history on
this guy. One story relates to the Bricklin Car Club; a few years
back they held a major expo of some sort, and M. Bricklin just shows
up. He shows up in a Helicopter and two women in bikini's. Then
invites a bunch of his pals. They leave a large bill for for the
car club, for liquor I guess, $10,000?!?!?
Anyway, I've owned a Bricklin for a number of years, and all I
can say is, garbage! They're definatley a neat car, and had it's
moment, but I sure wouldn't want to catch myself in a rain storm
with that one!!! (When raining, the car will leak no matter what
sort of seals you put around the doors or windows)
Randy A.
DMC Vin: #16353
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:31:31 -0400
From: The Lees <rel14@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: turbos
Those who have responded are correct. As the design engineer for this
package at Legend Industries I can attest to the many changes needed to
make a robust turbo package. In addition to several dyno cells running
durability, there were several DMCs as well as a couple of Renault
Alpines used as test mules.
The general layout can be deduced from the attached photo. Hope this
helps.
Bob Lee
**MODERATORS NOTE: The photo Bob mentions as "attached" was too large. As
a rule, never attach a file to your posting. Post it on a website and
direct people there. If Bob will re-send the photo to me I will post it
on the DMC-News website.
JE
Marc A Levy wrote:
>
> The "Factory Twin Turbo" was never produced. DMC had a contract with
> Legend Industries to build the Twin Turbo setup for the PRV6 Delorean.
> When everything fell apart, there were a few prototype "Legend" cars
> that survived. I was under the assumption that all of the "Legend" car
> whereabouts were knows.
>
(SNIP)
>
> If you look at the car, it should be easy to see if it is a legend, or
> after market turbo. The after market unit(s) usually have the 180deg
> "U" pipe removed from the intake plenum, and all of the turbo plumbing
> hooked up there. The Legend turbo has the turbos more towards the fire
> wall, and there is a manifold which replaced the stock air box. The
> 180deg U pipes should be in place. (This is how it was on the Legend
> car I saw...)
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 21:01:32 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re:Speedometer failure
Roger and Lee wrote:
>
>At 11:50 AM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>in 1 and 1/2 yrs I have replaced the speedometer, all the cables, the l
>>drive and just cover. Had the car aligned, new tires balanced on the
>[snip]
>Hi Rodger,
>I am the self proclaimed Champion of DeLorean Angle Drive wipe outs
>("L-drive) which is correctly known as "Speedo RH Angle Dr Part number
>106130"
>[more snip]
>I just replaced my 5th RH angle drive two days ago...It just seized up and
>twisted apart.
ANTHER HINT ON THIS - I have seen this problem on several cars, including
mine. I've never seen it mentioned on the DML.
There is supposed to be a support bracket, bolted on with the same screws
the hold the left front brake caliper to the car. This looks like a bent
up heavy wire that holds the speedometer cable in the correct orientation
as it leaves the angle drive. If this support is missing there is
tremendous strain on the angle drive unit from the speedo cable as the
wheels are steered. This support seems to be a common breakage (rusts
away) part, and if you didn't know it was supposed to be there you would
not know it was gone. Look behind the left front brake caliper, if you
see a plate between the two retaining screws with two small bumps on it
that's where the wire WAS. When it's there the wire I am describing forms
loop about 8 inches long.
The part number is 110528, and it is NOT shown in the factory parts
manual. Early version cars used a different design plastic clamp that is
in the manual as locator items 15/16/17 on page 5/1/1, this is NOT the
right one to use. The 110528 support bracket was about $16 from Grady.
Also - there is an Angle Drive Weatherproofing kit available from DMC
Houston that completely covers the angle drive unit with a rubber boot.
Strongly recommended if you drive you car in the rain. I don't have one.
I think it goes for about $50.
In addition to lubing the lower cable, while you have it disconnected
turn the angle drive over, take out the little screw and fill it with
90-weight gear oil. This is at least a once-a-year thing. The factory
bulletin called for this service with EVERY oil change, believe it or
not.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:18:54 -0500
From: Steve Brodsky <impact.auto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: turbos
The Lees wrote:
>
> Those who have responded are correct. As the design engineer for this
> package at Legend Industries I can attest to the many changes needed to
> make a robust turbo package. In addition to several dyno cells running
> durability, there were several DMCs as well as a couple of Renault
> Alpines used as test mules.
