Steve, Thanks for the rocking tip it worked, I rocked the car in second gear and bingo it started up this morning no problems, guess I need a new starter. And what was really wierd it wasn't hunting for a steady idle either (like it mormally does), just nice and smooth. I need to get into it and figure out just what the problem is. I have been reading and re-reading the manuals on the Lamda system and idle control system all day today. Does anyone know where I can get a diagnotic plug and harness? 6704 is missing it, I looked everywhere and it's not there. I want to hook up the dwell meter but guess what, no where to hook it up to. Thanks, Bernie --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "blackaddertoo" <blackaddertoo@xxxx> wrote: > > hi > just check the power going to the starter leads, are these OK. > if yes the starter may have burnt out/jammed as even a weker power > you should hear something. > > do you hear any relay clicks? > > if a manual box, put in second gear and rock the car (or push start) > if the starter gear has jammed, i use to have a ford escort do this > till i changed the starter. > > Should be easy to diagnose. > Regards > > Steve > [moderator snip] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/