dmcnews-digest Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 398
In this issue:
DML: DeLorean Items for sale
Re: DML: Re: small oil leak
DML: Re: Delorean spotting
Re: DML: Re: Door light kill switch alternatives
DML: Re: small oil leak
DML: Over heating/Ground effects
Re: DML: Re: Door light kill switch alternatives
DML: Insurance
DML: turbos
Re: DML: Sankyo is A/C (was: Re: Just bought one)
DML: Zilla products
Re: DML: Zilla products
DML: re:Trunk Cable
DML: (not so)=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=a0Cheap_DMCs?=
DML: RE: Price of DeLoreans
Re: DML: Trunk Cable
Re: DML: Insurance
DML: PJ Grady
DML: Re: turbos
Re: DML: Re: small oil leak
DML: a quick question
DML: Limited edition models
DML: Overheating
DML: Re: turbos
DML: Re: Over heating/Ground effects
DML: Re: Disc brake measurements
Re: DML: Over heating/Ground effects
Re: DML: Fun with DeLorean Electrics (+ other bits)
Re: DML: Insurance
DML: Gulf Port Meeting, SUCCESS!
Re: DML: turbos
Re: DML: Fun with DeLorean Electrics (+ other bits)
DML: Speedometer failure
Re: DML: Insurance
DML: Speedometer/odometer problem
Re: DML: Speedometer/odometer problem
DML: Kansas City
Re: DML: Re: DO YOU KNOW ???
Re: DML: Where to find DeLoreans for sale (was: DO YOU KNOW ???)
Re: DML: Speedometer failure
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:31:55 -0500
From: "Paul Hamer" <phamer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Items for sale
I have a few DeLorean Items I am getting rid of and thought there might =
be an interest.
=20
One large framed poster 40"x 58" showing a DeLorean breaking through =
several magazines. Caption at the top reads, "Presenting America's most =
talked about car". It was mounted on plywood and has a plexiglass front =
(probably weighs about 20-30 pounds). Some of it has rubbed on the =
plastic and a couple small areas have stuck to the plastic so I do not =
want to take it out and reframe it. The previous owner had it in his =
garage and it has a couple small spots at the bottom. Overall it is in =
reasonable shape and currently hangs inside my house.
=20
Books, "Dream Maker, the Rise and Fall of John Z. DeLorean", by Ivan =
Fallon & James Srodes. Library copy in good condition.
=20
"DeLorean", by John Z. Delorean, HC good condition but the jacket has =
some small tears and wear.
=20
One small metal DeLorean car made in Hong Kong #P374. It is about 2" =
long, silver, white interior, doors open. It has some paint rubbed off =
the car and bumpers but is in reasonable shape. I paid $20 for it in =
this shape about 3 years ago.
=20
One video of all the DeLorean ads and some shots of the factory and =
building and testing. I think this also was about $20 or $25.
=20
Two framed items (8x10) one shows a very nice photo of a DeLorean from =
the front with the doors open, I think there was more on the back but =
would have to take it out of the frame.
=20
The other has all the specifications of the car and again I think there =
is a photo or more on the back but can't remember.
=20
I also have several old DeLorean World magazines. Most all through =
about 1995 I think. Most are photocopies but there are several =
originals also as I was a member of the DMC club for a few years (I had =
3 DeLoreans over about a 6 year period). This stack of magazines is =
about 8" tall and all wrapped in plastic and I will not open them to =
look through what is and is not there. I don't have the time.
=20
I also have some NOS parts as follows:
=20
Item Part # List Price =
Quantity
=20
front grill 100334 400.00 1
black side strip 2000010 170.90 1
plastic overflow bottle =
1
oil filter 102415 11.78 =
1
LH escutreon 101889 10.44 1
RH escutreon 101888 10.44 1
set of plug wires 102702 88.64 1 set
armrest cover 300002 2
cap 105658 1.16 1
lic. plate lamp 100438 23.74 2
wheel centers 108504 5.99 3
distributor cap 102606 38.08 2
lambda switch 102478 20.78 1
locking gas cap & key 105137 51.39 1
Ht. ignition lead (coil) 106907 13.81 1
bulbs SP10304 2.29 8
oil plug copper washer 102461 1.16 4
oil fill breather 102415 11.78 1
wheel lugs 100181 3.33 7
Bosch sparkplugs 102443 7.96 6
rear brake pads 109012 39.84 1 set
=20
I can send jpeg photos of anything.
