RE: [DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?

["Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxx>]

If the pump is jammed, try reversing the polarity just for a second or two.
The debris might get loosened up.  Reverse flush the pump with solvent or
gasoline to clean it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:TK581@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:23 AM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?


I got it from SpecialT.  I'll contact him and see.  I got one of his 
tank hose filters as well and installed it before the pump so I 
would be very surprised if debris got in it.  Well, this will hold 
me off until I can afford changing out the accumulator (I have one 
of those pesky hot start problems)  For this I hear going to get it 
installed is the better choice.  I can't imagine climbing under the 
car to try and get to the accumulator very easy.  Certainly not an 
evening fix.

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> Groovy. I'm glad you got it sorted out.
> 
> It's truly a bummer that your new fuel pump died. You might wonder
> why it died. A couple possibilities are:
> 
> 1. It was faulty out of the box.
> 2. It choked on debris in your fuel system.
> 
> Who did you buy it from? Do you know if it was New/Old Stock? (A
20 
> year-old part that was never used)
> 
> Unfortunately, the vendors don't usually allow returns on fuel
parts 
> but you might ask in case I am wrong.
> 
> It seems that it's jammed up and that's what's causing the heat.
Does 
> anyone here know if they have bearings that might be faulty?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rich A.
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > It was the fuel pump...damn - it was BRAND NEW!!
> > 
> > I put in the old one and it started right up...
> > 
> > BUT  I got to learn a hell of a lot and for that I am very
> thankful!!
> > 
> > Especially to you Rich for being patient with me and taking me
> > through steps that may well come in handy in the future!!
> > 
> > thanks again!
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I would like to thank everybody who offers thier knowledge.
When 
> > it
> > > comes to electronics I am a beginner though so please be
patient.
> > > 
> > > Okay, I got the starting fluid and tried it with the jumper in
> > > place.  It did indeed start... then stop.  duh - should have 
> > known.
> > > It seems pretty obvious that there is not enough or no power
> going
> > > to the pump.  What struck me as odd though is that my pump is
hot 
> > > where I never noticed that before.  I double checked the wires
> > that
> > > plug in right under the spare tire well (you know, the ones
> nearly
> > > imposible to hook and un-hook - at least in my car)  The hot
pump 
> > > kind of scares me but I'm going to swap the old pump back
becasue 
> > it
> > > makes sense in my own mind.  If that one doesn't get enough
power 
> > > then I can assume it is an electrical problem.  I'll probably
get 
> > a
> > > new relay anyways just in case.
> > > 
> > > I hope I didn't blow anything up...
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx>
wrote:
> > > > Wow...
> > > > 
> > > > It's a mystery for sure. I mean is it really likely that the
> > fuel
> > > > pump AND the relay are faulty?
> > > > 
> > > > You do realize that you will only have voltage for 1 second
> when
> > > the
> > > > RPM relay is in place and you turn the key on right? The
engine 
> > > has
> > > > to be turning for the relay to engage constantly. The RPM
relay 
> > > has a
> > > > timer chip and an input from the ignition coil sensing
engine 
> > > > rotation. It's a safety device. The fuel pump isn't meant to
> run
> > > when
> > > > the key is on, but the engine isn't running.
> > > > 
> > > > Hm...I agree with your choice of action. If you have voltage
at 
> > > the
> > > > fuel pump, ON THE FUEL PUMP +/- TERMINALS, and you have no
> > sound,
> > > or
> > > > vibration, swap your old pump back in.
> > > > 
> > > > It would be a shame if your new pump died already. It has
> > happened
> > > > before though so I wouldn't be totally shocked.
> > > > 
> > > > Rich A.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Okay - I didn't bother test starting it because with the
> > jumper
> > > (a
> > > > > godd one) in place and a full battery I'm getting 9.5volts
at 
> > > the
> > > > > pump.  I do not hear the pump either (with ignition turned
or 
> > > > off).
> > > > > I might replace the new pump with my old one to check to
see 
> > if
> > > I
> > > > > get a different result (I don't think my old pump was ever
> > > broken,
> > > > I
> > > > > just replaced it as a revamp)  - should I even bother with
> > > that?
> > > > SO
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that the relay is bad becasue I get no
> voltage
> > > when
> > > > > it is place and at least I get 9.5 when I have the jumper
in 
> > > place.
> > > > > I hope to have some more info by tomorrow evening...  :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's not a dumb question. Remove the air cleaner and
press 
> > > down
> > > > > the
> > > > > > air flow sensor, spray in a little starter fluid. DONT
go 
> > nuts
> > > > > with
> > > > > > it. You could flood the engine or worse, have a wicked
back-
> > > fire.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Just a "one thousand and one" squirt. Start the car
> > > immediately
> > > > > > before it all evaporates.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tell me again: Did you hear or feel fuel pump activity
with 
> > > the
> > > > > good
> > > > > > jumper in between 30 and 87?? Did you measure 12 volts
at 
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > pump wires when the jumper was in place??
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Don't bother starting the car with the relay in place.
We 
> > > already
> > > > > > know it doesn't work.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have 12 volts on the fuel pump with the jumper
and 
> > you
> > > > hear
> > > > > it
> > > > > > buzz, with the jumper, it's worth a test start.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rich A.
> > > > > > #5335
> > > > > >




 
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