Re: [DMCForum] Lower ball joint replacement
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Re: [DMCForum] Lower ball joint replacement



> Has anyone here replaced their lower ball joints?

I helped a local friend replace them on his car in my shop.

> How difficult was it?

Not very.

> Are special tools required?

Floor jack, jack stands, snap ring pliers & basic wrenches.

> How much interference did you have to remove to do it?

None unless you count mosquitoes.

> Aside from odd tire wear, what are other symptoms of a
failing ball
joint?

Steering feels clunky as the weight of the car makes the
joint shift where it shouldn't.

> Have heard tire wiggle test is too inconclusive (can also
be bearings,
bushings, etc).

I agree, but you often don't have much to go on.  The best
test is a fixture that consists of a set of ramps.  You
drive onto it and then a hydraulic motor spreads the wheels
apart and pulls them together.  If there is anything loose
in the suspension, this will show it.

Since almost no one has access to stuff like that, my choice
is to pick the car up such that the wheels are hanging and
then grab & tug every which way by hand to look for play
that shouldn't be there.

> Autozone "rents" (pay a deposit, refunded when tools
returned) both
pickle fork and ball joint press.

I already had a pickle fork on hand to separate the joint.
Didn't need a press.  He beat it out with a hammer.

> Ball joints are riveted to upper control arm -- cut or
grind off and
install replacement with bolts.

We did upper ball joints too.  Used an air chisel to cut the
rivet sleeves.  Then used nuts & bolts to hold the new ball
joint.

> On installing the new one, it needs to go in very snug.
If it's loose, Grady's sells a shim pair that will tighten
up the fit.

This was a problem on the lower ball joints.  This
particular car already had the PJ Grady reinforcement collar
on one side.  That made matters really confusing because
weren't sure what we were looking at.  Collar taps in with a
hammer, no problem.  Need a counter weight (dolly) to hold
it still.  We used a big sledge hammer for counter weight.

> Handling isn't that bad but could be better. The question
is what's
the cause? Worn tie rod ends? Worn steering rack? Worn ball
joint?

Check everything for looseness and torn boots.  With the car
in the air, just pull and tug every which way.  The original
shocks are probably stiff enough with age that you might
ought to replace them anyway.  There are cross-references
that are direct bolt on replacements and others that require
the eyelet to be bored larger (or use a smaller bolt, your
choice).

> Occasional symptom is a vibration in the steering wheel,
which
sometimes occurs after a hard braking.

The fact that it happens independent of braking tells you
that it isn't the brakes.  I would suspect a tire with
crooked tread.  DeLorean steering is really sensitive to
ruts in the road especially while breaking.  It will tend to
pull the wheel to one side or the other (we're talking
really bad roads here.)

> The odd thing is, the vibration starts, then it just fades
away
for no apparent reason and all is well.

This makes me think shock absorber or bad tire.  Did it do
it on the previous set of tires?  Can you try swapping
wheels with Mike C?  Not sure he is anxious to have his wear
funny, though.  Maybe try your wheels on his car first.

> Is it permissible to replace only one or do they have
to be done in pairs?

Ball joints can be done independently.  Things that should
be done in pairs are brakes & shocks.  Tires should always
match also.  If you swap wheels side-to-side, be aware that
some tires don't like their direction of rotation reversed.
It makes the tread fall off.  I've heard many people say
otherwise, but I've had enough trouble doing this through
the years that I'll never do it again.

> Old mechanic's trick: put ball joints in freezer
overnight.

Wasn't necessary on this car.  In fact, new lower ball joint
fit a bit too loose.  He should have gone with a large size
maybe.  I hear there are slightly different sizes but I
would be at a loss as to which part numbers to ask for.  I
read a DML post long ago about someone putting a few MIG
weld spots to hold theirs in.  Didn't have anything like
that here, and the guy had to drive his car home that day.
So I gave him scraps from an old feeler gauge set to use as
shims.  It seemed to work fine, but hell if I would be held
responsible for such a repair.  I wasn't the one putting it
on the car, so I don't really remember if PJ Grady's
bushing/collar was loose in the control arm or if it was the
ball joint that was loose in the collar or control arm.  At
this point I was just an amused spectator.

I had great success using freezer technique to install new
front wheel bearings.  First bearing was only in freezer for
about half an hour.  I drove it in with a socket with a
little difficulty.  The next one almost dropped in because
it was in the freezer for about an hour.  So don't rush the
freezer.

> Don't forget that spring will need to be removed or
compressed

That would be a major PITA with anything rented from a
common auto parts store.  After we had the car supported on
jack stands, we a floor jack to lift & hold the lower
control arm.  It's a bit dangerous, but then again I was the
spectator letting an aggressive owner use my tools.

Walt









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