=20
I would like to sell everything for one money, but am also willing to =
seperate items, so feel free to make an offer. I will be taking offers =
until August 18th and then deciding.
=20
I will be away from August 9th until August 13th and can answer =
questions or send pics after that. =20
=20
I am doing all this to just clean things out as I don't expect to get =
another DeLorean for some time.
=20
Thank you for your time. Please contact me privately at the following.
=20
Paul Hamer=20
phamer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
phone 402-374-1174
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: small oil leak
This trailing arm stuff can't be over looked, as I'm sure us long term
owners can attest. Not long after aquiring my D (1984) during a leisurly
Sunday drive near downtown Detriot on Jefferson Ave.(big main street)
one of these large arm bolts decieded to sheer in half. Well, thank God
I was not on the freeway. It could have been all over! The rear wheel
went up into the top of the wheel well and that side was very near
street level. The original bolts do not have the tensile strength needed
and are extremely DANGEROUS. They must be replaced with stronger
aftermarket ones.
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:20:07 -0700
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean spotting
>i too just saw another "D" in my area. it was a week and a half ago on
>redwood rd. in castro valley CA. my wife and i were going home from a
>great
>evening out in hte "D" when another car passed us on the right....was it
>u??
>
Might have been me...I'm in San Leandro. There is another one parked in a
storage facility on San Leandro Blvd. and Washington. Wondering who owns
it...
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:56:28 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Door light kill switch alternatives
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> How about taking one of those plungers and setting it on a scanner,
and
> uploading the image to the DML. Lots of us would love to see the mod.
>
> With a proven notching pattern, the plungers could even be put into
kit
> form.
>
> Lee
Since the plunger travel is dependant on the door fit and latch
adjustment, I doubt
if any "standard" measurements would apply. Manually push in the
plunger until
the lights just go out, push in a little more (to ensure an air gap in the
electrical contacts of the switch), and mark where the notch should be.
On close examination, it appears that notch (which is less than 1/16"
deep) was cut
with a couple of swipes of a triangular file. The edge of the notch
(toward the
car) is perpendicular to the plunger (to create a 'flat' to catch the
metal trim
piece) and the angled portion is toward the outside end. If the notch is
cut so
that the plunger is held too far in, the door will not contact it and you
will
loose the auto-center/return-to-normal-operation feature, but a sideways
tap on the
plunger will put things back.
Seems like too simple a concept to require more.
Or, look me up at Expo98 and I'll show them to you
http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/la.html
Hank
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:41:26 -0400
From: Sean Mullally <mullally@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: small oil leak
I have the same problem, from the exact same component. It is the oil
pressure sending unit I believe. Mine is only a drop every day or so,
not a serious problem, but annoying.
- -Sean Mullally
#3868
>another question from a new "D" owner. i have a small oil leak (couple drips
>on the ground) that i have narrowed down to an electrical connector on the
>driver side rear of the engine. if u hang ur head under the bumper u can see
>it. it has one wire to it and it is kind of a nut thing. ive been
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:32:44 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Over heating/Ground effects
My friends DeLorean has had a constant overheating problem. The
radiator is the large brass one and the system has been properly bleed.
Does anyone on the list have the ground effects package on there
DeLorean, I'm wondering if this may be the cause of the overheating?
Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:35:05 EDT
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Door light kill switch alternatives
Hi Hank, Hi all,
Just got done grinding a small slot on each of my running lite switches.
