dmcnews-digest Wednesday, April 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 358
In this issue:
DML: Last Call Delorean Car Show
DML: part # info
DML: New DeLorean need ehlp
DML: MSD and other problems
DML: Re: MSD
DML: DeLorean motor for sale
DML: DeLorean Shine
DML: Painting and Springs and Floor Mats
DML: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
DML: Details on 4x4
Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
DML: Re: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
DML: Exhaust Manifold Gasket
DML: 2 weeks to "My Classic Car" repeat.
Re: DML: Re: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
DML: New DeLorean owner
Re: DML: door installation
Re: DML: Vanity Plate
Re: DML: New DeLorean need ehlp
Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
DML: Re: Floor Mats
Re: DML: Painting and Springs and Floor Mats
DML: Good Battery!
DML: Problem with conversion
DML: Bloomberg Article
Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
DML: Lee's D gets no fuel (was: Good Battery!)
DML: [admin] School is almost out!
DML: DeLorean Values and Parts Sources
DML: RE: Good Battery!
Re: DML: Good Battery!
DML: DeLorean Starting Delay?
DML: Key for DeLorean
DML: Re: Key for DeLorean
DML: Re: Problem with conversion
Re: DML: Exhaust Manifold Gasket
DML: Gatlinburg, TN
DML: 81 for slae
DML: Memorabilia
Re: DML: Lee's D gets no fuel (was: Good Battery!)
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:33:11 EDT
From: KKoncelik <KKoncelik@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Last Call Delorean Car Show
HI
Its getting near the deadline for the DeLortean Car Show and with the
response
so far it looks like it will be well attended and there will be
representation
from many states and Clubs. we have some unusual deLoreans too like one
with
a stainless steel frame and a DeLorean time Machine along with various
other
custom DeLoreans. There are about 6 cars entered for the concourse and
everyone else appeared to enter the daily driver catagories so this will
make
it an interesting event.
Deadline is May 1st so there is one more week to get your registrations
in.
There have been a lot of calls lately along with quite a few registrations
from Ilinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia.
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Again thanks for your support
<A HREF="" href="http://idt.net/~dmc1219">http://idt.net/~dmc1219">http://idt.net/~dmc1219</A> car show
web
site
Thanks
Ken
kkoncelik@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 08:36:50 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: part # info
While working on my delorean "mouse car",
I have noticed so many differences between
it and later 81 and 82 cars. too many to list.
But, has anyone ever noticed the different
methods of installing the rear fixed quater panel
glass ? Seems that the 81 cars were just simply
glued in. 82 cars were installed using glue and
a finishing strip like the fixed door glass. Does
anyone have the Part # for this finisher strip ?
I like the 82 design better but it is not listed in
the parts book ? Sure, I could just call DMC
Houston and ask, but I like to act like I know
what I'm talking about when I call <g>
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:43:48 -0500
From: geraldstephens@xxxxxxxx (GERALD T STEPHENS)
Subject: DML: New DeLorean need ehlp
I just bought a d 1981 w 20,000 miles needs a driver door (parking lot
dent ) throttle cable headliner battery tune up (maybe a fuel pump). my
phone 601 948 7785
Thanks
Jerry Stephens
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:10:16 -0700
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: MSD and other problems
My 1200 mile trip from Austin, TX, to Chicago, went well after having
numerous repairs done by DMC Houston, but my car wasn't too happy after
making the pilgrimage. It died at the local mall one night after
arriving.
It started fine, and then just died about 10 seconds after running. I
eventually had it towed to a local mechanic who works on DeLoreans. I
made
a mistake in saying that it wasn't my daily driver, so three weeks later
they are still not really putting a lot of time into my car. I have
finally had enough and gotten more nasty and now they are working on it a
bit more. I won't say their name yet because I'll have to say is bad
things about them right now and hopefully when the work is all done I can
at least comment unbiased upon their actual work/price. I don't know a
lot
about car repair and even less about the DeLorean so some of the stuff I'm
about to say may not make perfect sense.
The mechanic found the harness burnt through from the coil to distributor
and replaced that, but it still didn't work. He then replaced the ECU and
he's now getting signal, but it drops off drastically after a few seconds.
