dmcnews-digest V3 #364

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Title: dmcnews-digest V3 #364

dmcnews-digest          Tuesday, May 12 1998          Volume 03 : Number 364

       In this issue:
        DML: For Sale
        DML: DeLoreans on "My Classic Car" and "Simpsons"
        DML: Delorean Handbrake - is it borrowed?
        Re: DML: front to back?
        Re: DML: Birmingham Car show.
        DML: re: Spring Compressor
        DML: PREMO DELOREAN FOR SALE 5600 MI.
        DML: Re: For Sale
        DML: Movies
        DML: History Channel : Greatest Sports Car ever
        DML: parts
        DML: Re: Delorean Handbrake - is it borrowed?
        DML: Exhaust manifold rebuild
        Re: DML: hello
        DML: Re: hello
        DML: DeLorean at Harris St. Motor Museum in Sydney
        Re: DML: Re: For Sale
        DML: Frame serial number
        Re: DML: Frame serial number
        DML: RE: Re: hello
        DML: Re: Southeastern DeLorean Club
        DML: Springs & Belts
        DML: Tires
        DML: RE: History Channel : Greatest Sports Car ever
        Re: DML: RE: Re: hello
        DML: Re: Re: Southeastern DeLorean Club
        DML: Lower door trim

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:16:24 EDT
From: CDI USAMPS <CDIUSAMPS@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: For Sale

Woke up this morning and don't want to play anymore.  I have two DMC 12
for
sale, 1981, 22K mi; 1982, 6600 mi (correct mileage), and a bunch of parts
and
DMC stuff too numerous to list here.  E-mail me directly for info.  I want
everything to go in one lot.  BILL

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:52:57 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLoreans on "My Classic Car" and "Simpsons"

The "My Classic Car" featuring Lincoln Nation's DeLorean talk should be
this weekend.  Look for it on TNN,  Sunday, May 10th at 2:30 Eastern
Time.

The "Simpsons" episode featuring an animated DeLorean should be
shown in most markets Wednesday, May 27, 1998.  Since this is a
sydicated re-run, you must check local listings for time.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:42:28 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean Handbrake - is it borrowed?

Hey y'all...  I was just wondering if anyone out there
knew if the handbrake lever in our Deloreans was
also used in another car? (Looks very close to a
VW handbrake)..

The reason I ask is because the rubber boot looks really
tacky at the base where it is just "floating", and I've
seen some really nice leather VW boots...

Thanks!!
Dave

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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:29:33 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: front to back?

I don't know any details, but in talking to some of the guys at the show
over
last weekend, this is NOT recommended. I suggest getting the
re-manufactured
lowered springs from DMC Houston (but that's from talking to the guy who
sells
them :-)

Incidentally, I saw a VERY impressive demonstration at the show of a
product
called Activ-8. It's an oil additive in the same market as slick 50, but
works
MUCH better (it was in the demo) Anyone use it?

Martin

Jameel Ahed wrote:

> Dear DML,
>     I have the 1.5 inch lowered front springs from PJ Grady on my car
> right
> now.  The rear springs are taking a long time to be made up so I was
> wondering about the whole front rear switch idea.  I know in the past we
> have talked about taking the front original springs and moving them to the
> back and cutting the backs and moving them to the front.  Now do these
> original springs have the same spring constant? (k)  Since I have the
> dropped front springs, if I move my original front springs to the back do
> you guys think it will look okay?  How many inches do these springs drop
> the
> rear?  Will that drastically change the camber caster of my rear wheels?
> Thanx for the help...
> I am really interested in finding out how many inches moving the front to
> the rear will lower the rear!
> Jameel
>

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:47:51 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Birmingham Car show.

Somehow the pound sign has been translated to "=A3" in my last posts.

