dmcnews-digest Wednesday, May 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 367
In this issue:
DML: Keys
DML: Driver Door Stuck
DML: Bad Electrical Connections
DML: speedos and taillights
DML: Getting Driver Door Unstuck
DML: RE: Cooling fan electrical problem
Re: DML: DeLorean comic
DML: Cooling fan electrical problem found
DML: Bloomberg Article
DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
DML: Exhaust manifolds.
DML: Re: DeLorean Comic Strip
DML: Re: Cooling fan electrical problem
DML: Dash covers
DML: History Channel
DML: Midwest Club Tech Session
Re: DML: Driver Door Stuck
DML: engine problem
DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
DML: Springs
Re: DML: Driver Door Stuck
DML: Front shock travel -- Change required?
DML: Worlds Strangest Cars!!
DML: Re: Steel Braid Clutch Line - Specs?
DML: Fwd: Hist-Prog-Other unlisted Greatest Sports Car Ever!
Re: DML: Dash covers
Re: DML: Dash covers
DML: Re: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
Re: DML: Window Tint (was: Dash covers)
Re: DML: Midwest Club Tech Session
Re: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
Re: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
re:DML: Worlds Strangest Cars!!
Re: DML: speedos and taillights
Re: DML: Dash covers
DML: Pontiac Commercial.
DML: Springs - which is front and which is rear?
DML: DML'ing in person here in Phoenix
DML: Chirping from brakes while driving
DML: Re: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:49:35 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Keys
DMC Key update
To: All,
My thanks to all of you who have been so patiently waiting for keys. You
will be happy to know that all orders (4) received before May 1st have
been
mailed out. I have had some problems with minor surface defects, which
varied from ugly to hard to find. This problem meant redoing many keys
over
and over trying to run down the problem.
As I have comment before the key making project is kitchen table
technology, and not as consistent as even minimum machine production.
Which
means that problems can crop up for no apparent reason and drive you nuts.
I should point out that the keys are hand made, there is no practical
way
to hand make perfect duplicate keys. Each key varies to some degree from
every other key. The variations range from surface shine, smoothness,
thickness and edge finish.
Hopefully I have things in hand again. There is only one recent order
pending, so if you have ordered keys and are still waiting you should
receive them in the next week or so depending on how fast the US mail
service is to where you are having your keys sent. The last of the "Old"
orders went out on the 14th and 15th. This includes Alaska, Hawaii, US
Virgin Island and Germany.
From this point on Key orders will be processed and filled once every two
weeks. If you have any questions or would like Keys in spacial colors,
(Red, Blue, Green) I would be willing to give it a try. The cost will be
the same as usual.
I also have about 20 rejected keys That were never shipped. I am tempted
to just cut them in half and toss them. I thought about offering them as
seconds, but at $10 each I just barely make my cost, so half price is not
very appealing, of course tossing them is a total loss, and even as give
away items, I am not sure I want keys with serious surface defects
floating
around. If any one has a suggestion please feel free to respond by e-mail
directly to me at lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Again thanks
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: 18 May 1998 14:38:02 -0500
From: Dave.Sontos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Driver Door Stuck
Some how I've managed to get the driver side door stuck where the back
latch
is latched and the front latch has jambed but not closed completely. I
can't
get the door open or fully closed now. With a regular door you only have
one
latch to worry about, here you have two. And I just got the transmission
working again.
I'm afraid of bending the door if I try prying on it. Anyone else have any
experience un-jambing doors. Would taking off the inside panel help any?