(SNIP)
>
> Bob Lee
>
(SNIP)
> The "Factory Twin Turbo" was never produced. DMC had a contract with
> > Legend Industries to build the Twin Turbo setup for the PRV6 Delorean.
> > When everything fell apart, there were a few prototype "Legend" cars
> > that survived. I was under the assumption that all of the "Legend" car
> > whereabouts were knows.
> >
(SNIP)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stephen Wynn have one for sale in
his showroom?
steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:17:43 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Legend Industries Turbo, particularly #502
Steve Brodksy wrote in reference to the Legend cars:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stephen Wynn have one for sale in
>his showroom?
It is privately owned and is sitting in the showroom at DeLorean Motor
Company in Houston, awaiting a buyer and a full restoration - which is
included in the $125,000 asking price. It is arguably the rarest DeLorean
in the world, but is not the fastest, I don't think. Gale Banks made a
twin turbo Buick V6 (see Sports Cars Illustrated, April 1988).
James
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:21:42 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
I would inquire either with the DMC new moderator or their archives.
Apparently, there is a gentlemen in (I think) Chicago who engineered,
manufactured and installed a new stainless steel frame. It was a wee bit
expensive, due to it being custom. I wonder how many DMC owners need to
buy
one before the pricing starts falling.
Thomas
Nick Ryan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am requesting information on the Chassis/Frame of the Delorean. I have
> an 1982 Delorean, here in Dublin, Ireland, and have run into a problem
> with rust on the chassis. It is pretty bad, beyond recovery I reckon,
> and am obviously looking to repair this. The rest of the car is in good
> order and it would be a shame to have to part it out (it's a part of me
> now!!!). I am looking to find some suggestions on how to fix up this
> problem, as I am sure others have found this problem. (ooh the irony of
> the stainless steel car!). It's probably all the bloody rain here in
> Ireland!
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you may provide
>
> Nick Ryan
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 00:09:49 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
> Bricklin has it's history all right! Does anybody know if this is hard
> cold facts or not, but didn't John Z. approach Malcolm Bricklin around
> 1974/1975 about combining both Bricklin and DMC into one, but Bricklin
> wounldn't go for it? Just curious about this one.
Something like that.
Motor Trend, January, 1976
" He went for big names, men who could lend substance to his dream.
Bricklin asked John DeLorean, who was then running Chevrolet for GM, to
be the president of his budding auto company. Delorean declined."
"John Delorean is planning to do the same thing: build a 2-seater safety
car using a completely new kind of body construction. I think he's making
the same mistake, and I didn't hesitate to tell him so."
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:30:37 EDT
From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Louvres Materials
Just a quick question what are the louvres made of? If plastic
specifically
what type of plastic?
Thanks in advance
OL
#06882
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:41:09 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] Bricklin content
James "Iron Hand" Espey sez "note the sixth and seventh items in the list
below"
To clarify, the following types of messages are not okay:
* Spam, chain mail, or virus warnings (posting these is grounds
for removal)
* Press releases, commercial notices, attachments, etc.
* Questions asking if the DML has covered a topic previously (use
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* Me-too postings after a topic has been addressed sufficiently
* Anything not related to the DeLorean automobile, company and man.
* Anything else I feel is inappropriate (Iron Hand Espey)
I hope to keep the volume of postings moderate to avoid overwhelming
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Thank you!
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Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:40:18 EDT
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
Nick ,if your frame is that bad,it may not be worth repairing the rusted
frame,it is
not very hard to replace the frame on a delorean,and well worth
replacing,than
taking a chance in a accident with a rusty repaired frame,If you do want
to
repair
the rusty frame I suggest taking the body off the frame and do it
right.REMOVE
all
rusted areas,and replace with new metal.If you are looking for a rust free
frame I
have two delorean frames for sale,they need some work,and they have been
in
inside
storage since the mid 80's,and I am selling them for a very reasonal
amount.Also if
you have a 5 speed delorean,MAKE SURE you get a frame for a five speed
delorean
THEY ARE DIFFERENT,where the shifter bolts to the frame you cannot bolt a
five
speed shifter on a frame that was made for a automatic delorean.Hope this
helps.
