Thanks, Josh! I only mention the frames because after reading this list for many years now (8+), that seems to be the single biggest problem with these cars. Granted the TAB failures can be potentially as unsafe/catastrophic but those can be remedied relatively easily. Given how relatively few DeLoreans exist, I have been surprised about how many people have had to make significant repairs or complete frame replacements. For a company (Pearce) to actually manufacture a SS frame for a very low population of cars indicates that there is a need. From what I've read on the list, the epoxy cracks and will actually trap moisture, road salt, etc. against the (ungalvanized) steel and accelerate the rust. I have also read on the list that the undercoating applied to the later cars (1983??) was done at dealers or QACs to actually mask the surface rust that had formed while the cars languished at the docks in Ireland and/or the QACs themselves. It has been some time since I read that so maybe I am mistaken. Thanks for the book recommendations! Al ________________________________ From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Josh Haldeman Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:55 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Ethical Sports Cars... Hi Al, It sounds like you haven't yet read JZD's book, "On a Clear Day You Can See GM". Go pick up a copy. I think I just saw the paperback version on Amazon for around $2.50. It will answer your question about the ethical sports car idea. Basically he wanted to build a car that the company could stand behind.or at least that's where he started. What developed is another story entirely. For that one, read "Hard Driving" by Bill Haddad as well as DeLorean's Autobiography. Those two combined, give you kind of an overall sense of the company's history. ".With a frame that rusts as badly if not worse than its contemporaries." It does? I think epoxy coated steel was a lot better than the cheap frame paint I find on even some of today's cars. DeLorean at least gave you some measure of protection against the elements right from the factory.and on the late 82's and 83's, he even added factory undercoating over the epoxy! I've run into relatively few DeLoreans that have terrible condition frames. They do exist, but most cars have just surface rust here and there. I'm not saying epoxy coating steel is a method without flaws, but it's a lot better than most of the DeLorean's contemporaries. A twin turbo model would have definitely been worth more than the base cars, if put into production.but what if the company also sold aftermarket engine upgrade kits? Kind of like what Island Turbo and others already did in the 80's and 90's? If you were on a budget, and couldn't afford the more expensive twin-turbo, then maybe you could buy a kit for less and do it yourself. We'll never know how the company would have handled that.but if I ever get my time circuits working, I'll be sure to go back and rewrite that particular part of history so we can find out. (hehe) -Josh VIN 5102 VIN 15964 VIN 11289 VIN 909 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/