[DMCForum] Re: Smoking..

["therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>]

Yeah, the article was from Yahoo, and it was a while back. I cannot
find the article now. From now on, I'll make a pledge to you, and
everyone else that when I'm going to quote, or rely on any information
from an online article that I've read, I'll exhaust my resources
trying to find said artices, so that I can link to them in my posts.
Especially on information like this, that I know others will want to
find more out about, and/or check up on.

BTW, I didn't even know that you got married, let alone had a kid now.
Congrats!

And thanks for the encouragement too. I still like the DML, and will
continue to participate in it as well. But I'm also glad that I joined
this list as well. It has proven to me that not all DeLorean owners
are so dammned uptight.

Now, if you, Flavia, and anyone else is interested, I do have some
news for you, that I'm sure you'll chuckle at. As it turns out, the
hotel moved in some guy into the hotel room next to me, who was a
total friggin' chain smoker. Long story short, I compained to the
manager, and got my room, and his deodorized. He was only here for 2
days, but I did get congested, and had a nasty headache. Smoking,
coughing, weezing, moaning bastard. I tell you, Karma can be a bitch
sometimes...

-Robert



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert,
> Just a few things...
> 
> you said:
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> Of course if I dine with non-smokers, this is a moot 
> > point anyways, since restaurants do afterall provide non-smoking 
> sections...
> 
> I think "non-smoking" sections are a load of crap. Before the smoking 
> ban came in here in Ireland, my wife and I (and our baby daughter) 
> went for a meal in a restaurant, where we were asked "smoking or non-
> smoking"? We asked for a non smoking section table, which we got. 
> Then, the woman on the table beside us (no more than 3 feet away) 
> lights up a cigarette. I ask the waitress about this and she 
> says "oh, the smoking section starts at that table". Hmmm, great.
> 
> I'll just respond to another comment you made:
> 
> You said:
> > The no smoking laws that NYC has passed for public restaurants, 
> bars, and 
> > clubs is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's been 
> proven over in 
> > Ireland that when smokers go outside to to light up, their non-
> smoking friends 
> > will naturally go outside to follow them. So what was the point 
> anyway? > <SNIP>
> 
> Ah, where are you getting this information?! Most people in Ireland 
> (90%), smokers and non-smokers alike are delighted with the ban. And 
> I don't know anyone who would actually leave the bar with their 
> smoking friends, that simply isn't happening over here! Someone has 
> to stay inside to mind the drinks! 
> 
> The ban is working great, and has encouraged and helped many people 
> to quit smoking - it was the motivation they needed. Who wants to be 
> standing outside a bar, in Ireland of all places!?
> 
> you also said:
> >Banning smoking IMO does encroach upon personal 
> > freedoms.
> 
> I disagree. I think prohibition would encoach on personal freedoms, 
> sure. But, banning people from smoking in the company of non-smokers 
> does not. 
> 
> In other words, I am not for a prohibition on alcohol as you only 
> damage you own health by drinking alcohol (although Guinness is good 
> for you...), but I am for a ban on smoking in public places, as the 
> smoker is selfishly doing more damage to the people around him than 
> to himself. Pretty simple.
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> PS I'm glad you're on this list, I enjoy reading your posts!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry to tell you this, but I'm a non-smoker, I like clean air, and 
> I've no 
> > problem with anyone who does happen to smoke around me. With the 
> > exception of when I'm eating at a table, smoking doesn't bother me. 
> And all 
> > smokers that I've encountered, actaully show me the courtesy of 
> waiting until 
> > I finish, untill they light up. Of course if I dine with non-
> smokers, this is a moot 
> > point anyways, since restaurants do afterall provide non-smoking 
> sections...
> > 
> > Of course there is the exception of those cheap-ass-$1.99 cigars 
> that idiots 
> > pickup at the gas stations out here. Nasty, greenleaf, rancid 
> tobacco.
> > 
> > The no smoking laws that NYC has passed for public restaurants, 
> bars, and 
> > clubs is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's been 
> proven over in 
> > Ireland that when smokers go outside to to light up, their non-
> smoking friends 
> > will naturally go outside to follow them. So what was the point 
> anyway? Clubs 
> > and bars do have ventalation, so it's not like anyone is gonna 
> suffocate. And 
> > besides that, here in Las Vegas where we do still allow people to 
> have fun in 
> > be comfortably be themselves, we're reaping the benefits. Part of 
> my job 
> > deals with the Hospitality Industry, and I can certainly tell you 
> that tourism has 
> > most certainly been good. 40 million people passed thru the airport 
> last year 
> > alone. And that doesn't count the people from California whom are 
> our #1 
> > domestic tourist base. And New York keeps wondering why their 
> tourist base 