After a week of not messing with the car, he finally went in there and
replaced the ECU with something called a MSD unit and the car worked great
after that. He said the second ECU was bad, which is hard for me to
believe, but oh well. He said the car is running great with the MSD unit
so I just asked him to put that into the car. Is that bad? What is a MSD
unit and is it OK to replace my current unit with that? It's cheaper and
a
GTO friend of mine said it's a more reliable unit. I don't care much
about
originality in the car as long as it's reliable, so that's not an issue.
Sadly, I also have a fuel leak coming from my fuel pump area and now I
have
a gigantic puddle of auto transmission fluid underneath my car too. This
car is sucking money fast! I hope it gets healthy soon as I'm out over
$10,000 in repairs over 2 months :(. DMC Houston did fuel tank work and
they serviced my auto-transmission, so I'm not sure if any of the leaks
are
involved with their work, but I'm going to wait until I find out what's
wrong 100% before talking with them. I assume that I really have no
reason
to complain since the car made 1200 miles without a hitch. Overall, DMC
Houston did really good work. There were a few problems with what I had
done like a new dented Binnacle and other small things like that, but they
were understanding and are going to make the fixes when I visit in Ohio in
June.
Anyway, if anyone can enlighten me about what a MSD unit is and if it's OK
to put into the DeLorean I'll be quite grateful!
Thanks.
- -Daniel McGauley
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:01:27 -0700
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: MSD
- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Anyway, if anyone can enlighten me about what a MSD unit is and if it's OK
>to put into the DeLorean I'll be quite grateful!
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Daniel McGauley
>
MSD stands for Multiple Spark Discharge (I think) and what that means is
it
generates several sparks (across the plugs) throughout several degrees of
engine revolution, theoretically burning a better percentage of the fuel
mixture every combustion cycle. I think MSD units include a variable
ignition coil that provides a hotter spark when the mixture is richer,
which
is supposed to increase performance as well. They also sell special plug
wires.
I've never used an MSD, but I know a few people that have, and they speak
positively about it. I have considered trying a combination of MSD and
"rapid-fire" spark plugs on my D. I'd use the rapid-fire rather than the
"split-fire", as I've heard that split-fires have a tendency to break
apart
in the cylinder, whereas the electrode on the rapid fires are made from 1
conductor, with "nubs" coming off the sides. Same principal.
I know there was some discussion on the split-fires, and my father noted
that when he put rapid-fires in his '77 mustang, the idle speed RPMs
increased about by 150, which tells me something about efficiency.
I'd be curious as to what model MSD your mechanic installs, and also about
other people's opinions about this configuration.
- -Ryan Bennett
VIN #1085
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:24:09 -0400
From: Vicki Miller <"1000mil@xxxxxxx"@gte.net>
Subject: DML: DeLorean motor for sale
Reposting prior message:
Delorean Motor For Sale
Some problem with previous inquires
Complete engine minus fuel injection included parts are as follows:
cat converter, muffler, crossover, distrib. cap and wires, starter and
motor mounts.....this engine was running when removed from car...
has approx...50,000 miles on it....$1350.00 and you pay shipping.....
call or email
1000mil@xxxxxxx
robert miller
1-919-383-6187
north carolina
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:34:28 -0700
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Shine
I was watching the DOA "Back from the Future" video tape and had a
question
about stainless steel cleaning. In the segment where John DeLorean is
being interviewed by the Irish lady, the DMC-12 in the shot is shining
like
I've never scene a DeLorean shine. Is that just studio lighting or is
that
how the car is supposed to shine after cleaning it? If so, how do you get
that shine?
- -Daniel McGauley
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:19:41 EDT
From: Ferris Buh <FerrisBuh@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Painting and Springs and Floor Mats
Delorean owners and friends,
Paint: I am going to paint the louvers, plastic trim, and windshield
framing
next month. Does anyone know if i have to use a primer/sealer for the
plastic
bits like the louvers and trim? Also, what paint will match the wheels,
trim
(flat, semi-gloss, gloss) and maufacturer?
