[DMCForum] Re: !! - starting problem please back on track solved?

["Brian" <TK581@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I got it from SpecialT.  I'll contact him and see.  I got one of his 
tank hose filters as well and installed it before the pump so I 
would be very surprised if debris got in it.  Well, this will hold 
me off until I can afford changing out the accumulator (I have one 
of those pesky hot start problems)  For this I hear going to get it 
installed is the better choice.  I can't imagine climbing under the 
car to try and get to the accumulator very easy.  Certainly not an 
evening fix.

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> Groovy. I'm glad you got it sorted out.
> 
> It's truly a bummer that your new fuel pump died. You might wonder 
> why it died. A couple possibilities are:
> 
> 1. It was faulty out of the box.
> 2. It choked on debris in your fuel system.
> 
> Who did you buy it from? Do you know if it was New/Old Stock? (A 
20 
> year-old part that was never used)
> 
> Unfortunately, the vendors don't usually allow returns on fuel 
parts 
> but you might ask in case I am wrong.
> 
> It seems that it's jammed up and that's what's causing the heat. 
Does 
> anyone here know if they have bearings that might be faulty?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rich A.
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > It was the fuel pump...damn - it was BRAND NEW!!
> > 
> > I put in the old one and it started right up...
> > 
> > BUT  I got to learn a hell of a lot and for that I am very 
> thankful!!
> > 
> > Especially to you Rich for being patient with me and taking me 
> > through steps that may well come in handy in the future!!
> > 
> > thanks again!
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I would like to thank everybody who offers thier knowledge.  
When 
> > it 
> > > comes to electronics I am a beginner though so please be 
patient.
> > > 
> > > Okay, I got the starting fluid and tried it with the jumper in 
> > > place.  It did indeed start... then stop.  duh - should have 
> > known.  
> > > It seems pretty obvious that there is not enough or no power 
> going 
> > > to the pump.  What struck me as odd though is that my pump is 
hot 
> > > where I never noticed that before.  I double checked the wires 
> > that 
> > > plug in right under the spare tire well (you know, the ones 
> nearly 
> > > imposible to hook and un-hook - at least in my car)  The hot 
pump 
> > > kind of scares me but I'm going to swap the old pump back 
becasue 
> > it 
> > > makes sense in my own mind.  If that one doesn't get enough 
power 
> > > then I can assume it is an electrical problem.  I'll probably 
get 
> > a 
> > > new relay anyways just in case.
> > > 
> > > I hope I didn't blow anything up...
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > > > Wow...
> > > > 
> > > > It's a mystery for sure. I mean is it really likely that the 
> > fuel 
> > > > pump AND the relay are faulty?
> > > > 
> > > > You do realize that you will only have voltage for 1 second 
> when 
> > > the 
> > > > RPM relay is in place and you turn the key on right? The 
engine 
> > > has 
> > > > to be turning for the relay to engage constantly. The RPM 
relay 
> > > has a 
> > > > timer chip and an input from the ignition coil sensing 
engine 
> > > > rotation. It's a safety device. The fuel pump isn't meant to 
> run 
> > > when 
> > > > the key is on, but the engine isn't running.
> > > > 
> > > > Hm...I agree with your choice of action. If you have voltage 
at 
> > > the 
> > > > fuel pump, ON THE FUEL PUMP +/- TERMINALS, and you have no 
> > sound, 
> > > or 
> > > > vibration, swap your old pump back in.
> > > > 
> > > > It would be a shame if your new pump died already. It has 
> > happened 
> > > > before though so I wouldn't be totally shocked.
> > > > 
> > > > Rich A.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Brian" <TK581@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Okay - I didn't bother test starting it because with the 
> > jumper 
> > > (a 
> > > > > godd one) in place and a full battery I'm getting 9.5volts 
at 
> > > the 
> > > > > pump.  I do not hear the pump either (with ignition turned 
or 
> > > > off).  
> > > > > I might replace the new pump with my old one to check to 
see 
> > if 
> > > I 
> > > > > get a different result (I don't think my old pump was ever 
> > > broken, 
> > > > I 
> > > > > just replaced it as a revamp)  - should I even bother with 
> > > that?  
> > > > SO 
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that the relay is bad becasue I get no 
> voltage 
> > > when 
> > > > > it is place and at least I get 9.5 when I have the jumper 
in 
> > > place. 
> > > > > I hope to have some more info by tomorrow evening...  :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's not a dumb question. Remove the air cleaner and 
press 
> > > down 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > air flow sensor, spray in a little starter fluid. DONT 
go 
> > nuts 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > it. You could flood the engine or worse, have a wicked 
back-
> > > fire.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Just a "one thousand and one" squirt. Start the car 
> > > immediately 
> > > > > > before it all evaporates.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tell me again: Did you hear or feel fuel pump activity 
with 
> > > the 
> > > > > good 
> > > > > > jumper in between 30 and 87?? Did you measure 12 volts 
at 
> > the 
> > > > fuel 
> > > > > > pump wires when the jumper was in place??
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Don't bother starting the car with the relay in place. 
We 
> > > already 
> > > > > > know it doesn't work.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have 12 volts on the fuel pump with the jumper 
and 
> > you 
> > > > hear 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > buzz, with the jumper, it's worth a test start. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rich A.
> > > > > > #5335
> > > > > >

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