CBL302
VIN#570
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:42:44 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: re:Speedometer failure
At 09:01 PM 8/11/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Roger and Lee wrote:
> >In addition to lubing the lower cable, while you have it disconnected
>turn the angle drive over, take out the little screw and fill it with
>90-weight gear oil. This is at least a once-a-year thing. The factory
>bulletin called for this service with EVERY oil change, believe it or
>not.
>
>Dave Swingle
>81 VIN 5429
>DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
>
reply:
I have the wire support bracket which also needs a zip tie. I agree that
greasing at every oil change is a must. along with the bracket!
Lee
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:40:21 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
Hi,
(snip)
> Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I think the DeLorean (made in Ireland,
> styled in Italy) does have Italian styling while the Bricklin (made in
> Canada, styled God-knows-where) has Swedish styling.
>
> Geeze, have I become a snob? I sound like I'm at an art gallery opening!
>
> - Mike Substelny
I own a gallery and believe me this doesn't come close to some of the
"art babble" I've heard. Just what I would concur with as a good,
accurate observation of styyyle.
Chris
"To err is human, to moo bovine."
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:09:57 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Power windows
De,
I wish the answer was as easy as your question. There are no relays for
the
window regulators (motors), your problem is either dirty contacts at the
center console switches or a broken drive cable or stripped drive gear.
Pull the switch covers off each switch and spray the interior with contact
spray, available at Radio Shack. If this does not correct the problem you
will have to replace your window regulators.
Here is some additional info.. The original window regulators had several
design flaws which are not repairable. Fortunately the after market heavy
duty replacements available from the major DeLorean parts suppliers are
far
superior and once installed should not have to be replaced. Replacement of
these components should be left to a qualified DeLorean specialist.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:47:58 -0700
From: Jason Perkins <jperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New Owner Questions
As a new owner I have a couple questions.
1. My VIN is SCEDT26T6CD016665. According to the charts its an 83 (at
least the mathmatical equation theory presented in mailing list #395).
However the door stamped plate on the Drivers side states it as an 82-
Why?
(The owners manual shows it as an 83 limited, but the Title shows it also
as
an 82)
2. On the center console there are 5 (as I recall- my car is in storage)
toggle switches. 2 for the Windows, and 1 for the Defroster. Were the
other two ever used for anything?
3. I recently cleaned my "D" for the first time. Was I in for a
surprise!!!! I think it looked better before I cleaned the outside. I
used
Liquid Glass polish, and it left polish streaks throughout. Is there a
reccommended stainless polish that owners prefer, that is easy to use, and
looks GREAT?
4. My "D" had been in stored for the last 14 years in a heated/AC
showroom.
She (I can't bear to say "it") only has 2,300 miles on her, but has been
started every few months. She was serviced by PJ Gradys (Long Island?-
sorry PJ, can't recall what the sticker says on the door at this time),
and
was given a A+ on mechanical condition. The only problem is that the
headliner is now sagging. Everything else is original (do you see where
I'm
going with this point yet). Since I have seen nor heard no mechanical or
other problems as of yet, what preventive maintainince is reccommended
before I take this car for a nice long Sunday drive? The car already has a
battery shut-off switch.
P.S. My 'D' is my pleasure car (as insurance companies say). However I
expect to put on less than 5000 miles per year. -With that knowledge,
what
preventive maintince is suggested?
Thanks
Jason Perkins
VIN#16665
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:01 -0400
From: "William M. Kwan" <BillKwan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New owner
As a new owner of a DeLorean, I would appreciate any advice on mechanica=
l
maintenance on the car. The strut on the passenger door seems to be weak=
and I would like to replace that. If anyone can give me some idea on whe=
re
to obtain replacement parts e.g. struts for the doors, struts for the
engine compartment etc.
Also I like advice on how to drain and refill the coolant - what type to
use since it is an auminum engine.