Springs: I read in Hemmings that Eaton has the blueprints for several
car's
springs (custom). Does this include the Delorean? And I know PJ Grady
sells
front springs that are lower than stock. If I took Rob's springs and put
them
in the front and took stock springs and put them in the rear, how close
would
this be to the original lowering height the car was intended to be? Last
but
not least...
My favorite DMC parts supplier sent me some floor mats. These however,
had no
backing and slide under my heels each time I drive. In addition, they are
flat, and cheap feeling. Who sells a mat like the original?
Dave
#5252
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Heflin <arp_dmc12@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
Here'a a thought to all that own the book titled "DELOREAN Gold
Portfolio." While moving stuff out of my Grandmothers house after my
Grandfather died in '96 I came across some old car magazines from the
70's and 80's I found the articles on the D in Road & Track, and Motor
Trend, but I also found 2 Popular Science magazines that had articles
from '81 and '82 that are not included in the Gold Portfolio (Jul '81
& Mar '82 to be exact)they had a fairly good size articles on the car
in both issues and this made me think, "I wonder if there is any more
articles out there ('77-'95) that were not included in this book?" if
anyone has found any others, will a Third issue of the 'DGP' be
produced that includes these missing articles? From the index in my
book it looks as to only 2 or 3 articles were added for the 2nd run
(1995 book), or might this next version contain articles on the new
cars to be introduced (would they still be DeLoreans?).Any insight on
this subject would be appreciated.
-John Heflin
(DOA, DMC, DML<model#056-haha my D for now!>)
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:49:26 -0500
From: Mauri Trevino <maurit@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Details on 4x4
The 4x4 Delorean Frankenstein is in Austin Texas at South Point Auto
Sales, tel.
512-292-1100. TX Plate: GZY 68P Its in pretty rough shape, driver
window duct
taped (nice touch). I'm sure it must be hard to see out of also with all
that
headliner hanging down in the way. It has the creased hood ('82?)
however, I wasn't
able to get the vin #. All of the original suspension is gone. The body
is bolted
atop two box frames of some 4x4, also, the steering column shaft has been
welded to
truck column. The exterior seems to be in fair shape.
Another added feature, a swing down ball hitch on the front bumper.
Enjoy,
Maurice T.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:24:24 EDT
From: NJP548 <NJP548@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< DOA "Back from the Future" video tape and had a
question
about stainless steel cleaning. >>
I too was watching that video and thought that the shine was from the
studio
but I may be wrong.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:26:11 EDT
From: NJP548 <NJP548@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< In the segment where John DeLorean is
being interviewed by the Irish lady >>
Does anyone have a copy of the "Complete" interview that I can get my
hands
on?? I also was wontering if anyone knew when that interview happened and
where??
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:08:14 +0100
From: "Nikki Schumann" <Nikki.Schumann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
John Heflin wrote:
[snip]
>"I wonder if there is any more
>articles out there ('77-'95) that were not included in this book
[snip]
John, are you talking exclusively about articles written in English
(British
and American press) or also rest of the world press? On this subject I
know
of at least two articles that were written in a French magazine called
'Auto
Retro'. One of the articles dates from 1981 from when the Delorean had
just
been released. The second article is from January 1994.
The Gold Portfolio series deals exclusively with British and American
press,
thus neither of these two articles is featured. I'm certain that other
articles exist in other countries that relate to the man, business or car.
No matter how good a research is done by the Gold Portfolio team there is
NO
way thay can possibly track down every single article on this extensive
subject.
Regards,
nikki.
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:48:52 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
NJP548 wrote:
>
> hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> << DOA "Back from the Future" video tape and had a
> question
> about stainless steel cleaning. >>
> I too was watching that video and thought that the shine was from the
> studio
> but I may be wrong.
After cleaning the Stainless using the "Scotch Brite" and/or washing it,
you can wipe it down with Paint thinner or any other low volitility
solvent. These solvents leave an oily residue which acts as a dust
magnet. Boy does it shine though. I have been told by another list
member that he uses armor all. When I was at Expo 97 in Ireland, one of
the guys that had his car there said he used furniture polish, something
like Lemon Pledge. Personaly, I just wash the car using a solution of
"409", 1 cup to one gallon of water. Rinse and dry. When I am at the
car shows, I use "Windex" to wipe the finger prints off.
