Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually the ball joint end can snap off. Byrne has pictures of such on his website, and it happened to a European owner shortly before the old DMCTalk.com site went down.

OEM arms are also easily bent. They are only made of 16 gauge sheet metal.

And of course they rust every bit as badly as a fender or quarter panel (they are made of the same stuff).

OEM spring perches are not only very thin, but their sides are very low. An owner at FFT'11 reported that he tried new lowering springs 
but they kept popping out.

James Espy told me personally he has seen OEM LCA's that won't grip their first replacement ball joint.

Etc.

As far as cost is concerned: Even with new suspension, total investment in my car is less than $15K (I include tires in my total).

Bill Robertson
#5939

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Martin Gutkowski" <martin@...> wrote:
>
> The standard LCAs do not flex under normal use, they are strong in the planes in which they need to be strong. Someone on the old DMCTalk did FEA on a model and confirmed the "boxing in" achieves very little.
> 
> Please don't forget to consider Toby Peterson's re-worked ARB bushes which eliminate the vast majority of problems (mainly brake induced) while maintaining the intended design. It's a fraction of the price of Ed's outriggers too.
> 
> Martin
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "content22207" <brobertson@...>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:12:26 
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> Subject: Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension
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> Ed Uding's outriggers were designed by one DeLorean Motor Company franchise, and are sold stateside by another DeLorean Motor Company franchise. Can we assume they are a DeLorean Motor Company approved product?
> 
> Does anyone know how much more wiggly an OEM LCA is with Ed's outriggers than one of Byrne's arms?
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Michael Griese <mike.griese@> wrote:
> >
> > Basically Lotus modified the original LCA to take on a lower A arm geometry.  
> > They separated the fore/aft location of the LCA from the ARB by adding the extra 
> > piece.  The washer you see is not a collar but a washer used to compress the 
> > bushing on the end of the ARB.  The reasons Lotus did this was the improvements 
> > in tire technologies over the years, the increase in horsepower available from 
> > the drivetrain and the improvements in braking.  The improved grip of 
> > performance tires was starting to overwhelm the suspension design.
> > 
> >  --
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj@>
> > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wed, October 26, 2011 1:11:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension
> > 
> >   
> > Google helped me find a photo, but maybe someone with a Lotus can explain what 
> > is going on?
> > 
> > http://homepages.ipact.nl/~theunissen/index_files/image052.jpg
> > 
> > I can see where the extra support bar was added.  Nice that they have it so 
> > close to the lower ball joint.  That extra arm is bolted back to the frame so 
> > the LCA cannot move forward/aft.
> > 
> > The ARB (Anti-Roll Bar, I see someone asked what ARB was) looks a bit thinner 
> > than ours, and there is some sort of aluminum collar insert in the bushing??  Is 
> > that a slide of some sort, so the ARB does not bind in the LCA as it moves up 
> > and down??
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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