[DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?

["ryanpwright" <yahoo1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Brian,

Good to hear you finally got this one solved. Putting in new parts and
having them fail right away is always frustrating. I just replaced the
baffle in mine last night with John Hervey's fix, so I know how much
fun you've been having playing with fuel (read: none).

-Ryan

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> It was the fuel pump...damn - it was BRAND NEW!!
> 
> I put in the old one and it started right up...
> 
> BUT  I got to learn a hell of a lot and for that I am very thankful!!
> 
> Especially to you Rich for being patient with me and taking me 
> through steps that may well come in handy in the future!!
> 
> thanks again!
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > I would like to thank everybody who offers thier knowledge.  When 
> it 
> > comes to electronics I am a beginner though so please be patient.
> > 
> > Okay, I got the starting fluid and tried it with the jumper in 
> > place.  It did indeed start... then stop.  duh - should have 
> known.  
> > It seems pretty obvious that there is not enough or no power going 
> > to the pump.  What struck me as odd though is that my pump is hot 
> > where I never noticed that before.  I double checked the wires 
> that 
> > plug in right under the spare tire well (you know, the ones nearly 
> > imposible to hook and un-hook - at least in my car)  The hot pump 
> > kind of scares me but I'm going to swap the old pump back becasue 
> it 
> > makes sense in my own mind.  If that one doesn't get enough power 
> > then I can assume it is an electrical problem.  I'll probably get 
> a 
> > new relay anyways just in case.
> > 
> > I hope I didn't blow anything up...
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Wow...
> > > 
> > > It's a mystery for sure. I mean is it really likely that the 
> fuel 
> > > pump AND the relay are faulty?
> > > 
> > > You do realize that you will only have voltage for 1 second when 
> > the 
> > > RPM relay is in place and you turn the key on right? The engine 
> > has 
> > > to be turning for the relay to engage constantly. The RPM relay 
> > has a 
> > > timer chip and an input from the ignition coil sensing engine 
> > > rotation. It's a safety device. The fuel pump isn't meant to run 
> > when 
> > > the key is on, but the engine isn't running.
> > > 
> > > Hm...I agree with your choice of action. If you have voltage at 
> > the 
> > > fuel pump, ON THE FUEL PUMP +/- TERMINALS, and you have no 
> sound, 
> > or 
> > > vibration, swap your old pump back in.
> > > 
> > > It would be a shame if your new pump died already. It has 
> happened 
> > > before though so I wouldn't be totally shocked.
> > > 
> > > Rich A.
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Okay - I didn't bother test starting it because with the 
> jumper 
> > (a 
> > > > godd one) in place and a full battery I'm getting 9.5volts at 
> > the 
> > > > pump.  I do not hear the pump either (with ignition turned or 
> > > off).  
> > > > I might replace the new pump with my old one to check to see 
> if 
> > I 
> > > > get a different result (I don't think my old pump was ever 
> > broken, 
> > > I 
> > > > just replaced it as a revamp)  - should I even bother with 
> > that?  
> > > SO 
> > > > I'm pretty sure that the relay is bad becasue I get no voltage 
> > when 
> > > > it is place and at least I get 9.5 when I have the jumper in 
> > place. 
> > > > I hope to have some more info by tomorrow evening...  :)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's not a dumb question. Remove the air cleaner and press 
> > down 
> > > > the 
> > > > > air flow sensor, spray in a little starter fluid. DONT go 
> nuts 
> > > > with 
> > > > > it. You could flood the engine or worse, have a wicked back-
> > fire.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just a "one thousand and one" squirt. Start the car 
> > immediately 
> > > > > before it all evaporates.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tell me again: Did you hear or feel fuel pump activity with 
> > the 
> > > > good 
> > > > > jumper in between 30 and 87?? Did you measure 12 volts at 
> the 
> > > fuel 
> > > > > pump wires when the jumper was in place??
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don't bother starting the car with the relay in place. We 
> > already 
> > > > > know it doesn't work.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you have 12 volts on the fuel pump with the jumper and 
> you 
> > > hear 
> > > > it 
> > > > > buzz, with the jumper, it's worth a test start. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rich A.
> > > > > #5335
> > > > >

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