Hank you just shared one of the great ideas of all DeLorean time. It
works
like a charm. Thank you, thank you! What an elegant and simple solution
to
the problem. Who ever thought it up stands on the Mount Olympus of
'simple is
better' land. Now, if there was just some way to grind another little
notch
and pickup 100 horses or so. Sigh....Joe
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:47:16 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Insurance
Re the question of so called Parade Insurance not being valid
for normal use of your car. I am aware of this theory.=20
Although the policy states it covers these cars used for club=20
activities, parades, exhibitions or part of a private collection,
the key is, that it also states "Occasional use of the auto for
other reasons is permitted". I am assured by my insurance
broker and a friend attorney that I am covered. Also I have
many friends with antique, historic and classic cars that have
this same insurance and none of them have had problems=20
over the years with coverage. Incidentally I quoted my policy=20
earlier a little high at $350 per year. It is $325. =20
Murray
Vin 5962 Lic DMC-XII
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: HIERSR@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: turbos
Hello,
I came across this list about a week ago and thought it could provide
an answer to a problem that's been bothering me for some time. I was
recently
on a website that featured Deloreans for sale. Each car had a brief
description by its owner. Many of these cars had references to a "Factory
turbo installed" or "twin turbos". Is this correct? I was unaware that
Deloreans ever came with a turbo option. Is this a joke? If not, are the
units still available for retrofitting, and how much of a horsepower
increase
do they produce? Anybody, please set me straight on this topic as I have
been
unable to get any answers around here. I can be reached at
hiersr@xxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks,
Rodney Hiers
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:58:35 EDT
From: OLopez1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Sankyo is A/C (was: Re: Just bought one)
In a message dated 8/8/98 1:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dmc1219@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< The Sankyo device that you are looking at is the Air Conditioner
compressor. The alternator is on the other side of the engine and is
mounted
low. >>
Thanks for the info. The alternator is a Motorola...
OL
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:52:25 PDT
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Zilla products
Hi everyone:
I've faxed PJ Grady for a catalog, but I guess I'm not patient enough
for the US mail, so can anyone give me the Reader's Digest version of
the "Zilla" products, what they do and the cost of each? Thanks. De
Miller, Kansas City.
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 98 00:19:35 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Zilla products
> Hi everyone:
> I've faxed PJ Grady for a catalog, but I guess I'm not patient enough
> for the US mail, so can anyone give me the Reader's Digest version of
> the "Zilla" products, what they do and the cost of each? Thanks. De
> Miller, Kansas City.
Check out PJGRADY.COM and click on "products".
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 00:22:10 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re:Trunk Cable
"yugoman" Wrote:
>Subject: DML: Trunk Cable
>
>My car's cable is broken from the pull lever, it even came with a pair of
>vise grips attached to the cable end- (this is the second "D" I've seen
>with
>that arrangement!). The lever is still there, is there any kind of repair
>to re-attach the cable end to the lever?
>Also,where is the relay board located? I have a Fanzilla to install but
>don't know where it goes. Thanks!
Make that three - mine came with that little feature as well - a free
pair of tiny vise-grips. (About the only good deal on my car, by the
way.) I replaced the cable with one from a bike store commonly used for
the hand brakes. You'll have to fabricate something to hook the cable to
the handle, I just used some tiny cable clamps. While your at it install
a second one, ouside of the cable jacket, and tie it to something under
the dash for when the main one breaks again.
BTW - if the release cable for the engine cover breaks you need only to
remove the left-hand tail light to reach in activate the lid release.
The relay board is behind the passenger seat, just lift up the carpet and
then the piece of plywood. If you've haven't been in there yet you're
probably in for a lot more work than just installing FanZilla. Clean up
all the relays and fuses, and if any of the relays say "Lucas" you should
throw them about as far as you can (after you get new ones). By the way -
FanZilla should have come with very detailed instructions. If it didn't
call Rob Grady.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 00:22:20 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: (not so)=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=a0Cheap_DMCs?=
Caution - Rant Alert - I don't do this much so I thought I'd warn you-all.
With all the discussion about bargain fixer-uppers I figured I'd toss my
thoughts in as well. I have had my '81 for about a year and a half.
Although not concours, it is generally considered to be in pretty good
shape. Even at that, I have spent over $4k in making it reliable, i.e.
non-cosmetic fixes (fuel system, brakes, electrics - all the stuff you
read about on the list). Add another $2K in cosmetics (facias, binnacle,
tires, etc.). (List available on request.)