Thanks,
Dave
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Date: 19 May 1998 09:01:08 -0500
From: Dave.Sontos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Bad Electrical Connections
As I continue to work my way through the myrid of problems in restoring
my "D"
I am finding that the ratio of electrical versus mechanical problems is
about
95% electrical. Of that 95%, loose 1/4" spade connectors seems to be the
number one problem area. I have also found two of my problems were due to
contacts inside plugs being pushed out the back of the plug. One was in
the
start relay. One day the car would start fine, and the next day nothing. I
pulled the relay out and checked the contacts, they were clean, swapped
the
relay with another, the old one worked fine in the test slot. After many
hours
of head scratching I finally took a flashlight and looked down into the
relay
base connector and then I saw the one contact pushed down out the back of
the
relay base. Removing the base from the bracket I used my needle nose
pliers to
push the pin back into the base. Problem fixed. Just be careful
re-installing
the relay, I had to hold the wire with the pliers while pushing the relay
in
to prevent the contact pushing out again.
I also removed the Negative Battery ground wire from the frame connection
and
replaced it with a longer cable I attached to the engine block. I than
ran a
short cable from the block back to the frame. And I used star lock
washers for
a better bite.
So if you start having strange intermitent problems, start by removing the
ground cables and cleaning and tightening the connections first. Just
visual
inspection will not prove a good electrical connection, you must remove
and
clean the point of contact using sand paper, wire brush, steel wool, etc.
Now if I can just get my door open.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: jeremiah falles <dmc_racing_lmtd@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: speedos and taillights
dear fellow dmlers,
i was talking to a friend last night and he asked me 2 questions that
i need help answering.
question1: on some d's the speedo read 10,20,30,ect. and on others it
read 15,25,35,ect. is this true and so why was it like that?
question2: my friend said that the europeaen d's had altered
taillights to fit the license plates, is this true?
razzz
no d yet
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:33:00 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Getting Driver Door Unstuck
Dave Sontos said:
> Some how I've managed to get the driver side door stuck where
> the back latch is latched and the front latch has jambed but not
> closed completely.
I know how you feel, Dave. This stinks!
I will bet you have a fairly early 81 DeLorean and your driver's door
doesn't have door guides. Mine is a guideless early 81 and this happens
to me all the time, especially when I park on a slight slope.
The good news is, IF your door is like mine, it is only the pressure of
the
door against the doorframe that is holding it closed. Have someone
inside the car hold the lock in the unlocked position with one hand, and
push outwards with the other. At the same time you pull firmly on
outside door handle with one hand and the bottom of the door with the
other. You should be able to work the door open without breaking
anything. This has never failed to open mine.
The bad news is that if your door closes like this many times you will
eventually damage the internal latch mechanism. Don't let this happen to
you!
I have been told the cure is to install a set of door guides. These
should
be available from DMC Houston (and possible other supply houses). I
have a set of guides which I planned on installing over the winter, but I
have been procrastinating. It looks like an easy job and I hope to have
them installed before Cincinnati.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:09:11 +0000
From: kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: RE: Cooling fan electrical problem
Hi again.
Duke,
> I'm not sure if I quite understand what you mean, do the cooling fans =
> come on with the A/C but not to cool the engine or do they not come on =
> at all?
No the fans NEVER come on. There is no power being provided to the
fan fail relay socket (where the two fused jumpers are located). If I
jumper around the thermal breaker AT THE RELAY SOCKETS I can force
the fans to come on. So, Am I right about where the themo switch is?
Is it the one with the black wire with the orange stripe and the
brown wire with the orange stripe?
> I don't know if this will help, but if you go to the engine =
> compartment and look on the driver's side, you'll see a cooling pipe. =
> On the bottom of it is your thermo switch.
I checked there first. I don't know if the switch is any good though
because the problem looks to be farther upstream. And no, turning on
the AC does not cause the fans to come on.
There MUST be something else between the two relay sockets besides
the thermo switch, but I don't see it. The wires disappear into the
wiring harness, they don't just go between the two relay sockets.
So the next thing I'm going to do is ohm out the wires themselfs and
check the connectors in the relay sockets.
Thanks again for your time...
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:04:44 -0400
From: Wade Shapiro <shapiro3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean comic
Is there anyone who would send me this comic from their paper? (or maybe
pick
up an extra copy) We do not have this comic in our paper, and as a D
enthusiast/collector I would really love to have a copy of this. Please
reply
to me directly.
Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks,
Wade
Carol Kempton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> If you check out today's Sunday comic papers you'll find a comic by
> Wiley Miller titled Wiley's Non Sequitur. The comic is a take-off on
> Star Trek titled Lost Leonard's Log. It shows Leonard sitting beside a
> automobile with a futuritic bubble top. Wiley is using a laptop computer
> to type Stardate 2498.05.17 "Still marooned back in the Dark Age of 21st
> century Earth, my search for an astrophysicist to help me find my way
> home continues..." and a young kid beside him is pointing a the car and
> saying "HEY.....IS THAT A DELOREAN?". Check it out.
>
> Kirk & Carol Kempton
> VIN#5721
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:34:00 +0000
From: kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Cooling fan electrical problem found
Found it!
It turned out to be the fan fail overide jumpers. Whoever
built the overide jumpers used too small of a spade lug for
the gauge of the 2 wires going to the in-line fuses. That made for a
poor crimp. I re-crimped the jumpers and the fan started when I
jumpered across the thermal switch on the motor (I'll make sure it
comes on with the air conditioner too). So, I'm off to buy some new
spade lugs.
Now I can get back to the broken fan. Then I'll have my car working
100%!*
* After I get the passenger window motor fixed, and replace the
headliners and the leaking oil pressure sender.. etc. etc.. You all
know what I mean!
See you in Cincinnati!
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:13:59 -0700
From: Matt Peak <mpeak@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Bloomberg Article
The Delorean Marquee couldn't have asked for a better article than the
Bloomberg Magazine article. The author loves his Delorean! I was
wondering if anybody could validate his comments that the point of putting
smaller diameter wheels in front is "to minimize oversteer and offer
better
overall handling." Can somebody please explain the physics behind this?
Wouldn't larger diameter wheels in the front place more surface area on
the
road and thus help the car steer and corner better?
Matt Peak
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:17:09 +0200
From: Christoph.Osterspey@xxxxxxxxxxx (Eric Altendorf)
Subject: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
I am very interested in obtaining copies of any blueprints, scale
drawings, specifications, or any other documents detailing the design,
dimensions, and construction of the DeLorean. I'm after information,
not collectors' items, so I do not necessarily seek originals.
What happened to all those files? Are any of them available anywhere
now? Incidentally, was any of the design on computer? Where did those
computer files go? Please contact me if you have any information about
where to find them. Also, if you have some good documents, I may be
willing to buy them, or buy copies from you.
Thank you,
- -e.
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:59:57 -0700
From: "Stephen Jaeger" <sjaeger01@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Exhaust manifolds.
Someone recently asked about dressing up his exhaust manifolds.
There will be a segment on Hot Rod TV on TNN next weekend covering
this subject.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:23:21 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Comic Strip
Carol Kempton mentioned a DeLorean punchline in one of Sunday's
comic strips called "Non Sequitur." If your paper doesn't carry "Non
Sequitur" you should be able to it next week in a set of comic strip back
issues at:
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:13:37 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Cooling fan electrical problem
Ken,
>From what you describe it sounds as if you're not getting 12V to the
switch
side of the fan relay. Go to the rear of the car & locate the temperature
sensor located in the coolant return pipe coming from the water pump, pull
the two connectors from the bottom of the sensor (green and black/orange)
and short the two leads together, the fans should come on. I assume you
have checked fuse no. 5 which is part of that circuit. If that doesn't
work
let me know.