> > keeps declining...
> > 
> > The point to all this is simple. It's ignorant to ban people from 
> smoking. If you 
> > want to go strictly by the healt merits alone, I'd suggest looking 
> at prohibition. 
> > We banned alcohol, and many people became binge drinkers because 
> they 
> > could not consume alcohol in a leisurely manner. Only when they 
> could find it, 
> > and they goruged themselves because of it's rarity, like some 
> aboriginal 
> > peoples in certain parts of the world do with food. If the country 
> keeps 
> > banning smoking, we are going to create a new generation of chain 
> smokers. 
> > Many people will take up the habbit simply to anger non-smokers 
> with such 
> > militant attitudes, and will smoke even more, because of the lack 
> of 
> > opprotunities to do so.
> > 
> > As for the American Cancer Society, I'd like to buy them all a nice 
> warm cup 
> > opf STFU. People know the risks, and they're willing to take them. 
> So who do 
> > these people think that they are, let alone anyone else to tell 
> smokers that 
> > they are not smart enough to judge for themselves what they want to 
> do with 
> > their lives? No smoking in workplace offices and enviornments? 
> Sure, not a 
> > problem, since the big concern here is to create an inclusive 
> enviornment for 
> > workers. To reduce health risks? No, I'm no buying it. Lots of 
> studies have 
> > been performed over the years, and some interesting results have 
> been 
> > found, that people such as the ACS, ALA, and other organizations 
> with 
> > anti-smoking, policital agendas have quietly declined to acknowlege.
> > 
> > http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20030913/fob3.asp
> > 
> > http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/hugenet/ejournal/OGGSmoke.htm
> > 
> > What's interesting about this, is the fact that even though smoking 
> does 
> > cause DNA mutations, this enzyme can repair the damange to the DNA, 
> thus 
> > preventing tumors in patients with high-levels of OGG. Even more 
> interesting 
> > have been the genetic tests that are discovering that Europeans, 
> and Native 
> > Americans who have longstanding cultures based around tobbaco 
> > consumption have already developed higher concentrations of this 
> enzyme. 
> > Which exmplains why African Americans have the highest risk of all, 
> when 
> > compared to Latios, and then followed by Caucasians. Taking all of 
> these 
> > facts into account, only 15% of smokers nationwide will ever get 
> lung cancer.
> > 
> > And worse yet are the political implications. People, wheather they 
> are Stock 
> > Traders on Wall Street, or Manual Laborers all have people in their 
> > demographic whom smoke. So, if a puff or two helps them get through 
> a day 
> > of stress, or a lifetime of hardship, then who cares? Let them 
> enjoy 
> > themselves. And if you don't find the place where you're at to be 
> offering a 
> > pleasant experience because you don't like to be around those who 
> smoke, 
> > then leave. There are plenty of restaurants, and a few clubs that 
> offer 
> > non-smoking areas that cater to folks just like yourself.
> > 
> > Hell, I have to put up with enough crap from enviornmentalists who 
> want to 
> > keep vintage cars like my DeLorean off the road, because 
> of "enviornmental 
> > concerns". So to anyone out there who smokes, know that I'm with 
> you all 
> > they way on this one. Banning smoking IMO does encroach upon 
> personal 
> > freedoms.
> > 
> > -Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Flavia" <frvianna@xxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Exactly. One of the reasons why I love to go out in NYC, no 
> smoking 
> > > in bars or clubs, I can have fun, breathe and not need to wash my 
> > > hair before oging to sleep at 3am! 
> > > Sorry, smokers, but smoking around non-smokers who like clean air 
> and 
> > > be healthy is very annoying. I wish the whole country had the 
> same 
> > > rules as NYC does. 
> > > I've been in contact with the American Cancer Society because 
> they 
> > > are trying to promote to ban smoking at work places in NJ. I 
> really 
> > > hope that works!
> > > 
> > > Flavia - NJ
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Ah, so instead the we will all be paying the cost
> > > > (through all of the liberal welfare programs) of
> > > > taking care of all of the people with lung cancer?
> > > > 
> > > > I am not an advocate of throwing parents in jail, but
> > > > even if this particular article is wrong there is a
> > > > clear link between smoke and the health of people. 
> > > > 
> > > > If you want to kill yourself, go ahead but don't make
> > > > me pay the bill.  If you want to kill your kids, then
> > > > maybe they should be taken away.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- ryanpwright <yahoo1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > What a great idea!! Let's pass a law. I say we force
> > > > > parents to stop
> > > > > smoking in their own homes. If they violate the law
> > > > > we confiscate
> > > > > their home, throw them in jail and put the kids in
> > > > > foster care. We
> > > > > must protect the children!  </sarcasm>
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Ryan
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
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