I would never have believed that it would add up to this much, and the
amazing thing when I look back through my records is that it is all in
parts costing $100 here, $200 there (i.e. the 90's version of nickel and
dime!). I have never paid any labor to anyone, it was all work done by
me. And I have yet to touch the engine or transmission. I can't imagine
what it would have cost if I had paid someone to do this work (although
I'll bet "Hawkeye" McGauley can-inside joke). The idea of fixing up a
$5000 car for another couple thousand is not realistic unless the person
selling the car is truly desperate or just dumb. Or your definition of
fixed-up is way different from mine.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still nuts about the car and went into it as a
hobby planning to work on it. It's been a great learning experience and
I'm happy to share the knowledge. I really get a kick at shows when
people look at mine and think it's worth $50k.
I just hate to see people buy an $8000 example with their last dime,
intending to drive it everyday as their primary car, and then get mad
when they can't possibly keep the car on the road, so another one falls
by the wayside (jeez I'm starting to sound like you-know-who). An $8000
Delorean is NOT the same as an $8000 Honda. It's more like an $8000
Corvette or Porsche. As is true with most all collector cars, you can
rarely restore a run-down car for less than the price of an
already-restored or original-but-clean one by the time you are done. I'll
feel safe in stating that you can NEVER pay someone to restore a car for
less than buying a good one to start.
Knowing what I know now, I'd suggest that a purchaser look for one that
has been driven regularly (but not in bad weather) rather than one that
has been stored, from an owner that admits to recently keeping up with
the common repairs and maintenance. Buy the best one that you can find,
and take someone who has owned and/or worked on one with you when you go
looking. And no matter how good it looks, leave some money in the bank
for the future.
I feel better now. James - maybe this can be your editorial article. . . .
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:30:44 +1000
From: "Troy R. Haslewood" <delorean@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Price of DeLoreans
>
>Hi to everyone on the List,
>
>My name is Brad Gaffy and I live in Australia. I have wanted to own a
>Delorean ever since seeiing Back to the Future. The only problem is they
>are very scarce here in Australia. Only about 1 or 2 examples I think.
>
>My question is how much are they to purchase in the States. Even one that
>needs repairs as our import duty is very expensive and the cheaper the
>purchase price the better.
>
>Regards
>
>Brad Gaffy
G'day Brad.
I live in Richmond, NSW and also love DeLoreans. In the past few months,
I've noticed that DeLoreans are becoming less and less rare here. There
are
at least two DeLoreans I know of that are for sale in Australia. If you
check out the August issue of "Unique Cars" at your local Newsagency,
you'll
see them among the pages. One is a whopping $90,000AUS (w/ 2000 miles on
it,
and is in WA), and the other is a cheaper $50,000AUS (ex-museum car from
SA). Both are LHD, and the second one has been advertised for the past
three
months.
Also, if you live in Sydney, I suggest checking out the Automotive Museum
near Darling Harbour. They have a nice '81 DeLorean among their
collection.
It's actually privately owned (and the curator informs me that the owner
was
looking to sell it - for a hefty price, though), and is a factory Right
Hand
Drive.
As for prices in the USA, I'm no expert but I think you can pick up a
reasonably good DeLorean from between $10,000US to $30,000. But with the
exchange rate the way it is, you'll probably end up paying a fortune.
Troy R. Haslewood,
Sydney Australia
http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:23:22 EDT
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Trunk Cable
i just replaced my cable...9+ dollars from pj grady. i am not a mechanic
and
it was easy for me, so i think u can do it. just buy the replacment
cable(inside) and pull out the oldone. then, attach the handle. the
angle on
mine was kinda sharp causing the wear...i changed the angle so it wudnt
be so
sharp.
i also just installed a fanzilla...the access is on the rear deck ,
behind the
pass. seat
have fun.
james
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:47:36 EDT
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
i dont understand....r people having truble getting good rates on
"D"s...? i
pay $329 every six months in CA where the rates r not known to be low.
its
full coverage w/ good liability limits. i kno its double the amount ,
but i
dont have a mileage limit. "allstate".