As for your broken roll pin I doubt of you can change the pin and replace
the E clip without dropping the whole assembly. If you are not able to
locate a replacement clip let me know, I have a couple of used ones on the
shelf.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Cooling fan electrical problem
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 1998 7:12 PM
>
(SNIP)
> Right now I also have 1 bad fan (the pin in the axel of the fan motor
> broke -- the motor runs but it doesn't drive the fan blades). I'm
> going to make a really long punch to remove the broken pin and I hope
> the parts folk have the E clip that holds the fan blades on. I guess
> it's a good thing the weather has been so cold. At least I can run
> the car around a bit.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
> Sacramento, CA
> kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
> Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
> Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
> (916) 278-7646
> http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
> -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:22:06 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dash covers
To: All,
Does anyone know of a source for dash board covers for the DMC?
I have read many threads about cracking Dash material and getting them
recovered, but nothing about covers to shield them from the Sun. I note
that mine gets to hot to touch just driving down the road or leaving my D
parked in the sun.
And for California owners, Has any one used tinting material on the side
passenger windows? And if so were the movable windows done too?
what material (source was used) was used?
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: max headroom <_designer_@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: History Channel
Hello.
With the qualifications of the DMC, doesn't it seem odd that it didn't
make the list (yet) ? Perhaps someone at the HC doesn't like DMCs...
In my vote, I made sure to mention:
Lotus engineering;
Renault racing components;
British leather;
Italian styling;
American 60's muscle car roots.
Hope this helps!
> Channel that the DeLorean is worthy of its OWN show. The History
> Channel's
> voting page can be found at :
>
> http://www.historychannel.com/sweeps/poll.html
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Date: Mon, 18 May 98 22:38:02 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Midwest Club Tech Session
The DeLorean Midwest Connection Club held our Annual (more-or-less)
Spring Tech day over this past weekend. Don Steger was present to provide
technical help and advice. We used a fantastic auto shop at the new
Neuqua Valley High School in Naperville IL. There were 15 Deloreans in
the parking lot and garages (The "Silver Fox" brought TWO), quite a site
for the public that was attending a fine-arts festival in process at the
same time.
In 8 hours we accomplished two cooling hose changes, a front brake job
including turning rotors, trailing arm bolt replacements, safety checks,
several oil changes and cooling flushes, a couple of window repairs, and
some other electrical fixes. There was also quite a bit of
information-exchange and general advice-giving. Don Steger was
miraculously able to diagnose and repair the electrical gremlin that Dan
McGauley had been wrestling with for several weeks. I also hosted Don
Steger for an evening of rooftop torsion bar reinforcement back at my
garage - one of the benefits of playing host. A great time was had by
all, with many of the members discussing the upcoming pilgrimmage to
Cincinnati. It was good to see many of the regular DML-posters in
attendance, including Dan McGauley, Don Gowler, Guy Avellon, Jameel Ahed,
Tony Swiantek, and others I may be forgetting at the moment.
Congratulations to Jameel - his car really is all put back together and
running well after its major engine surgery.
See you all in Cincinnati........
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:37:34 -0700
From: Moore <psmdiver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Driver Door Stuck
As a matter of fact I have. Had to crall in from the pass. side, remove
the door panel and reach in and pull the release manually. I can go
into greater detail if you wish.
Bill Moore, vin:6691
ps: forgot to mention, I've did it twice. once playong with the door
lock and another time it jammed by it self. the second time was caused
by a loose lock post ( i guess that is what it is called )
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:52:13 -0700
From: Moore <psmdiver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: engine problem
recently, my engine refuses to obtain power while cold. If the engine
is cold it will idle fine however it will not produce enough power to
pull the car out of a wet paper sack. If the engine is allowed to
warmup to normal operating temperature the vehicle will run fine. Any
suggestions???
Also, I have noticed that the engine doesn't oscillate in RPM/idle while
cold.
Bill Moore VIN:6691
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:36:05 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
I havent gotten any responses yet about the May, 23 meeting. It
looks like things are off. Scott Mueller suggested that we get together
sometime after the cincinati meeting. I was wondering how many people
would like to still attend a Biloxi, meeting at a later date?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:48:23 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Springs
Hey folks..
I was just curious about the springs in my D... It's been lowered by
a previous owner, but I don't know what was done to it to lower it.
