Granted while I have a 3rd party set of door openers installed, I can tell you so far what I've thought of mine, and both of the current designs available from the vendors offering both products. Although I will give a disclaimer that most of what I'm basing this off of (in the way of their products/designs) comes from what I've seen posted to the DML. My car has 2-15 lb. solenoids installed to open the doors. After 20 years of dust, and lack of lubrication, they have a difficult time opening. In fact, one isn't ever strong enough to open the drivers door. Actuators from what I've seen online have a pulling power of up to 35 lbs. These would be much more well suited to open the doors. As for using existing wiring inside the doors, my only guess is that the feed intended for the side mirror heaters will be used. Now my car has a heavier gague wire installed for my solenoids, and it gets pretty warm as it is when it comes to opening the doors. The existing wires to be used are thinner. With the electrical problems my car has had in the past (inertia switch, idle speed motor, door lights, etc...), I don't fully trust these wires. It's nothing hereditary about DeLorean's per se, it's just that I don't trust these wires in my car. While you may not fish any wires with the other kit, you'll still have to cut and splice everything in one way or another. Also, on my car when you hit the button to pop the door open, the lights flicker, and the wires get hot. So they look to be pulling a pretty good load. Running new wires for the door actuators shouldn't be a problem at all. It just appears to be a little more labour intensive in as you have to remove the headliners. And you have to fish the wires behind the trim panels in the back, and the hollow pillar of the doors. Some tape, a coat hanger, and a little patience, and you're all set. Because of my existing set up, and the by personal choice from what I've seen so far, I would have to go with the kit from Darryl Tinnerstet. But before anyone makes a choice, a side by side comparison is really whats nessisary. Looking by the size of the wiring on the back of the actuators, you my be able to use that wire that's already in the door. Thus you may not even need to install additional wiring. But make no mistake, niether kit appears to offer a simple plug and play solution. In either case, you will still need to invest some time and a good amount of work to get everything going on either kit. Wiring aside, you still need to mount the openers, and attach them to the bellcranks. And of course you'll need to lube the linkage. And an added item, I wouldn't think of installing either kit without first upgrading the central locking system. Wheather you upgrage the locking module per Technical Library instructions, or you buy a Lock Zilla it's up to you. If it's too late for one or both doors, plan on buying a new lock solenoid(s). Plus don't forget to re-tourque your doors, and (if nessisary) get new door struts for either system to work properly. Anywho, untill someone actually gets one of these two venders door opening kits installed, or gets a hands-on comparison, nothing else can really be said. Before we can make a truly educated decision, we need to know all facts first. Pulling power, electrical load, weight, installation times, etc... And even other features or the systems themselves: alarms, engine kills, etc... Even then, I'd still like to know what's included with the kits. I'm not knocking any one competitor, or vendor. I'm just trying to get a few more facts. And to keep things even sided for now. -Robert vin 6585 --- In dmcnews@xxxx, kayoong@xxxx wrote: > Folks: > > I have seen both products. The two are VERY different in designs and > installation and in their operations. One is like prime steak, the other is > like chuck steak. One is plug and play, the other is you must work to make > it work... <SNIP>