Darryl, My goal in this discussion was not to compare the products or to slam anyone. I was offering the original questioner some advise as to the types of responses he may get to his post about which system to get. Again, there are compelling advantages to each system and I will say once more.....we should honor the work these folks have done into making these products for us to choose. Toby has an advantage in that his system is on the market now and appears to be selling very well. Because I choose to wait for the Zilla launcher is by no means a dig. Trying to pit one against the other is a waste of time and not worthy of our discussion. If you want a door opener system now, by all means contact Toby...his system obviously works well and is in many cars. If you are like me and have all the other Zilla products and wish to get Bob's system with no adapters and extra key fobs then wait. It's really that simple. We could agrue all day about the systems, whose is better etc.....but with Bob's not on the market iat this time t's not really a discussion that can take place as the only thing to talk about is actuators vs. solendoids which has been debated endlessly. Tom Watkins dmctom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/