None of the spings look cut or "heated" (as they appear to have a
good spacing bewteen each revolution of the coil) and there aren't
any lowering blocks or clips or anything. The spings seem to be
a perfect fit as well. The only thing that's weird to me is the rear
springs don't compress very much (at all), while the front springs
compress easily (just pushing down on the front or back of the car).
I was wondering how Deloreans with the "correct" lowering springs
are supposed to act like, and if there is any way to tell if I have the
"good" springs?
Oh, BTW: I'm having a problem keeping the rear CV joint boots
from slipping off.. Does anyone have any advice?
Thanks!
Dave
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 16:49:52 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Driver Door Stuck
> I'm afraid of bending the door if I try prying on it. Anyone else have any
> experience un-jambing doors. Would taking off the inside panel help any?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
There is a maze of link arms inside the door. Thats probably where you
will have
to look to get it open. What happens is that over time, as things wear,
the length
of the link arms can change and cause the latches to start operating one
before the
other. Eventually, it leads to one or both of the latches not unlatching
at the end of the
travel of the pull handle. Just remove that upper door panel and
disconnect the arms from
the bellcrank. Pull, push, whatever and it should open. look at
everything carefully, you may
have broken one of the plastic ends of the latch assembly. After you get
it open, you should adjust
everything carefully, so it will not happen again.
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 16:58:34 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum Hrdc-drhc" <rob.corkum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Front shock travel -- Change required?
Quick question:
If the front end is lowered approximately 1.5" - 2" with shorter shocks,
is
there a real requirement for shorter shocks as well, or is there enough
remaining upwards travel in the stock shocks? Maybe someonw who has had
their front end suspension apart recently might know.
Thanks,
//Rob//
vin 1723
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:05:57 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Worlds Strangest Cars!!
James suggested a book entitled "The Worlds Strangest Automobiles", =
as having an article on the De Lorean in it. I recently purchased the =
book and found the article on pages 52 and 53 with pictures and some =
text on the following two pages. They were very good, however something =
else in this hard back book caught my eye. =20
On pages 94 and 95 is a nice picture of a customized Porsche 928 =
built for a Japanese business man who wanted something =
different...amongst other things are the very nice looking gull =
wings....these appear to be operated with twin struts at the rear. No =
torsion bar. =20
Then on Page 111 is another Custom built car...this time a one off =
Beetle....and its interesting feature is that it also has gull =
wings.....again, very nice job . This one uses TWO struts, one at the =
front and one at the rear. =20
Both of the above custom cars appear to have thin light weight =
doors. =20
I just thought this was something that might be of interest to gull =
wing aficianado's!!
Murray Fisher
Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 17:20:02 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum Hrdc-drhc" <rob.corkum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Steel Braid Clutch Line - Specs?
What are the specs on the replacement steel-braided clutch line?
Length, inner diameter, manufacturers, etc.
I'd like to get this one done before Ohio as well. 8-)
Thanks,
//Rob//
vin 1723
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:20:22 EDT
From: MATT88D <MATT88D@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fwd: Hist-Prog-Other unlisted Greatest Sports Car Ever!
Dear Group,
My business partner has just received this message from the History
Channel.
See what you think.
MDC
P.S. More info and changes are on the way.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:15:06
To: MDC16212@xxxxxxx
From: The History Channel Online <justin@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hist-Prog-Other unlisted Greatest Sports Car Ever!
History channel response!
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:15:06
To: MDC16212@xxxxxxx
From: The History Channel Online <justin@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hist-Prog-Other unlisted Greatest Sports Car Ever!
At 03:28 PM 5/14/98, you wrote:
>User Name: Matthew D. Cooley
>:::
>User Comments:
>Please look at the message boards and reconsider the absence of the
>Delorean Sports Car. The public deserves education on this fabulous piece
>of history.
>
Thank you for your comments regarding The History Channel website. Based
on popular demand in the message boards, we will post a co-winner.