Thanks
Bill Kwan
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:12:48 -0500
From: "John P. Chandler II" <chandler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Chassis/Frame
I had the same problem and had a good auto restoration shop rebuild the
front end and clean and refinish the remainder of the frame. It cost
around
$3,500 (U.S.).
John P. Chandler II
Hayward, WI 54843, U.S.A.
Voice: 715-462-9337
Fax: 715-462-3682
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:23:00 EDT
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
I forgot to mention,That if somebody does buy a used frame or new frame
and
they
have a 5 speed delorean,and they bought a frame for a automatic delorean,I
have
come up with a adapter plate to use in that case,so all is not lost.If
anybody
needs
info on that you can E-mail me at CBL302@xxxxxxxx
CBL302
#570
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:56:59 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Frame
At 12:40 AM 8/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Nick ,if your frame is that bad,it may not be worth repairing the rusted
>frame,it is
>not very hard to replace the frame on a delorean,and well worth
>replacing, ..................
Reply:
This may sound like a pipe dream, but I assure you that as a certified
welder, there is no such thing as an un-repairable "steel" object. The
only
question is how much needs to be replaced or fixed. I have seen many
articles about seporating the frame and the body. If this is as easy as
the
articles suggest, then doing the repair of the frame it's self is a very
easy proposition. All that would be required would be the grinding away of
any rusted areas and the cutting off and the replacements of any "rusted
out sections". Using wither gas or ARD welding and the correct rod is all
that is required.
Once the actual metal work is completed re coating the frame and
re-installing the frame hardware completes the work. The issue of cracking
epoxy coating is far over blown and no where as critical as has been
suggested in some post. Repairing the coating is also a straight forward
job and only requires good work practices.
Welding is a fun shill to learn. I recommend it to any one interested in
doing their own frame work. But more importantly if you get involved in
such a project you will have the opportunity to do some serious but
inexpensive maintenance in the bargain.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:21:28 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: couple o' things
Firstly, while trawling the net (ha - clever pun, no?) I found this
site. Interestiing comment made about half way down...
http://infoweb.magi.com/~cvolvo/camclinc.html#PRV
Also, on the turbo subject, I know the legend prototype had no provision
for an air filter. I also know that it had some sort of active wastegate
giving gradual increase in boost pressure from way down the scale. I
mention this because in the copy of DeLorean World I received yesterday
(just joined) the advert for the Island system, it promises "no turbo
lag". Anyone know if the Island system also has some sort of pressure
control? Also: can someone confirm for me the max boost pressure?
My silly fact for the day:
The first couple to be shown in bed together on prime time television
were Fred and Wilma Flintstone.
Best Wishes,
Martin
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:27:18 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Chassis/Frame
Look at:
www.pearce-design.com
I'd like one...
Are you a member of the club over here? (just another plug - website url
below)
Martin
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:32:41 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: NJ Car Show(s)
"NEW JERSEY: Point Pleasant, Aug 19 (Rain Date Aug 20), Ninth Annual
Evening Pre-1989 Car & Truck Show sponsored by Point Pleasant Boro
Rotary Club at Crystal Point Yacht Club. Rt 70 & River Rd. free
admission. Info: Ernest Freestone, 1531 Treeneedle Rd, Point Pleasant NJ
08742. PH: 732-899-3104, 732-295-3322."
I am going to try and make this one.
I will be unable to make the 8/27 Freehold Cruise night, so there should
be a Delorean or two to fill my spot. Have fun without me!
Marc
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:38:54 -0700
From: Alex Krochmal <alexk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gullwing Doors
For you that are interested in Gullwing doors on cars check out this web
site! http://members.xoom.com/lplplplaae/
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:45:43 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Louvres Materials
Plastic is a bit general but yes it is plastic
It is a polyester reinforced resin.
What is your question about them????????
Ken
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:30 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Louvers Materials
OL,
Fiberglass
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
>
> Just a quick question what are the louvres made of? If plastic
> specifically
> what type of plastic?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> OL
> #06882
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:33:31 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: re:Speedometer failure
David,
Excellent !, you certainly have done your homework, you have accurately
covered all the basses on the infamous right angle drive; good job !