I'm curious to what other people use?
Scott Mueller
vin 2981
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Date: 27 Apr 1998 13:02:04 -0500
From: Dave.Sontos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Exhaust Manifold Gasket
I've looked in the archieves and have not found any information about
Exhaust
Manifold removal and gasket replacement. I understand this is a major
task and
was looking for some insight from other owners who have attempted this
task.
Dave
vin 2573
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:06:39 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 2 weeks to "My Classic Car" repeat.
The episode of TNN's show "My Classic Car" featuring the DeLoreans
and Lincoln Nation's brief talk should be coming around again in two
weeks. It was the one taped at the "My Classic Car Autofest" in
Evansville, Indianna. According to the "My Classic Car" website:
http://www.myclassiccar.com/covermain.html
the DeLorean episode was #986106. According to the TNN program
listing page:
http://www.country.com/tnn/program/program-search-f.html
the regular Saturday showing that week will be pre-empted by the
Gumout 100 NASCAR race. So if you want to see it or tape it you only
have one chance: Sunday, May 10th at 2:30 Eastern Time.
This two week warning was posted for the benefit of DMLers who rely
on the digest or back issues.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:01:16 -0400
From: Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx (Ralph Isenberg)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DeLorean Gold Portfolio
This was the reason I mentioned the 1968 ewsweek article on JZD. Even
though it was about Pontiac and GM, it was still about "The Man". I can
still send photocopies of it to anyone interested for a dollar to cover
costs. I'm probably an extreme case but I do collect anything and
everything about the man, company or the car! Lots of these older items
may get lost forever if we don't try to gather them up when we find
them.
Ralph Isenberg (Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx)
Protector of Orphan Cars
AMC's, Bricklins, Corvairs, DeLoreans,Vegas, Yugos, All other unloved
chariots welcomed here!
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:19:46 -0700
From: "Rod" <raa25@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New DeLorean owner
I just purchased a 81 DeLorean. I saw it in a customers garage.(4 flat
tires
and covered in dust and dog hair) I traded it for about 11,700 worth of
work
on her property. It only has 25k miles and the body is in perfect shape.
the
only thing I had to do to it was buy tires,battery,change the fluids and
fix
the headliner. The car really runs and looks great.
I am wondering what the value of this car is. I'm not planning on selling
it.(I was but the more I drive it the more I like it) but I would like a
good source for parts. Oil Gage is broke is about the only thing I need to
replace.
proud owner 81 DeLorean
Rod Abacherli(raa25@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:17:10 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: door installation
At 09:38 PM 4/23/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Does anyone that has removed a door and re-installed one
>have a step by step procedure on how to go about aligning
>them correctly ? I eventually get it right after about 1 week
>messing with them. BUt, I know that the folks in the DMC
>factory didn't have this kind of trouble. How did they go
>about it ?
>
>-Brandon
>bsmoody@xxxxxxx
>
>reply:
Hi Brandon,
I don't know how that is done after the card comes from the factory,
marking the hinge bolt position very carefully would be a good place to
start. There are two things I am sure of.
1. That it takes two guys to do the door torque rod, and the doors at the
factory were put on first, then the body panels aligned to match the
doors,
or at least two of the books I have claim.
You might try one of the BIG 4 and ask for advice?
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:52:02 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Vanity Plate
At 01:04 PM 4/25/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I got my new vanity plates today My original choice (credit to Mike
>Substelny) of "BARE SS" was denied. Either another DMC owner (or an
>employee of an adult nightclub), already has it, or - apparently the
>Illinois DMV doesn't have the sense of humor/irony that I had hoped for.
> I was suprised, however to find that "DMC XII" was not already taken, so
>that's the one they gave me!
>
>Dave Swingle
>81 VIN 5429
>DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
>
reply:
Don't you just love it!