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 04:53:00 PDT
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PJ Grady
Hi everyone:
Man this list is great! I signed off at about midnight with a question
and when I got up around 6:30 the answer was there! Steve from Florida
supplied the answer to my question about PJ Grady's products and it's
all there on their website at (dah) WWW.PJGRADY.COM. Thanks again DMC
news list! De Miller, Kansas City.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:51:25 -0500
From: "Paul Hamer" <phamer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: turbos
As others will tell you, no DMC ever came with a turbo. Buyers had them
installed by the dealer or others. Usually only ran about 5.5 lbs. of
boost
and always seemed to cause leaks and troubles. DMC was doing a lot of
research at the end and actually got one engine set up with a turbo, but
they had to do A LOT of changes to parts before it all worked. It was
done
by Legend Industries and was a twin turbo and R&T compared the
acceleration
to a Porsche 930 turbo. It never went into production but this one car
still exists. There is a good story about it on page 110 of DeLorean
Stainless Steel Illusion by John Lamm (isbn 0-930880-09-9) now out of
print.
You might find a copy at your library though.
Paul Hamer
20913
- -----Original Message-----
From: HIERSR@xxxxxxxxxxx <HIERSR@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 10:17 PM
Subject: DML: turbos
>Hello,
> I came across this list about a week ago and thought it could provide
>an answer to a problem that's been bothering me for some time. I was
>recently
>on a website that featured Deloreans for sale. Each car had a brief
>description by its owner. Many of these cars had references to a "Factory
>turbo installed" or "twin turbos". Is this correct? I was unaware that
>Deloreans ever came with a turbo option. Is this a joke? If not, are the
(SNIP)
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:00:05 +0000
From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: small oil leak
Sean Mullally wrote:
> I have the same problem, from the exact same component. It is the oil
> pressure sending unit I believe. Mine is only a drop every day or so,
> not a serious problem, but annoying.
>
> -Sean Mullally
> #3868
Same problem! This is the oil pressure switch which turns on the oil
idiot
light. When I removed the nut and the wire, I noticed that there was a
second
nut and that the center element was loose. I tightened the lower nut
which
tightened the element, put the wire and the top nut back on and the
switch works
normally with no oil leak.
Jim #6884
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:57:49 -0500
From: "James DeBroeck" <executor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: a quick question
Hi all
I've been researching DeLoreans for quite some time and I am planning to
buy
one when the fund become available. One question that I have though,
concerns the actual company itself. The DeLorean seems to have been a
very
popular car and probably would have become quite reliable had it been
given
the time to evolve. Why didn't any other business-type people try to
restart the company? I've heard that the stamping dies for the parts had
been destroyed, but if there are still engineering drawings of the parts,
then new dies (and cars) could be produced. Just curious...
James DeBroeck
no car yet
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:46:31 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Limited edition models
The new URL for the snap shots of the Limited edition DMC models is:
http://www.totalimmersion.com./silver3.html
Sorry I had to re-name the file....If you are a list of 100
reservation holder or just interested in the DeLorean limited edition
model kits the above URL will take you directly to 4 snap shots. There is
a description of the snapshots on the DMC message board at:
http://www.totalimmersion.com./dmcboard/
again sorry for the fooling around with this first snap shots,
from now on this won't happen.
Thanks
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:22:35 -0500
From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Overheating
Ok....here we go again!!!!! I drove my 'D to Gulfport this weekend =
(about 65 miles away) and it GRADUALLY overheats! I was up to 230 =
degrees at one point so I turned the heater on, it went down to 220. =
Later, on the way home we stopped by Scott Mueller's house and my car =
cooled down a bit. On the way home, when the temp got up to 210 =
degrees, I turned the heater on again and it stayed right there! What's =
going on here! I've gotten all the air out of the system, sufficient =
coolant, cooling fans come on when they should, they're blowing the =
right direction, I have an all metal radiator, there's nothing blocking =
the opening, ect yet it still overheats! However, when I start the car =
cold and let it run (without driving it) it does fine. The fans cycle =
on and off like they're supposed to. Anyone have any ideas?????
Thanks,
Duke
PS Anyone wana trade a CBR 900 for a DeLorean??
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:58:49 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: turbos
Rodney,
There were no factory installed turbo's for the DeLorean. They did,
however, consider installing them as an option but the company folded
before they could. Single and twin turbos are currently available, one of
the better choices is the Island Turbo from Turbo Manifold Co. in Natick
MA. Spec's are 0-60mph in 6.3 sec. with a top speed of 140mph.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:15:26 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Over heating/Ground effects
Scott,
We have a couple of clients that have ground effects with no problems. If
you could find out more details of the overheating problem we can give you
answers.