Thanks again for your comments.
Sincerely,
- -The History Channel Online
WE'RE ON THE WEB AT:
http://www.AandE.com
http://www.Biography.com
http://www.HistoryChannel.com
http://www.HistoryTravel.com
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:24:37 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Dash covers
Mr. Seiler,
Dash cover manufacture:
California Car Cover Co, 800-423-5525
Cost $29.95 + $4.00 Shipping in carpet
$39.95 + $4.00 Shipping in velour
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:45:07 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Dash covers
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> To: All,
>
> Does anyone know of a source for dash board covers for the DMC?
>
> lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Lee, I bought a Dash Pad from "Dash Mats" They have pads for just about
all vehicles. http://www.dashmat.com
I have had my grey one for years. I just laid it on top, I did not
fasten it down. My dash looks as good as new.
Any new info on your web site or the DeLorean Models?
Scott Mueller
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:56:29 -0500
From: "Thomas Bohmier" <bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
Regarding Blue Prints:
I only know that Lotus designed the car over a two year period. I do not
know if they did anything on computer, but there is always a chance. I
don't undertand why the government destroyed alot of the molds/dies. I
would like to know which ones were destroyed because I understand that the
stainless steel was fabricated in Germany and finished in Ireland. Was one
of the molds/dies that were destroyed the one that provided the unique
grain to the DMC? What ever stopped someone or some group from retrieving
the original designs from Lotus, contacting the contractors who built and
may still build various components, and re-build the molds/dies for the
missing elements. With those components in place, the DMC could be built
again with a few improvements and changes as needed.
Just food for thought!
Thomas Bohmier
Dallas, Texas
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> From: Eric Altendorf <Christoph.Osterspey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 5:17 AM
>
> I am very interested in obtaining copies of any blueprints, scale
> drawings, specifications, or any other documents detailing the design,
> dimensions, and construction of the DeLorean. I'm after information,
> not collectors' items, so I do not necessarily seek originals.
>
> What happened to all those files? Are any of them available anywhere
> now? Incidentally, was any of the design on computer? Where did those
> computer files go? Please contact me if you have any information about
> where to find them. Also, if you have some good documents, I may be
> willing to buy them, or buy copies from you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -e.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:07:00 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Window Tint (was: Dash covers)
Mr. Seiler,
Dark tinted windows in the front passenger and drivers windows are
illegal in
many states.
There is a light tint that is legal. What percentage of tint is
allowed??
Anyway, it is so light it is not worth it?
What I have done to resolve this situation was to use a "silver colored
tint"
of 3 3/4" across the top of the driver and the passenger windows. It is
enough to cover the head and shoulders while not "visually" covering the
car
compartment to make the "authorities" harass you.
The silver tint goes with the car nicely. It is a little trying some to
apply
such a small strip especially if you donot have experience in this area of
applying tint material.
To apply the strip of tint you have to make a template.
I have made the templates for the window tint, EXACT FIT. The height and
front to rear.
To install the tint take all the front, rear and headliner trim off.
Clean the glass, scrumptiously, use razor to take off any imperfections
not
supposedly to be on the glass.
Clean glass again, with window cleaner, then followed by water with a
vinegar
(table spoon to 2 quarts of water), then clean glass again with window
cleaner, then wet glass area, then artistically apply the tint,
BECAREFUL,
WHEN APPLYING THE TINT. Position exactly over and on the area of the
glass.Touch nothing and don't allow it to "wrinkle." If you do, it will
look
UGLY!!!
Press, squeegee all excess water and air bubbles from between the tint and
window glass.
Use heat gun carefully, or hair dryer.
Then let it dry. You will love it, if done and apply correctly.
Legal??? Should be. Didn't cover the COMPLETE WINDOW GLASS, just 3 3/4"
from front to back. Had mind on as long as I had the car, just 2 1/2
years,
no problems with the authorities.........Yet!
