I agree - rusty frames? I lived in New England in the 80's (without a Delorean) and many of us made a real effort to protect the crappy frames, exhaust, etc. on our American made and even Japanese made cars. On the first nice day after a snowstorm the lines would be almost around the block at the carwash. Everyone would spend 2 minutes blowing the road salt off their paint and then another 5 rinsing the wheel wells, under the car, the top of the muffler, etc. When we went in for an oil change the mechanic would often offer to use a Hudson sprayer to put a thin coat of motor oil on the bottom of the car when he was done. Lovely as the exhaust system heated up the 1st time. These were dark days when even small towns could support a Ziebart dealer or two. Subaru in particular seemed to build cars that would dissolve before your eyes in the early 80's. Three year old cars with heavily rusted frames and holes in the fenders you could drop a quarter thru. My D lived for two years in Colorado, apparently as a daily driver from the oil change records. I have no idea if the 1st owner used semi-heroic measures as we did in New England - but my frame is still in great shape at 26 years. ________________________________ From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Josh Haldeman Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:55 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Ethical Sports Cars... Hi Al, It sounds like you haven't yet read JZD's book, "On a Clear Day You Can See GM". Go pick up a copy. I think I just saw the paperback version on Amazon for around $2.50. It will answer your question about the ethical sports car idea. Basically he wanted to build a car that the company could stand behind.or at least that's where he started. What developed is another story entirely. For that one, read "Hard Driving" by Bill Haddad as well as DeLorean's Autobiography. Those two combined, give you kind of an overall sense of the company's history. ".With a frame that rusts as badly if not worse than its contemporaries." It does? I think epoxy coated steel was a lot better than the cheap frame paint I find on even some of today's cars. DeLorean at least gave you some measure of protection against the elements right from the factory.and on the late 82's and 83's, he even added factory undercoating over the epoxy! I've run into relatively few DeLoreans that have terrible condition frames. They do exist, but most cars have just surface rust here and there. I'm not saying epoxy coating steel is a method without flaws, but it's a lot better than most of the DeLorean's contemporaries. A twin turbo model would have definitely been worth more than the base cars, if put into production.but what if the company also sold aftermarket engine upgrade kits? Kind of like what Island Turbo and others already did in the 80's and 90's? If you were on a budget, and couldn't afford the more expensive twin-turbo, then maybe you could buy a kit for less and do it yourself. We'll never know how the company would have handled that.but if I ever get my time circuits working, I'll be sure to go back and rewrite that particular part of history so we can find out. (hehe) -Josh VIN 5102 VIN 15964 VIN 11289 VIN 909 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/