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:53:36 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Bricklin
> > Bricklin has it's history all right! Does anybody know if this is hard
> > cold facts or not, but didn't John Z. approach Malcolm Bricklin around
> > 1974/1975 about combining both Bricklin and DMC into one, but Bricklin
> > wounldn't go for it? Just curious about this one.
After Bricklin went belly up the same folks that eventually liquidated
DeLorean did the liquidation of Bricklin.
The last cars were assembled by Buddy Byers Chrysler in Columbus, Ohio.
Several months later Aston Martin brought a Bricklin to England to look
over and decide if there was anything there that they could expand on and
if it was worth their continuing the production of the Bricklin. Their
decision was negative and that was the end of their interest in the car. I
saw the car advertised for sale in England but I don't know what finaly
happened to it.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:03:41 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Bricklin vs DeLorean styling
> Nothing against the Bricklin, but I don't think it looks very Italian.
> To me the
> SV-1 has an uncanny resemblance to the Saab Sonnet. I *like* the looks
> of the Sonnet. It's a nifty look, but it's not an Italian look.
>
> Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I think the DeLorean (made in Ireland,
> styled in Italy) does have Italian styling while the Bricklin (made in
> Canada, styled God-knows-where) has Swedish styling.
Mike, I hate to be a spoiler here but I belive the Sonnet was styled in
Italy.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:28:26 -0500
From: "James DeBroeck" <executor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML:a quick question
Hi all
I've been researching DeLoreans for quite some time and I am planning to
buy
one when the fund become available. One question that I have though,
concerns the actual company itself. The DeLorean seems to have been a
very
popular car and probably would have become quite reliable had it been
given
the time to evolve. Why didn't any other business-type people try to
restart the company? I've heard that the stamping dies for the parts had
been destroyed, but if there are still engineering drawings of the parts,
then new dies (and cars) could be produced. Just curious...
James DeBroeck
no car yet.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:41:42 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New Owner Questions
On 8/12/98 12:46 PM, Jason Perkins shared these fine thoughts...
>1. My VIN is SCEDT26T6CD016665. According to the charts its an 83 (at
>least the mathmatical equation theory presented in mailing list #395).
>However the door stamped plate on the Drivers side states it as an 82-
>Why?
>(The owners manual shows it as an 83 limited, but the Title shows it also
>as an 82)
Most, if not all, of the 16XXX series cars I have seen ended in DD016XXX.
The first D indicates it is an 83. If yours is CD016665, I would like a
photo or a pencil rubbing to go along with my DeLorean Production
Chronology, which is now focusing on the cars that "don't fit the
profile". My address is below...
Anyway, the date of the door jamb is the build date, not necessarily the
model year. The 1999 models will be coming out next month, obviously
built in 1998.
>2. On the center console there are 5 (as I recall- my car is in storage)
>toggle switches. 2 for the Windows, and 1 for the Defroster. Were the
>other two ever used for anything?
Not designed to be anything other than "dummy" switches. Many people have
used them for a location for a fan overrride switch, cruise control,
alarm lights, etc...
>3. I recently cleaned my "D" for the first time. Was I in for a
>surprise!!!! I think it looked better before I cleaned the outside. I
>used
>Liquid Glass polish, and it left polish streaks throughout. Is there a
>reccommended stainless polish that owners prefer, that is easy to use, and
>looks GREAT?
Ask 10 DeLorean owners this question and you'll get 10 different answers.
I wash the car normally, then apply a 3M Stainless Steel Polish. It's in
an aerosol can, just spray on an wipe off (with the grain!!).
Good luck, and register for the DeLorean Owners Directory!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
DeLorean Production Chronology/DMC-News
P.O. Box 4833
Mesa, AZ 85211-4833
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:55:58 EDT
From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Louvres Materials
In a message dated 8/12/98 10:36:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
KKoncelik@xxxxxxx writes:
<< Plastic is a bit general but yes it is plastic
It is a polyester reinforced resin.
What is your question about them???????? >>
I was just wondering what the material was. I have a small crack that
could
possibly in result in having to glue it back together. I was wondering
what
the material was so that when it came time to repair it I would know what
adhesive to buy.
OL
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