[DMCForum] Re: Smoking..

["John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Robert,
Just a few things...

you said:

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
wrote:
Of course if I dine with non-smokers, this is a moot 
> point anyways, since restaurants do afterall provide non-smoking 
sections...

I think "non-smoking" sections are a load of crap. Before the smoking 
ban came in here in Ireland, my wife and I (and our baby daughter) 
went for a meal in a restaurant, where we were asked "smoking or non-
smoking"? We asked for a non smoking section table, which we got. 
Then, the woman on the table beside us (no more than 3 feet away) 
lights up a cigarette. I ask the waitress about this and she 
says "oh, the smoking section starts at that table". Hmmm, great.

I'll just respond to another comment you made:

You said:
> The no smoking laws that NYC has passed for public restaurants, 
bars, and 
> clubs is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's been 
proven over in 
> Ireland that when smokers go outside to to light up, their non-
smoking friends 
> will naturally go outside to follow them. So what was the point 
anyway? > <SNIP>

Ah, where are you getting this information?! Most people in Ireland 
(90%), smokers and non-smokers alike are delighted with the ban. And 
I don't know anyone who would actually leave the bar with their 
smoking friends, that simply isn't happening over here! Someone has 
to stay inside to mind the drinks! 

The ban is working great, and has encouraged and helped many people 
to quit smoking - it was the motivation they needed. Who wants to be 
standing outside a bar, in Ireland of all places!?

you also said:
>Banning smoking IMO does encroach upon personal 
> freedoms.

I disagree. I think prohibition would encoach on personal freedoms, 
sure. But, banning people from smoking in the company of non-smokers 
does not. 

In other words, I am not for a prohibition on alcohol as you only 
damage you own health by drinking alcohol (although Guinness is good 
for you...), but I am for a ban on smoking in public places, as the 
smoker is selfishly doing more damage to the people around him than 
to himself. Pretty simple.

Thanks,
John
PS I'm glad you're on this list, I enjoy reading your posts!