Kayo Ong
#05508
LIC 9D NY
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:22:39 -0400
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: DML: Midwest Club Tech Session
Wow!- Dave,- sounds too cool! I'm here in an eastern suburb of Detroit.
Nothin' going on around here like that [at least that I know of]. Are
you aware of any club activity in my area? Where are you guys based
[meetings]? Several years ago I was a member of DOA,but all
local activity stoped because of our area president's time constraints.
Sure miss some great times and road trips.Thanks in advance.
Dan - owner since 84 vin# 7065
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 17:57:30 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
On 5/18/98 3:17 AM, Eric Altendorf shared these fine thoughts...
>I am very interested in obtaining copies of any blueprints, scale
>drawings, specifications, or any other documents detailing the design,
>dimensions, and construction of the DeLorean. I'm after information,
>not collectors' items, so I do not necessarily seek originals.
A guy (neildyer@xxxxxxx) posted to the list awhile back that he had what
he believed to be a complete set of engineering drawings for the car that
were in a house that he bought from Lotus near Hethel. He's been trying
to unload them for some time, but with Stephen Wynne/DeLorean Motor
Company having a complete set also, their value for the most part is as a
collectible.
A former DMCL employee that was at EuroFest this time last year was
selling copies of drawing of the plant. If interested, I can look in to
having copies made of the one I have for folks on the list. Let me know.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:34:31 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
As I mentioned in a previous post, Rob Lamrock leant me a paper on the
PRV-6 engine. It goes into GREAT detail on the design of the engine, right
down to the maths. As soon as I can find a reliable way of transferring
the
scans from my mate's computer (e-mail attachments seem sofar to be
unsuccessful) I was going to post them to James to put on the web page, if
people would like that.
Cheers,
Martin
Eric Altendorf wrote:
> I am very interested in obtaining copies of any blueprints, scale
> drawings, specifications, or any other documents detailing the design,
> dimensions, and construction of the DeLorean. I'm after information,
> not collectors' items, so I do not necessarily seek originals.
>
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 19:36:54 MDT
From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" <PhillipsJT00.CS33.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re:DML: Worlds Strangest Cars!!
Oddly enough I was flipping through that book at a used book store this
weekend. I think that the article had a negative slant with comments
like
the "artificially jut-jawed DeLorean" refering to his plastic surgery.
Other
than that its interesting to note that the DeLorean was featured with
cars
shaped like giant oranges, and cars with two doors, one on the front and
one on the back.
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:41:39 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: speedos and taillights
Answers to both questions: 2 differences between the original and the
"euro" (read English - right-hand drive) spec cars.
1: the speedo goes up to 140 mph - this increments in multiples of 20.
2: The rear assembly is not so much different for the different plates,
as to accommodate the mandatory "fog" lights. The car I have seen uses a
rear assembly taken strait off a trailer (!). Incidentally, the "number
plate" over here belongs to the car and not the owner (i.e. when you sell
a car, the plate goes with it)
Hope this helps,
Martin
jeremiah falles wrote:
> dear fellow dmlers,
> i was talking to a friend last night and he asked me 2 questions that
> i need help answering.
> question1: on some d's the speedo read 10,20,30,ect. and on others it
> read 15,25,35,ect. is this true and so why was it like that?
> question2: my friend said that the europeaen d's had altered
> taillights to fit the license plates, is this true?
>
> razzz
> no d yet
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:45:13 -0700
From: Moore <psmdiver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Dash covers
I purchased a dash cover from Delorean 1 some years back.
Bill vin6691
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:01:23 -0400
From: Dan <dan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Pontiac Commercial.
Just a bit of irony for ya:
I just saw a new Pontiac commercial on TV. The announcer shows a shot of a
65 GTO convertible and says "Don't you think that the guy who designed the
GTO deserves a monument?"
So, did GM forgive and forget or just forget?
Dan
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:59:59 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Springs - which is front and which is rear?