Martin

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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 21:26:59 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Spring Compressor

 "Brandon S. Moody" wrote:
>Subject: DML: springs ?
>
>Lots of talk lately on new springs.  My question is this:
>Does anyone have any recomendations on a good
>spring compressor ?  I have a set that I have used in
>the past to work on D cars, but they are really too big,
>especially for the front .   Have wondered for some time
>if there was a smaller set out there somewhere ?
I use a Ken-Tool #39730 MacPherson Strut Compressor. I finally bought
this one after renting it more than enough times to pay for it. Available
at NAPA for about $57. I tried a 3-piece external spring compressor
(no-name rental)  and about killed myself. This one is a nice design,
2-piece, and fit very well on the DMC. As you have noticed, there isn't a
lot of rrom to work in the front because the frame covers up a lot of the
spring. Another nice thing is that it will work on most modern cars with
Struts as well.

Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:03:00 EDT
From: RFHawk <RFHawk@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PREMO DELOREAN FOR SALE 5600 MI.

 ANY ONE WANT A PREOWNED DELOREAN. TROPHYS FOR MOST ORIGINAL,  & PEOPLES
CHOICE. HAS ORIG. GERMAN MADE NCT TIRES. HAS BEEN METICULOUSLY CARED FOR
BY
DON AT THE DELOREAN MOTOR CENTER IN GARDEN GROVE, CA. CAR HAS BEEN DRIVEN
JUST
ENOUGH TO KEEP IT RUNNING GOOD. ASKING 25000.00. MORE INF0.
RFFHAWK@xxxxxxxx

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 13:12:33 -0500
From: "C. Longwisch" <CL1954@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: For Sale

Need the e-mail address to reply to for CDI USAMPS D items for sale.

Cecil Longwisch
DMC1982
VIN# 10663

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:10:31 +1000
From: Steve <dmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Movies

I found another movie with a DeLorean in it. I'm not sure if anyone has
picked it up. It is in Lawnmower Man 2, but only appears for a few
seconds,
driving into a tunnel just after the woman hits the kids with her car.

Is there a listing of movies where the D's appear yet?

Steve

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:04:55 EDT
From: ABatt10347 <ABatt10347@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: History Channel : Greatest Sports Car ever

Fellow DMCer's,
The History Channel is taking a poll, (during the month of June they will
have
programs on the greats sports cars ever), and while our car (Delorean) is
not
in their poll, they do have a web site for voting. Go to
http://www.historychannel.com  and vote. The Delorean is not on the list
but
there is a place for adding your comments. Maybe if enough people draw
attention to our car we can get it added to the list. See you in
Ohio.................................
Bruce Battles
Vin # 6569

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Date: Sun, 10 May 98 01:06:46 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: parts

I have a complete fiberglass underbody for
sale.  If interested, send mail to bsmoody@xxxxxxx

- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 13:45:10 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean Handbrake - is it borrowed?

Hi Dave,
We have been doing research on crossover parts since 1984, I do not know
of
any other application for the DeLorean hand brake. The base of the rubber
boot in question is designed to fit snugly in side the crescent shaped
trim
cover, for unknown reasons in many cars the boot seems a little short, to
correct for that problem do whatever is necessary to raise the height of
the trim cover to be sure that the boot does not slip out.
Joe/DeLorean Services

- ----------
> Hey y'all...  I was just wondering if anyone out there
> knew if the handbrake lever in our Deloreans was
> also used in another car? (Looks very close to a
> VW handbrake)..
>
> The reason I ask is because the rubber boot looks really
> tacky at the base where it is just "floating", and I've
> seen some really nice leather VW boots...
>
> Thanks!!
> Dave

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:10:55 -0500
From: "James Hamilton" <a0003713@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Exhaust manifold rebuild

I have noticed some activity about the exhaust manifold rebuild being
talked about.  I too have been looking into this job.  I have been
spraying
all the post with liquid wrench for the last two weeks and to help I
removed the hot air intake stove.  Anyway I noticed I have  two posts
missing on the right manifold.  My question is this.  There are two unused
holes per cylinder that are tapped but have no posts.  The existing
manifold does not makes use of these holes.  Can I get a manifold that can
make use of these tapped holes or am I stuck with having to do the
machining ( big big bitch of a job as you could imagine )?  Also the
existing posts are not in the best of shape.  How do you remove the
posts?
One last question.  The condition of the exhaust manifolds are typical of
a
car this age (rusty). When I replace them I would like to make them
better.
 You know so they wont rust.  Is there a better manifold I could install
or
can you chrome them or something?  Thanks Jim.