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
wrote:
> 
> Sorry to tell you this, but I'm a non-smoker, I like clean air, and 
I've no 
> problem with anyone who does happen to smoke around me. With the 
> exception of when I'm eating at a table, smoking doesn't bother me. 
And all 
> smokers that I've encountered, actaully show me the courtesy of 
waiting until 
> I finish, untill they light up. Of course if I dine with non-
smokers, this is a moot 
> point anyways, since restaurants do afterall provide non-smoking 
sections...
> 
> Of course there is the exception of those cheap-ass-$1.99 cigars 
that idiots 
> pickup at the gas stations out here. Nasty, greenleaf, rancid 
tobacco.
> 
> The no smoking laws that NYC has passed for public restaurants, 
bars, and 
> clubs is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's been 
proven over in 
> Ireland that when smokers go outside to to light up, their non-
smoking friends 
> will naturally go outside to follow them. So what was the point 
anyway? Clubs 
> and bars do have ventalation, so it's not like anyone is gonna 
suffocate. And 
> besides that, here in Las Vegas where we do still allow people to 
have fun in 
> be comfortably be themselves, we're reaping the benefits. Part of 
my job 
> deals with the Hospitality Industry, and I can certainly tell you 
that tourism has 
> most certainly been good. 40 million people passed thru the airport 
last year 
> alone. And that doesn't count the people from California whom are 
our #1 
> domestic tourist base. And New York keeps wondering why their 
tourist base 
> keeps declining...
> 
> The point to all this is simple. It's ignorant to ban people from 
smoking. If you 
> want to go strictly by the healt merits alone, I'd suggest looking 
at prohibition. 
> We banned alcohol, and many people became binge drinkers because 
they 
> could not consume alcohol in a leisurely manner. Only when they 
could find it, 
> and they goruged themselves because of it's rarity, like some 
aboriginal 
> peoples in certain parts of the world do with food. If the country 
keeps 
> banning smoking, we are going to create a new generation of chain 
smokers. 
> Many people will take up the habbit simply to anger non-smokers 
with such 
> militant attitudes, and will smoke even more, because of the lack 
of 
> opprotunities to do so.
> 
> As for the American Cancer Society, I'd like to buy them all a nice 
warm cup 
> opf STFU. People know the risks, and they're willing to take them. 
So who do 
> these people think that they are, let alone anyone else to tell 
smokers that 
> they are not smart enough to judge for themselves what they want to 
do with 
> their lives? No smoking in workplace offices and enviornments? 
Sure, not a 
> problem, since the big concern here is to create an inclusive 
enviornment for 
> workers. To reduce health risks? No, I'm no buying it. Lots of 
studies have 
> been performed over the years, and some interesting results have 
been 
> found, that people such as the ACS, ALA, and other organizations 
with 
> anti-smoking, policital agendas have quietly declined to acknowlege.
> 
> http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20030913/fob3.asp
> 
> http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/hugenet/ejournal/OGGSmoke.htm
> 
> What's interesting about this, is the fact that even though smoking 
does 
> cause DNA mutations, this enzyme can repair the damange to the DNA, 
thus 
> preventing tumors in patients with high-levels of OGG. Even more 
interesting 
> have been the genetic tests that are discovering that Europeans, 
and Native 
> Americans who have longstanding cultures based around tobbaco 
> consumption have already developed higher concentrations of this 
enzyme. 
> Which exmplains why African Americans have the highest risk of all, 
when 
> compared to Latios, and then followed by Caucasians. Taking all of 
these 
> facts into account, only 15% of smokers nationwide will ever get 
lung cancer.
> 
> And worse yet are the political implications. People, wheather they 
are Stock 
> Traders on Wall Street, or Manual Laborers all have people in their 
> demographic whom smoke. So, if a puff or two helps them get through 
a day 
> of stress, or a lifetime of hardship, then who cares? Let them 
enjoy 
> themselves. And if you don't find the place where you're at to be 
offering a 
> pleasant experience because you don't like to be around those who 
smoke, 
> then leave. There are plenty of restaurants, and a few clubs that 
offer 
> non-smoking areas that cater to folks just like yourself.
> 
> Hell, I have to put up with enough crap from enviornmentalists who 
want to 
> keep vintage cars like my DeLorean off the road, because 
of "enviornmental 
> concerns". So to anyone out there who smokes, know that I'm with 
you all 
> they way on this one. Banning smoking IMO does encroach upon 
personal 
> freedoms.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Flavia" <frvianna@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Exactly. One of the reasons why I love to go out in NYC, no 
smoking 
> > in bars or clubs, I can have fun, breathe and not need to wash my 
> > hair before oging to sleep at 3am! 
> > Sorry, smokers, but smoking around non-smokers who like clean air 
and 
> > be healthy is very annoying. I wish the whole country had the 
same 
> > rules as NYC does. 
> > I've been in contact with the American Cancer Society because 
they 
> > are trying to promote to ban smoking at work places in NJ. I 
really 
> > hope that works!
> > 
> > Flavia - NJ
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Ah, so instead the we will all be paying the cost
> > > (through all of the liberal welfare programs) of
> > > taking care of all of the people with lung cancer?
> > > 
> > > I am not an advocate of throwing parents in jail, but
> > > even if this particular article is wrong there is a
> > > clear link between smoke and the health of people. 
> > > 
> > > If you want to kill yourself, go ahead but don't make
> > > me pay the bill.  If you want to kill your kids, then
> > > maybe they should be taken away.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- ryanpwright <yahoo1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What a great idea!! Let's pass a law. I say we force
> > > > parents to stop
> > > > smoking in their own homes. If they violate the law
> > > > we confiscate
> > > > their home, throw them in jail and put the kids in
> > > > foster care. We
> > > > must protect the children!  </sarcasm>
> > > > 
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
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