I bought a set of the Fred Lockett lowered springs and they were not
marked front and rear. Any way to tell (short of installing them) which
is which?
One pair is 16.5 inches long, the other pair are 14.5 inches long. Would
I be correct in guessing that the longer ones are for the rear?
Also, Dave, what was that spring compressor you recommended? Anything to
look out for in the remove and replace process?
James
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 19:14:36 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DML'ing in person here in Phoenix
This past Sunday afternoon I had the opportunity to meet up with longtime
DeLorean owner and DML'er Bill Swilley. I first met Bill last summer in
Belfast, though he works in Saudi Arabia and calls Houston home.
He was passing through Phoenix on his way up to the Grand Canyon in his
81 DeLorean, which Stephen Wynne cares for and stores while Bill in is
Saudi.
Bill was with his daughter, Shannon, who attends UofA in Tucson and we
took a quick drive up to Canyon Lake and Tortilla Flat, a lunch stop in
the mountains near the lake. Our two DeLorean's garnered as much or more
attention that the beautiful scenery and more than a few people stopped
to ask us questions about the cars.
Bill's car has had some performance work done to the motor, including
porting and polishing the heads and a slightly tweaked cam. I drove it
briefly and noticed a sizable difference in the top end of the car.
Whereas my 82 5-speed has given it's all at about 4800-5000 rpm in the
higher gears, Bill's kept right on pulling straight up to the redline. A
definite improvement.
His car also has a set of original DeLorean wheels that have been
stripped, polished and clearcoated. WOW! Without looking "chromey" the
wheels now match the body of the car almost perfectly. I was very
impressed with these and intend to put a set on the DMC-News Project Car.
Bill says they run about $200 each exchange.
Bill's car also has a set of Stephen's new Euro springs which are
advertised as being the original design springs for the car. I took some
photos of our cars side by side (mine is stock) and will post them when I
get them developed.
It was great to see Bill again, and I am glad he was able to take some
time out of his busy vacation to meet up with me. Bill, next time I am in
your neighborhood, we'll do it again!
James
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 19:17:44 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Chirping from brakes while driving
I'm recently noticing a "chirping" from the drivers front wheel as the
car is in motion, if I lightly tap or apply the brakes it stops. I pulled
the front wheel today and noticed nothing unusual.
Anyone offer any insight on this?
James
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:54:18 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
Eric,
I have been researching and servicing DeLoreans since 1984, I believe I
have every technical printing ever created for the car, I even have a
master prototype electrical schematic. To the best of my knowledge all of
the technical information available for the car is contained in the
following publications:
Workshop Manual, Technical Information Manual, and Parts Manual.
I have not seen any computer generated info. Considering that all of the
publications were created in the late 70's I doubt if anything was ever
computer based.
The hard cover book "Stainless Steel Illusion" is an excellent source of
information documenting the design and construction of the DeLorean,
unfortunately this outstanding book is very difficult to obtain. Yes, I do
have an original copy and I still use it for reference. The facts are that
when you consider all of the problems the DeLorean Motor Company had in
just trying to keep the factory open and trying to sell cars it's no
wonder
that technical information was somewhat as an after thought.
As an example even though the electric's had hundreds of modifications
from
the fist car to the last only one schematic diagram was ever published.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: Eric Altendorf <Christoph.Osterspey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Wanted: Blueprints, plans, specifications, etc.
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 6:17 AM
>
> I am very interested in obtaining copies of any blueprints, scale
> drawings, specifications, or any other documents detailing the design,
> dimensions, and construction of the DeLorean. I'm after information,
> not collectors' items, so I do not necessarily seek originals.
>
> What happened to all those files? Are any of them available anywhere
> now? Incidentally, was any of the design on computer? Where did those
> computer files go? Please contact me if you have any information about
> where to find them. Also, if you have some good documents, I may be
> willing to buy them, or buy copies from you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -e.
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