When I applied for my California Ecology "vanity" plate My first choice
was DMC XII, I was Sure that DMC 12 was taken, but then thought 81 DMC 12
would be good too, so I put DMC XII as a second choice thinking that I
would get that one for sure.........as you know I got 81DMC-12.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:57:10 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New DeLorean need ehlp
At 11:43 AM 4/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I just bought a d 1981 w 20,000 miles needs a driver door (parking lot
>dent ) throttle cable headliner battery tune up (maybe a fuel pump). my
>phone 601 948 7785
>
>Thanks
>
>Jerry Stephens
>
I have a perfectly good (used) fuel pump if you are interested.
you can contact me at lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx or lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
or 510-649-9118
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:19:57 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
At 11:24 PM 4/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
> hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
><< DOA "Back from the Future" video tape and had a
> question
> about stainless steel cleaning. >>
>I too was watching that video and thought that the shine was from the
>studio
>but I may be wrong.
>
reply:
I have this same tape, but think I might have some information that can
help.
In part the shine is from the studio lights, but most of it is from the
way in which the care was prepared. I have been experimenting with various
ways to both clean and maintain the stainless finish.
There are I would say three steps or phases in getting the studio finish.
Clean the stainless with stainless cleaner. Only apply and remove the
cleaner "with the grain"
Re-burnish the stainless with the correct size scotch bright pads and
Stainless cleaner. It will take at least 8 hours per panel and you will
have to use a pressure block and may have to use alinement jigs.
Use very hard past wax applied in small "with the grain" patched from
one
end of the panel to the other, followed by a very high luster car wax like
turtle. Do not use a circular buffing machine at any stage. You can get
the
stainless to shine enough to make people squint if the sun angle is just
right.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:55:49 -0700
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Floor Mats
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ferris Buh <FerrisBuh@xxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 6:27 AM
Subject: DML: Painting and Springs and Floor Mats
>My favorite DMC parts supplier sent me some floor mats. These however,
>had no
>backing and slide under my heels each time I drive. In addition, they are
>flat, and cheap feeling. Who sells a mat like the original?
>
>Dave
>#5252
I contacted a company near me that can make replica DMC floor mats,
embroidered logo included. My mats are fine, but I was considering getting
these made for normal use, saving the originals. If you or anyone else in
interested, I'm sure we could get a better rate if we had several sets
made
at the same time. Let me know and I'll get some pricing.
- -Ryan Bennett
VIN #1085
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:58:22 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Painting and Springs and Floor Mats
At 08:19 PM 4/26/98 EDT, you wrote:
.............................this be to the original lowering height the
car was intended to be? .........................
>Dave
>#5252
reply:
Hi Dave,
PJ Grady has three lowering kits that use "New mfg" springs that provide
for several "lowering configurations". They are 1", 1 1/4" and 1 3/4"
lowering configurations. But you also have another option. because the
space "clearance" around the rear wheel and the fender edge is about
even,
if you want a sleeker appearance at half the cost and keep "most" of your
ground clearance you can get just the front 1 1/4" springs. This will even
out the clearance around the front wheels, drop the nose of the D just
enough to take the looseness out of 90+mph driving and once you get the
front realigned (with full tank of gas), greatly improve the handling of
the D. The front spring kit cost $125 a pair.
There is no cutting of springs, no front to back stuff, these are new
springs and when installed provide the right flexing independent
suspension
with a different body to ground relationship with out any negative impact
on the original design considerations.
note: for the very first time I got a part from PJ's that was defective.
I
called about the problem. A replacement was sent with out question, that
arrived 3 days later. This is the second major DMC parts supply company
that has given me this great service. So far both DeLorean-ONE and PJ
Grady have
been right on the mark on tech help and parts. I should point out that so
far both have been very forth right about parts availability, and don't
seam to object that I source else where when they did not have a part.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:10:20 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Good Battery!
To all DML members:
Well this weekend past my wife gave me a week end at the Hot tub bed and
breakfast on the pacific Coast up in Mendacino (where you can see the
whales swim by). Of course we drove up to this coastal whale watching spot
in our "D".
We stopped at the place we were staying Friday and Saturday to check
in.
When I went out to move the D to our parking spot, "IT would not start!"
and it did not start after cooling down, and it did not start the next
morning, and it would not start in the local gas station repair shop,. But
the battery cranked and cranked and cranked.