99% of overheating in DeLoreans is caused by the following: trapped air,
low coolant level, defective cooling electric's, thermostat, or a leaky
head gasket.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:28:03 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Disc brake measurements
Ken,
Discard the disc if the thickness is less than 11.7. I don't recommend
that
the rotors be turned unless you have severe scoring (groves). Other than
that the only time we recommend turning is if there is steering wheel
shimmy when the brakes are applied.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:27:21 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Over heating/Ground effects
Scott Mueller wrote:
>
> My friends DeLorean has had a constant overheating problem. The
> radiator is the large brass one and the system has been properly bleed.
>
> Does anyone on the list have the ground effects package on there
> DeLorean, I'm wondering if this may be the cause of the overheating?
>
> Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated.
>
> Scott Mueller
More info:
The water pump has about 3000 miles on it.
The fans are running the correct direction.
Any thoughts from the list would be appreciated.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:09:49 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fun with DeLorean Electrics (+ other bits)
Robert Aitchison wrote:
> 1.
> Speedo and fuel meter are dead, oil pressure reads max all the time (with
> some variations (maybe this is correct?) and the mileometer doesn't turn.
>
> Am I going to have to rip out the dash or can I take an under the bonnett
> approach first?
>
Most likley the angle drive in the left front wheele. A replacement can
be ordered from the delorean repair facilities.
> Sticking with the electrics the windows won't ride up or down either.
>
> I guess (after reading the newsgroup) some fuse box checking is also in
> order first...
>
Mindow problems are sometimes mechanical, but because neither work, I
would bet on a fuse..
> 2.
> When we were giving the car a jump start the drivers door (which opened
> and
> closed OK to start with) was subject to vibration as we got the thing
> going.
> When I got on the road and stopped I was struck with the familiar -
> "trapped
> in a DeLorean" saga. The passengers door is fine but now the drivers side
> is
> semi open (lock is off) but I cannot seem to get the door either shut
> properly or open completely.
>
> Is there any adjustments I should make (assuming I do get the damn thing
> open eventually...)
>
Get a set of Door Guides from one of the Delorean Repair Facilities.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:26:49 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
I have investigate this many times..
Although most policies allow occasional "Sunday Driver" use, all of the
insurance companies I have spoken to specificaly state that the car can
not be parked anywhere other than your garage, or a car show where you
will be with the car.
Yes, you can drive the car to the mall, and park it without any
complaints from your insurance company...... Until it is stolen!
I always get a kick out of this conversation at the car shows, where
someone tells me how they have had the special insurance for years, and
never had a problem with parking the car at the mall... When I ask have
they ever made a claim, the answer is always NO! The bottom line is,
your insurance company will let you do whattever you want with your car,
until you make a claim. Then LOOK OUT!
Murray Fisher wrote:
>
> Re the question of so called Parade Insurance not being valid
> for normal use of your car. I am aware of this theory.=20
> Although the policy states it covers these cars used for club=20
> activities, parades, exhibitions or part of a private collection,
> the key is, that it also states "Occasional use of the auto for
> other reasons is permitted". I am assured by my insurance
> broker and a friend attorney that I am covered. Also I have
> many friends with antique, historic and classic cars that have
> this same insurance and none of them have had problems=20
> over the years with coverage. Incidentally I quoted my policy=20
> earlier a little high at $350 per year. It is $325. =20
>
> Murray
> Vin 5962 Lic DMC-XII
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:03:38 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gulf Port Meeting, SUCCESS!
Dear Friends,
Yesterday, Aug. 9th, I had the opportunity to meet up with some
friends in Gulf Port, MS. Bill, Duke, and Scott drove out from Alabama
and Greg Guillot and myself drove out from Louisiana. We were also
joined by someone who lived out in Biloxi. Steven was so exited to see
a D for the first time. I forgot to mention that Scott and Duke each
brought one of their kids with them. It was fun to see some young
people who will own a D someday.