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:29:16 +0000
From: Michael Hanley <mjhanley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: hello

Nice to have you in the family Albert.  I too recently acquired my D a
few months ago and have been wanting one since I ws a little kid.  It is
so wonderful finally having that dream coe true, I got an 81 as well,
gas flap and all Vin#0981 one of the first 500 of the assembly line.
Pretty cool.  Well it is int he shop for service right now but soon we
will be reunited.  Have fun with your car and best wishes.

Mike Hanley

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:56:00 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: hello

Albert,
Congratulations on your DeLorean purchase. If you have any questions
concerning service or parts let us know we'd be happy to help.
Joe & Bob/DeLorean Services

- ----------
> From: Albert Siegel <siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: hello
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 11:45 AM
>
> I am new to the De Lorean list and a new De Lorean owner.  I have wanted
> this car from the time I was a young boy.  I now have that dream De
> Lorean.  1981 VIN# 2009, 45,000 miles, Auto, Gas flap, all in mint
> condition (except for the dash) for $13,000.  I think I did good.
> Anyways, I hope to make many friends here on this list and would like to
> meet other De Lorean Owners in the Mimai Florida area. 
>
>       Albert Siegel

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:09:10 +1000
From: "Troy R. Haslewood" <delorean@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean at Harris St. Motor Museum in Sydney

G'day all,
        Today my folks and I went to see the DeLorean that was at the
Motor
Museum in Harris St. (neer Darling Harbour, Sydney). The guy that works
there told me that it was a factory-original Right-Hand Drive. It seems to
be in pretty good condition (except for a few minor scratches and finger
prints all over it), and I noticed that the hood had the "De Lorean"
emblem
on it. It is a privately owned car, and the guy told me that the owner was
thinking about selling it (so naturally we asked the guy to get the owner
to
call us). So, if you're in Darling Harbour, I suggest you go see it. They
also had a Lambourghini there, but besides that and a few Jaguars and
Porsches most of the other cars are 40s, 50s and 60s type cars.

Troy R. Haslewood,
Sydney Australia
http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
UIN# 4316376

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:52:10 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: For Sale

C. Longwisch wrote:
>
> Need the e-mail address to reply to for CDI USAMPS D items for sale.
>
> Cecil Longwisch
> DMC1982
> VIN# 10663

reply to cdiusamps@xxxxxxx

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:47:58 -0400
From: Sean Mullally <mullally@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Frame serial number

I was cleaning the underside of my DeLorean's engine and the surrounding
area
yesterday. Some really gross crud can build up in the nooks and crannies
over
the years! Anyway, I found a serial number on my frame. It is facing the
engine,
directly above the catalytic converter. It has 003363 stamped in one or
two inch
tall digits. What's funny is that is not my VIN, but it is close. (my vin
is
3868) Is this number independent of the VIN or are they supposed to be
the same?

My car has no evidence of being reassembled in some way. But then again,
I'm not
the original owner, and the previous owner could have done an impeccable
job I
suppose.

- -Sean

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Date: Sun, 10 May 98 15:33:53 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Frame serial number

On 5/10/98 2:50 PM, Sean Mullally shared these fine thoughts...

>I was cleaning the underside of my DeLorean's engine and the surrounding area
>yesterday. Some really gross crud can build up in the nooks and crannies over
>the years! Anyway, I found a serial number on my frame. It is facing the
>engine,
>directly above the catalytic converter. It has 003363 stamped in one or
>two inch
>tall digits. What's funny is that is not my VIN, but it is close. (my vin is
>3868) Is this number independent of the VIN or are they supposed to be the
>same?