My D has a brand new fuel pump from PJ Grady which runs like a champ, but
no power appears at the connector that the pump hooks into? A bit of gas
in
the air intake would get a rumble out of the engine but even never enough
to get a solid start. This was the first time in a year that my D would
not
start hot or cold?
Fortunately a former employer who owned a near by gas station and the AAA
towing service had a flat bed transporter, so this morning bright and
early, my D was loaded on the transporter and brought home 100 miles plus.
At least on the huge transport truck, bystanders could not tell my D was
busted!!! Getting towed backwards behind a 1 1/2 would have really been
bad!
Looks like I have Bosh-K Jetronic home work to do! suggestions are
welcome.....I know a little about fuel accumulator and cold start
switches,
I have the manuals to read. Once upon a time a long, long, long, time ago
I
used to work doing both aircraft and diesel repairs, so I'm e not flat
mechanically stupid, but it's been a good 20 years sense I did any work,
well that is up until last April (1year ago) when I got my D. Up until
this
week end.
Thanks
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:28:04 -0400
From: "Ronald Pohala" <rpohala@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Problem with conversion
I had purchased a Volvo engine for my Delorean and have trouble with the
matching of the bell housing and oil pan. Can anyone offer advice as to
whether they are adaptor kits.
I will be surveying the problem tomorrow it is at the shop and I can't get
there today Thanks Ron
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:36:03 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Bloomberg Article
I got a copy of the Bloomberg magazine today (March 1998 Vol 7 No 3),
and opened it right to the Delorean article, like the magazine knew what
I was looking for!
The article is 4 pages, with 3 shots of the car, and 1 shot of JZD.
Very positive artile talking about the quality, and investment potential
of the car.
Lines like "...Yet from the tangle a nearly perfect dricing machine
emerged."
For those of you, that are looking for the value of the DMC to go up,
you will like "...with lots of miles accrued and still commanding
$20,000-$40,000. And those prices are going up."
It seems like the author did a bit of research for the article, so I
wonder where he got those numbers from!
Either way, the magazine is free for the asking, just call Bloomberg
magazine in Princeton NJ.
Marc
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:01:37 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Shine
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Use very hard past wax applied in small "with the grain" patched
from
> one
> end of the panel to the other, followed by a very high luster car wax like
> turtle. Do not use a circular buffing machine at any stage. You can get
> the
> stainless to shine enough to make people squint if the sun angle is just
> right.
>
> Lee Seiler
> 81DMC-12
Lee, How do you get the paste wax out of the grain? I once tried using
a wax like product and could not polish the residue out of the grain, I
had to use solvent and buff the panels with the course "scotch brite" to
remove the wax residue.
Thanks
Scott Mueller
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:17:29 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lee's D gets no fuel (was: Good Battery!)
Lee Seiler said:
> My D has a brand new fuel pump from PJ Grady which runs like a
> champ, but no power appears at the connector that the pump hooks
> into? A bit of gas in the air intake would get a rumble out of the
> engine but even never enough to get a solid start. [snip]
> Looks like I have Bosh-K Jetronic home work to do! suggestions are
> welcome.....I know a little about fuel accumulator and cold start
> switches, I have the manuals to read.
I don't think this is a Bosch K-Jet problem at all. This feels like a
Lucas
electrical problem, and probably a simple one. My first suspicion would
be the fuel pump relay. It might also be the safety timing circuit which
deactivates the fuel pump if you crank the engine for more than a few
seconds without starting.
First you must be absolutely sure that the fuel pump is getting no power.
Due to the above safety circuit, you cannot just turn the key, then walk
over to the fuel pump with your electronic multimeter. You should have
someone else in the driver's seat turning the key when you check for
fuel pump power, because it will cut out in a few seconds if the engine
hasn't started.
I suggest you check for power that way, working backwards from the
fuel pump. I bet you can track down the faulty electrical component in
less than an hour.
Good luck.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 09:03:12 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] School is almost out!
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:31:05 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Values and Parts Sources
Rod Abacherli said:
> I just purchased a 81 DeLorean. [snip] I traded it for about 11,700
> worth of work on her property. [snip]
> I am wondering what the value of this car is.