We arrived around noon and stayed in the parking lot for a few
minutes before we went inside to have our lunch. Once we were inside we
had to wait in a long line but we didn't mind since we were all talking
about D's anyway. After we finished our lunch we gathered around a
small table to look at pictures from Cincinnati and to look at pictures
of Greg's "Project Car". Scott also had some pictures of his son in his
Power Wheels version of the BTTF car.
It is always fun to meet new owners and new enthusiasts. I
encourage everyone to search for people in your area and to try
arranging a lunch with them. You can't have a better lunch than being
surrounded by friends who love their D's.
Stephen Rice,
Future Owner
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:58:34 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: turbos
The "Factory Twin Turbo" was never produced. DMC had a contract with
Legend Industries to build the Twin Turbo setup for the PRV6 Delorean.
When everything fell apart, there were a few prototype "Legend" cars
that survived. I was under the assumption that all of the "Legend" car
whereabouts were knows.
There are a number of turbo and twin turbo after market kits available
for the Delorean. You can read about them in detail by searching the
back issues.
If you look at the car, it should be easy to see if it is a legend, or
after market turbo. The after market unit(s) usually have the 180deg
"U" pipe removed from the intake plenum, and all of the turbo plumbing
hooked up there. The Legend turbo has the turbos more towards the fire
wall, and there is a manifold which replaced the stock air box. The
180deg U pipes should be in place. (This is how it was on the Legend
car I saw...)
Either way, I would be suspicious of someone trying to sell a DMC as
"Factory installed turbos" because if it WERE a "Legend" car, they would
say so! Most likely, it is a after market turbo kit.
HIERSR@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I came across this list about a week ago and thought it could provide
> an answer to a problem that's been bothering me for some time. I was
> recently
> on a website that featured Deloreans for sale. Each car had a brief
> description by its owner. Many of these cars had references to a "Factory
> turbo installed" or "twin turbos". Is this correct? I was unaware that
> Deloreans ever came with a turbo option. Is this a joke? If not, are the
> units still available for retrofitting, and how much of a horsepower
> increase
> do they produce? Anybody, please set me straight on this topic as I have
> been
> unable to get any answers around here. I can be reached at
> hiersr@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Thanks,
> Rodney Hiers
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:11:58 +0100
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fun with DeLorean Electrics (+ other bits)
Bob,
Can I ask how much you got charged by Customs and Exise when you brought
the DeLorean into GB. My '81 will leave Baltimore headed for Liverpool
in October and I want to know what to expect. Do you have any contacts
at the C&E dept. where I can enquire about my case?
Have you registered the car yet? If so how much has it cost you. I'm
living here in Hong Kong and relying on my Dad in N.Ireland to sort this
for me, so I'm trying to tie up as many of the loose ends as possible!
You should contact the Brit. DMC Owners. They have a pretty good web
page and seem quite active.
Cheers, IAN
Robert Aitchison wrote:
>
> I just got my DeLorean in from the US. Engine looks great and runs well
> and
> it drove fine (100+miles) after 2 months on a ship and a further two in
(SNIP)
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:50:16 -0400
From: "RODGER I VANNATTER" <windance@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Speedometer failure
in 1 and 1/2 yrs I have replaced the speedometer, all the cables, the l
drive and just cover. Had the car aligned, new tires balanced on the
car.
Presently the 3rd L-drive has failed. Can not understand how to solve
the
problem. Need help. Also, have had the bearings checked and new shocks.
Only problem I have been able to determine myself is that the cable from
the L-drive does put some pressure on the plastic dust cover. Made a hole
in the dust cover to reduce the pressure and possibly not bind the
spinning
of the cable. However, that has not solved the problem, since the 3
L-drive also failed. Would appreciate any thoughts.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:05:47 -0700
From: Moore <psmdiver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
I agree. I pay $311.00 every six months for full coverage and etc.
I've been told that I can get it cheaper if designate my "D" as a
collector auto and only drive it Miles a year. Haven't inquired about
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:27:05 -0700
From: Bill_Hamshire@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Speedometer/odometer problem
I fixed my speedometer/odometer without buying any parts.