I ran across a list while at the dmc (Houston) warehouse last November in
Columbus. It showed all the VIN's, their corresponding frame numbers,
engine numbers transmission type and interior color. The only thing that
it did NOT show was the build month and year. Frame numbers did NOT
correspond with the VIN, and there seemed to be no correlation between
the frame, engine and VIN's. The list was incomplete, though it did cover
most all the 81's and some of the 82's. I imagine that as the factory was
put into receivership, recordkeeping of that sort became more sporadic.

Maybe in the future Stephen will publish this list?

James

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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:16:22 -0700
From: Gary Hull <ghull@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Re: hello

I would appreciate it if this list didn't continue to look like a daily
advertisement or brag page for DeLorean Services.

Gary Hull
IN2TIME

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:42:20 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Southeastern DeLorean Club

Steve,
The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club (Atlanta, GA.) was established in
1983 as Chapter 5 of DOA. When the local chapters were disbanded a couple
of years ago the club changed its name and continues today with appox. 40
members.
We are Joe & Bob of DeLorean Services and have been the technical
consultants and members of the club since 1984. We have been continuing
members of DOA for the same amount of time.
- ----------
> From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Southeastern DeLorean Club
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 10:50 PM
>
> I hate to sound like a fool but I didn't know that there was a
> Southeastern DeLorean Club.  Could someone please give me some info about
> the club, like how many people are currently members and who is in charge
> of the club.  I just thought it would be nice to find out some info about
> this club since i do live in Louisiana.

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:04:27 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Springs & Belts

To All:

        There have been many threads about lowering the D and springs.

        I haven't seen much in the way of information from DML members about the
actual work, so this may be of interest.

I for one like the look of any car that has an even space around the tire,
and for that reason decided to lower the front end only. I had two reason
for just doing the front and not front and back. First the space around
the
rear tires is already even and second I did not want to loose any more
ground clearance than I had to.

Changing the springs in the front end is quite a job and requires using
the
right tools. For any one who is considering doing it then selves, be sure
you use a spring compressor that will fit in the restricted space in the
front end. It took me a full day to do both right and left. NOTE: the
front
end alignment will change with the new shorter springs, you will have to
realign the front end, do it with a full gas tank! Now the space is even
on
both front and rear tires, and my D has that sleek nose down "Look". 
Given
the choice, if I ever have the need to change "Springs" again I am going
to
have a shop do it! I should also point out that all the nuts and bolts
need
to be soaked in penetrating oil before hand and then cleaned before the
work starts, to avoid busted bolts and knuckles.

One of the most irritating things about the D I have found is the seat
belts. for some reason the shoulder strap cuts into the side of my neck,
and every time I do the left side glance to clear the left lane before
doing a lane change I get the belt against my face! I decided to pull out
the factory installed seat belts in favor of "real" shoulder and lap
harness. I selected the "Schroth Profi-II" which is used widely in many
race cars. They are both  SFI and FISA approved and street legal. They
come
in 3 colors, Red, Yellow and Black. I got Black. The lap Belts (3") are
bolted in using the OEM points of the D, while the shoulder belts are
installed behind the seat using eye bolts in shear. The Profi-II is a 5
point system with Twist quick release. The two shoulder belts (3") are
held
in place by a set of Loops secured by vell-crow (sic) over the seat
shoulders. The installation is very easy and looks impressive with the
shoulder pads hiding the ugly bright yellow product name.

The harness system is very comfortable and easy to hook up and release. It
feels much more secure than the OEM system. There is no problem reaching
the instruments, CD-player etc. Any comments about the D seat belts system
are welcome! And yes I had a police safety check, They were more
interested
in the D than the Installation of the Harness system. In California it is
against the Law to modify any car's OEM seat belt system or fail to use
it,
However it is legal to replace it with an approved alternative.

And Yes they are expensive! as seat belts (harness) go.

Lee Seiler
81DMC-12

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:24:12 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Tires

Looking to purchase a good set of tires all for the Delorean.

I drive my Delorean every day and in all weather, especially in the rain.

Any recommendations?

Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic  9D NY

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:06:00 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: History Channel : Greatest Sports Car ever

I was just at the site (5-11-89   10am est.) and there are currently 11
DeLorean submittions.
Lets flood this poll like the owner satisfaction poll a few months back.
The only car that I saw that has more posts was the Porsche 914 at 23
submittions.

Shannon Yocom

> ----------
> From:         ABatt10347
> Reply To:     dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent:         Saturday, May 9, 1998 1:04 PM
> To:   dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject:      DML: History Channel : Greatest Sports Car ever
>
> Fellow DMCer's,
> The History Channel is taking a poll, (during the month of June they
> will
> have
> programs on the greats sports cars ever), and while our car (Delorean)
> is
> not
> in their poll, they do have a web site for voting. Go to
> http://www.historychannel.com  and vote. The Delorean is not on the
> list
> but
> there is a place for adding your comments. Maybe if enough people draw
> attention to our car we can get it added to the list. See you in
> Ohio.................................
> Bruce Battles
> Vin # 6569

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:15:09 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Re: hello

Gary Hull wrote:
>
> I would appreciate it if this list didn't continue to look like a daily
> advertisement or brag page for DeLorean Services.
>
> Gary Hull
> IN2TIME

If "Delorean Services" provides useful tips to the list users, I would
like to see them continue with there comments and suggestions.  I have
never met Joe or Bob but I suspect that they are dedicated owners and
are promoting the marque.  I do not know if they actually have a
commercial interest in DeLoreans.  I have not been able to determine
that from there posts.

I pose this question, would people object if know "experts" such as
Steve Wynne or Rob Grady were frequent contributors.  I know that I
would not object to any help or suggestions, even if they suggested the
custom parts that they manufacture for our cars.  Any info that I get
from the list is always appreciated by me and my wife.  My wife likes it
because it saves us money and I like it because I have not ever had to
send my car to a shop for service.  I shudder at the thought of some
cretin screwing around with my DeLorean.

Unfortunately, I live +400 miles from the nearest DeLorean dedicated
service center, so it looks like me and my fellow list members are going
to have to maintain #2981.

James, keep up the good work with the list, and I hope that Joe/Bob keep
sending in there comments.

Scott Mueller
Driving and Maintaining since October 1981
vin 2981
aug 81

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 06:14:09 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson" <tsassoc@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: Southeastern DeLorean Club

Joe & Bob, I want to express my appreciation for your tips and info. I've
owned my "D" for almost a year which had been sitting for over 2 years out
in the tropical weather, hence lots of problems to be solved and the input
from you guys is often valuable to me. Thanks and Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 2:29 AM
Subject: DML: Re: Southeastern DeLorean Club

>Steve,
>The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club (Atlanta, GA.) was established in
>1983 as Chapter 5 of DOA. When the local chapters were disbanded a couple
>of years ago the club changed its name and continues today with appox. 40
>members.
>We are Joe & Bob of DeLorean Services and have been the technical
>consultants and members of the club since 1984. We have been continuing
>members of DOA for the same amount of time.
>----------
>> From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: DML: Southeastern DeLorean Club
>> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 10:50 PM
>>
>> I hate to sound like a fool but I didn't know that there was a
>> Southeastern DeLorean Club.  Could someone please give me some info about
>> the club, like how many people are currently members and who is in charge
>> of the club.  I just thought it would be nice to find out some info about
>> this club since i do live in Louisiana.

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:34:15 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lower door trim

Can someone please describe the proper way to remove and re-attatch the
lower door trim?  I managed to muscle the trim off (I removed one of the
impossible-to-reach pull-handle screws, and pulled the trim off with the
handle still screwed in on the other side), but now I see no way to get it
back on.  The pull-handle and the bracket just won't line up.  I put it
back
on, but one side of the pull-handle just loosely flops around.  If I
didn't
expect to take the trim off again any time soon, I'd just glue it in
place,
but I'd like an alternative to defacing my car.  God, why couldn't those
screws have just been exposed?

Thanks!
Dave

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