For information about DeLorean values, I suggest you consult Knut
Grimsrud's excellent research article on the subject. You can find it in
the latest DeLorean Club of Oregon Newsletter, which is available for
free online at:
www.dmcnews.com
The DeLorean Club of Oregon is listed under "Clubs."
I suspect that you got a pretty good deal, especially if your barter
allowed you to avoid paying sales taxes. Make sure to read the back
issues of the DML to learn about the dangers of driving a DeLorean that
has been in storage (old gas can make rubber parts in fuel system
degrade and ruin the fuel injector).
> I would like a good source for parts.
Go to the DeLorean Owner's Association website at:
www.delorean-owners.org
Look under "Marketplace" then "Advertisers." This will give you a list of
reputable DeLorean parts suppliers and the ways to contact them. DMC
Houston and DeLorean One also have their own web pages.
Good luck and congratulations on your DeLorean acquisition!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:58:01 -0400
From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Good Battery!
Lee,
A quick look at the wiring diagram shows that the Inertia Switch is in a
direct line with the fuel pump. See if it needs to be reset. If it
does not need to be reset see if there is power going to it. If power
is going to it and the pump does not work then the Inertia Switch is
defective. A quick jumper to ground will confirm this.
Ron
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:05:47 +0000
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Good Battery!
Hi,
Lee wrote,
(snip)
> When I went out to move the D to our parking spot, "IT would not start!"
> and it did not start after cooling down, and it did not start the next
> morning, and it would not start in the local gas station repair shop,. But
> the battery cranked and cranked and cranked.
(snip)
The first thing to try. Remove the cover behind the drivers seat and
check the plugs to the boxes ( computers ). Take them all out and
plug them back in, make sure you get them all. Try starting, bet it
works now.
I had one that did this same thing. Two hours next to the road trying
everything before I discovered this.
Still waiting for my stuff.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:40:39 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Starting Delay?
Sometimes when I turn the key to start my DeLorean it pauses a second
or two before starting. This seems to be directly related to the charge
in
the battery. That is, when the batery has a good charge the car starts
cranking immediately, but when I let the battery run down (by leaving the
doors open for a long time, or whatever) I get the time delay before it
will
crank.
My question is about those moments while I have the key turned and
nothing happens at first, then it cranks. Does anyone know what my car
is doing during that time? Is there some system in the DeLorean that puts
an extra load on the battery for the first few seconds, then returns to
normal?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 12:16:08 -0700
From: df6zz@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Key for DeLorean
Hi! Would You please publish my question in the next dmcnews-digest?!
I bought a DMC in California (VIN 16134) and shipped it home to Germany.
With the car came only 1 key. On the key is written: National key COLE
Cleveland Ohio VL5. I wanted to make a replica of this key but no dealer
in
Germany can help me. Could anybody in the States help me to get a blank
so
that I can copy the key???
My adress is : Michael Salzwedel
D-01904 Steinigtwolmsdorf
Weifaer Strasse 4c
Germany
E-Mail: df6zz@xxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks a lot ,
Michael
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:37:10 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Key for DeLorean
Michael Salzwedel said:
> . . . With the car came only 1 key. On the key is written: National
> key COLE Cleveland Ohio VL5. I wanted to make a replica of this
> key but no dealer in Germany can help me.
I am very surprised that no dealer in Germany can help you. Cole is a
huge corporation that happens to have its headquarters in Cleveland.
Among other things they manufacture a lot of the world's key cutting
equipment. They also make eyeglasses (Cole Vision) and do engraving
(Things Remembered). Many locksmith shops and hardware stores
have Cole equipment.
I was not aware that Cole made a DeLorean key blank. If they do, then it
should be easy for anyone to get a DeLorean key made anywhere. If
they don't, then it means that a previous owner changed the locks on
your car.
