BTW, I have modeled a replacement distributor stub that has a cam sensor instead of a dizzy... I never made one but If you are interested in going COP I can see if I can find the file and make one up... could take 2-3 months tho... I am moving my machines to the new shop. Richard -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Owen Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:38 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/photos/album/397301676/pic/list A few pics. Block, rails, brackets, installed. --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , "DarkStar Media" <darkstarmedia@...> wrote: > > Just out of curiosity... what "Idle air blocks" are you using? (Pic?) > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Owen > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:17 PM > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit > > > > > > Bill, it would certainly improve your credibility if you were to check > your facts first and converse with those individuals whom you seem to > wish to disparage. > > Owen does not have a problem. Owen does however have purchase-ready > fuel rails, hold down brackets and idle air control blocks should > anyone in the community wish to purchase them to convert a stock car > to EFI. We also have a bill of materials and lots of pictures. > Detailed instructions are slowly but surely coming along. I am not > actively marketing any of this, nor as you can see, trying to promote > the conversion to EFI for anyone not willing to invest the necessary > time and energy in educating oneself. I do not try to mislead anyone > into believing this is "plug and play" and I have no desire to hold > anyone's hand. I am however fully willing to help those that wish to help themselves. I learned from others and am trying to help the next wave. > The ONLY reason I can get these parts for people is that we had to > carefully measure, cut and refine each one to make it fit. We > therefore have the final measurements and can save others the "joy" of > fabrication. We standardized it. > > As Shannon eloquently pointed out, we appear to have identified an > issue with a supplier's product. They are currently working with us to > resolve the issue. As stated, MY unit is working just great and has > run both of the prototype cars too. As it is, both of them have been > driving around and perfecting their tune, but with the limitation of > the box losing synchronization with the distributor >3,500 RPM, it > cannot be considered "done". In the meantime, users can simply buy a 3.0 generation board. > > And to set you straight again, MY tune fired right up on Shannon's car. > EVERY car will require fine tuning, but one of the super nice things > about TunerStudio is its VE analyzer that basically allows you to > drive and it self tunes. That is assuming the user is both smart > enough and motivated enough to understand the concept of target > air/fuel ratios. Likewise, unless you have the ability to grasp the > whole issue of timing advance, stick with the conservative stock setup. THESE tables are absolutely 100% copyable. > > Your information on interpolation and table sizes is also wrong. You > can have 12x12 or 16x16 true enough, but YOU fully control the scale > on the X and Y axis. That means if I want a lot of detail between 700 > and 2000 RPM, I can have it. You really only need a single value at > both 5000 and 6000 and the software interpolates between the two. So > at the end of the day it is not a linear table. VERY powerful. > > In the vein of continuous improvement I am always tinkering with the > new features and trying to find even more performance from the stock > car. Yes, sometimes it doesn't work and I either reload the previous > tune or simply autotune it again. Development time as you call it, > ended a long, long time ago. > > I haven't been exiled from the DMCtalk boards and choose to > communicate freely, positively and openly in those forums. I only > joined this board to set the story straight. Anyone that wishes to > respectfully learn, share or just watch is welcome over there. > > Bill, I've never had a personal problem with you and in fact some of > your ideas have made their way into my car. If you would like to pass > commentary on what you think you understand of the technology you have > chosen not to employ yourself, so be it. Do me the civil favor of > leaving my name out of your running commentaries. > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > Not my problem -- Owen's problem. > > > > I'm just updating EFI enthusiasts (including those who claim that > > one > owner can perfect a fuel map that others simply download -- see > Message > #84497) of Owen's current progress. > > > > Owen gave the impression earlier this year that a simple bolt on EFI > conversion for DeLoreans was right around the corner. Development time > appears to be longer now. > > > > Bill Robertson > > #5939 > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote: > > > > > > If it won't work between identical setups all that means is there > > > is a > variable that you haven't accounted for yet. This whole discussion is > better taken over to the M/S forum where you can get more experienced > help specific to your problem. No one on this forum has enough > experience to give informed advice, this is a Delorean forum where we > can help you with the stock fuel system. Perhaps a forum could be set > up just to deal with engine conversions and engine modifications for the Delorean. > > > David Teitelbaum > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is what Owen is trying to make -- a standardized kit of > > > > identical > EFI parts that can share fuel maps. Unfortunately it isn't working > between the two test cars he's installed it on. > > > > > > > > Bill Robertson > > > > #5939 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To download a fuel map you do have to have exactly the same > > > > > setup or > it won't work. That's why a kit with everything identical to each kit > is so important. Short of providing a kit, a Bill of Materials would > do but then you give the person the chance to substitute or change > things. Production cars are close enough so it all works and the > software has some adjustablity to compensate for the minor variations > in each motor. If you are trying to find reasons for people to NOT > convert to EFI, many of them apply to changing to a carburetor. For > all of the effort a properly done conversion will take, IMHO it is > easier to try to fix the K-Jet and get it running right. As for > downloading a fuel map, I am sure one could be created that is wide > enough to get you running and then each individual could fine-tune it > (or not). EFI keeps improving all time. I am sure eventually this > could become more automated and easier to do. In the meantime the K-Jet has been optimized to work well on the Delorean (when it is working right). > > > > > David Teitelbaum > > > > > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a problem the guys in Texas have been having: > > > > > > getting one > car to start in the first place -- even with fuel maps (and even the > controller itself) that worked on another car. That is why I think > David is overly optimistic about simply downloading a fuel map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! 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