Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit

["Owen" <omalbec@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/photos/album/397301676/pic/list

A few pics. Block, rails, brackets, installed.




--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "DarkStar Media" <darkstarmedia@...> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity... what "Idle air blocks" are you using? (Pic?)
> 
> Richard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Owen
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Bill, it would certainly improve your credibility if you were to check your
> facts first and converse with those individuals whom you seem to wish to
> disparage. 
> 
> Owen does not have a problem. Owen does however have purchase-ready fuel
> rails, hold down brackets and idle air control blocks should anyone in the
> community wish to purchase them to convert a stock car to EFI. We also have
> a bill of materials and lots of pictures. Detailed instructions are slowly
> but surely coming along. I am not actively marketing any of this, nor as you
> can see, trying to promote the conversion to EFI for anyone not willing to
> invest the necessary time and energy in educating oneself. I do not try to
> mislead anyone into believing this is "plug and play" and I have no desire
> to hold anyone's hand. I am however fully willing to help those that wish to
> help themselves. I learned from others and am trying to help the next wave.
> The ONLY reason I can get these parts for people is that we had to carefully
> measure, cut and refine each one to make it fit. We therefore have the final
> measurements and can save others the "joy" of fabrication. We standardized
> it.
> 
> As Shannon eloquently pointed out, we appear to have identified an issue
> with a supplier's product. They are currently working with us to resolve the
> issue. As stated, MY unit is working just great and has run both of the
> prototype cars too. As it is, both of them have been driving around and
> perfecting their tune, but with the limitation of the box losing
> synchronization with the distributor >3,500 RPM, it cannot be considered
> "done". In the meantime, users can simply buy a 3.0 generation board. 
> 
> And to set you straight again, MY tune fired right up on Shannon's car.
> EVERY car will require fine tuning, but one of the super nice things about
> TunerStudio is its VE analyzer that basically allows you to drive and it
> self tunes. That is assuming the user is both smart enough and motivated
> enough to understand the concept of target air/fuel ratios. Likewise, unless
> you have the ability to grasp the whole issue of timing advance, stick with
> the conservative stock setup. THESE tables are absolutely 100% copyable. 
> 
> Your information on interpolation and table sizes is also wrong. You can
> have 12x12 or 16x16 true enough, but YOU fully control the scale on the X
> and Y axis. That means if I want a lot of detail between 700 and 2000 RPM, I
> can have it. You really only need a single value at both 5000 and 6000 and
> the software interpolates between the two. So at the end of the day it is
> not a linear table. VERY powerful.
> 
> In the vein of continuous improvement I am always tinkering with the new
> features and trying to find even more performance from the stock car. Yes,
> sometimes it doesn't work and I either reload the previous tune or simply
> autotune it again. Development time as you call it, ended a long, long time
> ago.
> 
> I haven't been exiled from the DMCtalk boards and choose to communicate
> freely, positively and openly in those forums. I only joined this board to
> set the story straight. Anyone that wishes to respectfully learn, share or
> just watch is welcome over there. 
> 
> Bill, I've never had a personal problem with you and in fact some of your
> ideas have made their way into my car. If you would like to pass commentary
> on what you think you understand of the technology you have chosen not to
> employ yourself, so be it. Do me the civil favor of leaving my name out of
> your running commentaries.
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> >
> > Not my problem -- Owen's problem. 
> > 
> > I'm just updating EFI enthusiasts (including those who claim that one
> owner can perfect a fuel map that others simply download -- see Message
> #84497) of Owen's current progress.
> > 
> > Owen gave the impression earlier this year that a simple bolt on EFI
> conversion for DeLoreans was right around the corner. Development time
> appears to be longer now. 
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If it won't work between identical setups all that means is there is a
> variable that you haven't accounted for yet. This whole discussion is better
> taken over to the M/S forum where you can get more experienced help specific
> to your problem. No one on this forum has enough experience to give informed
> advice, this is a Delorean forum where we can help you with the stock fuel
> system. Perhaps a forum could be set up just to deal with engine conversions
> and engine modifications for the Delorean.
> > > David Teitelbaum
> > > 
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That is what Owen is trying to make -- a standardized kit of identical
> EFI parts that can share fuel maps. Unfortunately it isn't working between
> the two test cars he's installed it on. 
> > > > 
> > > > Bill Robertson
> > > > #5939
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To download a fuel map you do have to have exactly the same setup or
> it won't work. That's why a kit with everything identical to each kit is so
> important. Short of providing a kit, a Bill of Materials would do but then
> you give the person the chance to substitute or change things. Production
> cars are close enough so it all works and the software has some adjustablity
> to compensate for the minor variations in each motor. If you are trying to
> find reasons for people to NOT convert to EFI, many of them apply to
> changing to a carburetor. For all of the effort a properly done conversion
> will take, IMHO it is easier to try to fix the K-Jet and get it running
> right. As for downloading a fuel map, I am sure one could be created that is
> wide enough to get you running and then each individual could fine-tune it
> (or not). EFI keeps improving all time. I am sure eventually this could
> become more automated and easier to do. In the meantime the K-Jet has been
> optimized to work well on the Delorean (when it is working right).
> > > > > David Teitelbaum
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is a problem the guys in Texas have been having: getting one
> car to start in the first place -- even with fuel maps (and even the
> controller itself) that worked on another car. That is why I think David is
> overly optimistic about simply downloading a fuel map.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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