RE: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.

["John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bob, I won't pleasure you in a answer over the forum, but I will say this.
It would kill you to tell the truth.
John Hervey
P.S. Did see a post on the DML that you said there were 12 cars at the
gathering. There were 7.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Videobob Moseley [mailto:videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx]
  Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:09 PM
  To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.


  Please explain your question to me again, because I am not sure I
  understand.
  Are you saying that there are vendors who will refuse service to you based
  on their
  religious or personal beliefs?

  I know John Hervey has told me that he doesn't want to sell me parts
because
  of
  a dissagreement we had, whcih is stupid because I spent many thousands of
  dollars
  with the man.
  I paid him over $400 to do a "tune up" on my car, when I picked it up I
was
  missing
  my set of unused black stripes that was in the car, he told me that he
  borrowed them
  to "show them to a friend", about a month after I released the sale of my
  stripes
  he offered hiis versions (ripped off from me) at a cheaper rate.
  I told him that was not a nice thing to do to a friend.
  He replied, "It's only business Bob".
  So I announced that any price that John sold his stripes for, I would beat
  it.
  John got upset with me and I replied: "It's only business John".
  He got miffed and told me not to buy from him any more.
  His loss.
  I was a loyal customer, and a good friend.
  We shared the cost of a hotel room at Pigeon Forge, and shared booths, I
  helped him
  load his stuff and watched his table and even helped him sell when ever I
  could.
  He has been to my house and we have had dinner together many times.
  His actions were uncalled for and for no reason other than greed.
  It's just dumb, because I spent a lot of money with him and brought him
  customers
  and now he has ruined this relationship over nothing, because as far as I
  know he hasn't
  sold any of his srtipes to anyone.
  However I have sold quite a few.
  I have offered to forgive him and forget about it.
  I have not heard back from him about it.
  Shame or pride, it is a fault.

  I have no problem selling to anyone.
  Even if they don't like me, not so much for the money, but maybe....just
  maybe
  if I provide them with good service and a good product they might see
  another side
  of me and change their minds.
  Hey, I'm a nice enough guy and I think my prices are resonable in
  consideration
  of retail practices.
  Sure I mark things up for a profit but that's how it works in all
business.

  So I will sell to anyone who needs help, and I will always answer the
phone
  and be a friend to anyone who asks.
  I don't hold grudges like some people do.

  Does this address the issue you were asking?

  I think the most documented cases of DeLorean Parts Discrimination would
be
  with D1.
  I have heard about this from others too.
  Rob Grady and Don Stegar have both been accused of this in the past.
  Rob told me that "unless I buy all of my parts from him, he would not sell
  me parts
  and peices individually" although I have bought some of his accesories off
  his website.
  This costed him many thousands of dollars as I relied on DMCH and they
came
  through big time.
  Stephen did a great job of stealing my business away from others.
  Stephen has taken the time to call me and address problems I am having and
  offer solutions.
  No other vendor has ever done that....shit, half the time you can't get
  another vendor
  on the phone!

  So I hope this answers some questions for you.
  - VB



  >From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>
  >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >Subject: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.
  >Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:42:32 -0000
  >
  >
  >Overall, both Bobs here on the list brought up good, valid points.
  >Personally, I think the
  >headline that says "Christians" were being jailed is a cheap shot. That
  >insinuates that these
  >people were simply arrested because they are to be *Christians*, versus
the
  >truth, that
  >these are people who were arrested for breaking the law, who happened to
  >also be
  >*Christians*.
  >
  >That's like saying all my speeding tickets were forms of persecution,
  >because I was driving
  >a DeLorean, versus the real fact that I was breaking the law by exceeding
  >the speed limit,
  >and happed to use a DeLorean when I did it. And this is about as far into
  >this as I'll go,
  >based upon the agreements that have been set in place not do discuss
  >religion or politics.
  >
  >Now, if you really do want to talk about about some DeLorean related
  >problems with
  >discrimination, we can certainly do that. And let's begin with a question
I
  >posted to the
  >DML last week. I asked if any of the vendors were going to promise to us
  >consumers that
  >they would not refuse to sell anything to us, based upon any personal, or
  >political
  >objections. And so far, not a single vendor has responded.
  >
  >Now when I posted this, it was directed at ALL people and companies who
  >sell items
  >somehow related to the DeLorean. And I included John Hervy, and you Video
  >Bob in on the
  >list of people who sell such items, but have not heard anything back.
  >
  >-Robert
  >
  >
  >




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