Cole has a home page at:
http://www.colenational.com/corporation.html
I thought someone once said that a certain Volvo key blank could be
made into a DeLorean key. That information should be in the DML back
issues. The regular DeLorean parts suppliers should also be able to help
you.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:39:07 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Problem with conversion
> From: Ronald Pohala <rpohala@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Problem with conversion
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 8:28 AM
>
> I had purchased a Volvo engine for my Delorean and have trouble with the
> matching of the bell housing and oil pan. Can anyone offer advice as to
> whether they are adaptor kits.
>
> I will be surveying the problem tomorrow it is at the shop and I can't
> get there today Thanks Ron
The DeLorean engine is not a Volvo engine exactly. The crankcase and oil
pan are from the Renault Alpine and the Renault transaxle used in the
DeLorean was never used in the Volvo so the bell housing won't fit. Even
though the DeLorean oil pan might or might not fit the Volvo engine, I
don't think the motor mount lugs from the Alpine crank case are cast in
the
same position on the crankcase as the Volvo lugs. In short I rather doubt
the two are compatible.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:32:30 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Exhaust Manifold Gasket
At 01:02 PM 4/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've looked in the archieves and have not found any information about
>Exhaust
>Manifold removal and gasket replacement. I understand this is a major
>task and
>was looking for some insight from other owners who have attempted this
>task.
>
>Dave
>vin 2573
>
reply:
Yes it is a major job, we used standard Volvo exhaust gaskets which fit
perfectly. You should start by soaking all the retaining nuts in
penetrating solvent, and cleaning the exposed threads with a wire brush.
You can do it from underneath, if you have a lift your life will get a lot
easier.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:16:10 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gatlinburg, TN
I will be out in TN the rest of the week and I was wondering if
there were any owners out there? If anyone lives out in TN (near
Gatlinburg) could you please send me an email with your phone number
attached?
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:55:44 EDT
From: ABatt10347 <ABatt10347@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 81 for slae
Fellow DMCer's,
My friend Frank has again asked me to submit his 81 for sale. It is an 81,
gray int., 5 speed. His price is $9000. firm. If you have any questions
contact him at 931-388-1084 or at Frank@xxxxxxxxxx
Bruce Battles
Vin # 6569
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:02:06 EDT
From: Gullwing99 <Gullwing99@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Memorabilia
I'm posting this for a friend of mine:
DeLorean & Tucker Memorabilia for sale : Extensive inventory of each
great
car, please call for futher information,,,410-551-3107,,,thank you Mike
Pack
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:48:34 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Lee's D gets no fuel (was: Good Battery!)
At 10:17 AM 4/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Lee Seiler said:
>
>> My D has a brand new fuel pump from PJ Grady which runs like a
>> champ, but no power appears at the connector that the pump hooks
>> into? A bit of gas in the air intake would get a rumble out of the
>> engine but even never enough to get a solid start. [snip]
>
>> Looks like I have Bosh-K Jetronic home work to do! suggestions are
>> welcome.....I know a little about fuel accumulator and cold start
>> switches, I have the manuals to read.
>
>I don't think this is a Bosch K-Jet problem at all. This feels like a
>Lucas
>electrical problem, and probably a simple one. My first suspicion would
>be the fuel pump relay. It might also be the safety timing circuit which
>deactivates the fuel pump if you crank the engine for more than a few
>seconds without starting.
>
>First you must be absolutely sure that the fuel pump is getting no power.
>Due to the above safety circuit, you cannot just turn the key, then walk
>over to the fuel pump with your electronic multimeter. You should have
>someone else in the driver's seat turning the key when you check for
>fuel pump power, because it will cut out in a few seconds if the engine
>hasn't started.
>
>I suggest you check for power that way, working backwards from the
>fuel pump. I bet you can track down the faulty electrical component in
>less than an hour.
>
>Good luck.
>
>- Mike Substelny
reply:
Hi Mike,
We did just as you suggested this afternoon. We found several things,
there was a split in the old fuel pick up line, (remember that I just put
in a new fuel pump last week. There was also a twist in the pick up line
that apparently tended to hold the split closed, and as long as the tank
was more than half full the split was not exposed. we found some "crud in
the tank" and that no power was getting to the pump at any time. We found
that it may be the safety cut out switch (now on it's way here by over
night UPS). The relay appears to work so we are now at new fuel pick up
line, and waiting for a parts............
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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