The plastic "dust cover" is not a dust cover...and making a hole in it to
allow the cable to spin is the exact opposite of what you need to
do. This circular (2" diameter) part is right in front of you when you
remove the left front tire. It's job is to hang on to the speedo cable
and turn it as the wheel turns. Remove it, and you'll see the end of
the speedo cable.
Turn the cable by hand to see if the speedo needle jumps around.
If it does, you don't need to buy any parts!
My cable is a little warped so the plastic cover needed some
reinforcement.
I inserted a thin metal strip into the hole where the cable goes.
Now the odometer/speedo works perfectly.
Bill
#5627
Sunnyvale, CA
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:40:28 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Speedometer/odometer problem
Are you sure this is how the plastic cover was damaged? Usually the
edges "Round Out" on the plastic cap because there is something binding
it up... The angle drive is most common.
Bill_Hamshire@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> My cable is a little warped so the plastic cover needed some
> reinforcement.
> I inserted a thin metal strip into the hole where the cable goes.
> Now the odometer/speedo works perfectly.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:57:37 -0500
From: "Bixby, Web" <wbixby@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Kansas City
Yesterday afternoon (Sunday, August 9th) around 4p a gentleman was
following me as I drove down Ward Parkway. To make a long story short,
after he got my attention he told me he also had a Delorean. I was
wondering if he was a subscriber to the list. If you are please E-Mail
me privately.
Thanks,
Web Bixby
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:02:49 EDT
From: TORO2002@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DO YOU KNOW ???
DO YOU KNOW ANY ONE WITH A DELOREAN FOR SALE IF SO E-MAIL ME AND WE CAN GO
FROM THERE OH ALSO PUT THE PRICE IN TOO WELL THANX MUCH I HOPE YOU CAN DO
THAT
FOR ME.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 13:46:15 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Where to find DeLoreans for sale (was: DO YOU KNOW ???)
On 8/10/98 1:02 PM, TORO2002 shared these fine thoughts...
>DO YOU KNOW ANY ONE WITH A DELOREAN FOR SALE IF SO E-MAIL ME AND WE CAN GO
>FROM THERE OH ALSO PUT THE PRICE IN TOO WELL THANX MUCH I HOPE YOU CAN DO
>THAT FOR ME.
point your browser to:
http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html
Follow the link to the cars for sale. Dave Price updates it regularly and
it also has a link to the Trader Online website where ou can ususally
find as many as two dozen DeLoreans for sale around the country.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:50:50 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Speedometer failure
At 11:50 AM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>in 1 and 1/2 yrs I have replaced the speedometer, all the cables, the l
>drive and just cover. Had the car aligned, new tires balanced on the
>car.
>Presently the 3rd L-drive has failed. Can not understand how to solve
>the
>problem. Need help. Also, have had the bearings checked and new shocks.
>Only problem I have been able to determine myself is that the cable from
>the L-drive does put some pressure on the plastic dust cover. Made a hole
>in the dust cover to reduce the pressure and possibly not bind the
>spinning
>of the cable. However, that has not solved the problem, since the 3
>L-drive also failed. Would appreciate any thoughts.
>
Hi Rodger,
I am the self proclaimed Champion of DeLorean Angle Drive wipe outs
("L-drive) which is correctly known as "Speedo RH Angle Dr Part number
106130"
First you should understand that this unit is very weak and not a good
design. It requires in some D's regular preventive maintenance. This is
also true for the lower speedo cable.
The thing you drilled out and call a dust cap is in fact the speedo drive
cap. If the drive cable from the RH dangle drive is to long then
something
is not installed right. The angle drives are usually pre greased and
tested
before being sold by most if not all the DMC suppliers. You must be sure
that the unit is ready to install and you need to check that the retaining
ring is installed correctly, and that the speedo cable is correctly
installed and tightened. The drive cap needs to be greased and installed
correctly to ensure that the Right angle unit drive cable (square at end)
is seated and that the lower cable turns free and with out any resistance.
The whole speedo assembly should be free enough that you can spin the tire
and the speedometer show a reading.
The lower speedo cable must be washed out and lube with white lithium
grease when new and first installed and re greased every few thousand
miles.
I just replaced my 5th RH angle drive two days ago...It just seized up and
twisted apart.
Lee
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