dmcnews-digest Friday, April 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 354
In this issue:
DML: RE: Door opening too fast...
DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
DML: PRV6 possibilities
DML: Re: My experience with Yokahama Tires
Re: DML: Door opening too fast...
DML: Re: K&N Air Filters
Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
DML: RE: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
DML: warm air deviator project ?
DML: RE: Is your Delorean for keeps?
Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
Re: DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
Re: DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
Re: DML: K & N Filters
re:DML: Re: Windows
DML: RE: R/H Drive Delorean Wanted.
Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
DML: So Cal Parade
DML: Louisianna Meeting
Re: DML: Re: Windows
Re: DML: More on Trailing Arm Bolts
Re: DML: K & N Filters
Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
DML: RE: RE: Door opening too fast...
DML: Original or not
RE: DML: K & N Filters
RE: DML: PRV6 possibilities
Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
DML: National Geographic Article
Re: DML: K & N Filters
Re: DML: K & N Filters
DML: Vintage magazine
Re: DML: K & N Filters
Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
RE: DML: K & N Filters
Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 9:17:47 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01 <Don_Gowler-CFPO01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Door opening too fast...
Dave, tell us what kind of struts you are using please.
Your best bet is to unwind that torsion bar a bit. This is a problem we
see all too often - doors get droopy and torsion bars get wound tight
instead of the strut being replaced. Then when the new owner finds the
struts weakening and replaces them they get this bounce because they did
not realize what went on before them.
Regards, The Silver Fox
>My passenger door opens much too fast, and it makes my heart stop every
>time a passenger pulls the handle and lets the door fly up and bounce to
>a stop (it is also a pain to close). I searched the back issues and
>there was lots of talk about droopy doors, but not a whole lot about doors
>on steroids... Since the torsion bar only lifts the door at the beginning
>of the door opening, is this problem related to my struts? Can I get them
>de-pressurized a bit, or will I have to adjust the torision bar? Lord
>knows I want to avoid that if possible... However, since it's probably bad
>for
>the torsion bar to be wound too tight, so would I be better off to unwind
>it a bit? Dave
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:12:41 EDT
From: Gullwing99 <Gullwing99@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
Hello fellow D lovers,
Everyone out there that commented on the question about the K&N Filters
was
right about the fact that they don't make the exact filter. And also, in
their
catalog which I purchased about two years ago, there was a cross
reference,(
measurement section ), that matched the filter exactly,but for some
strange
reason,when I called and asked to order it,,they told me they didn't make
it,,,when I again asked,,,,," well why did you print it in your
catalog",,,,of
course I got the come back of,,," duh,,I don't know",,,well anyway,,,after
being very disappointed that I couldn't get one for the D, ( we have them
in
all our vehicles), I got to thinking about checking the section where you
cross reference with the filters measurements and found one aweful
close,,,so,,,I said what the hey and ordered it,,,when it came of course
it
wouldn't fit the regular way,,with the rim up,,,I said,,,hey I'll flip it
over
so it sets down in the box,,,,guess what D lovers,,,,After two years of
running with it in the D,,I've had no problems what so ever,,I often take
it
apart and check to see if it is still sealed ok and it hasn't budged a
bit.
The length of the filter is just almost perfect but the reason it won't
fit
the regular way is because it's to narrow,,,but not to narrow to not seal
the
other way. And also if your wondering if the surface area of the filter
is to
small, it is not,in fact it's just about the same as the original,,and if
it
was a bit smaller it wouldn't matter because of the excellent flow that
these
filters have. For example: On my parents motorhome,I did a little
engineering
on the engines air intake,( took out the preheater valve assembly and
relocated the airhose,so it would pick up cooler air,,and of course put
in a
K&N filter,,,the average milage went from 8 to a tad over 9 miles per
gallon,,thats more than a 10% increase in mileage,,thats something to say
when
your dealing with a land whale like that,,,So back to our D's,,,I took
that
idea and did the same thing,,like I said two years ago,,,I took apart our
preheater assembly,,,and wanted to replace it with a hose so there
wouldn't be
no restrictions on the air before it got to the filter,,,but to no
avail,,I
couldn't find one,,,so I gutted the assembly,,,the piece is actually 1/3
blocked with all that contraption in there,,thats a major no no,,with the
air...(For those of you that might think you need that stove to warm the
engine up to running temps,,,I say,,,take the time and just let it idle
for an
extra 15 minutes before going any where..) Because it really did make a
difference in mine,,,now it didn't add no fifty ponies to the car but it
did
make it a little peppier at take off and it doesn't run out of breath
when
you go up the scale on the rpms either...To all the turbo D's,,,if you
haven't
made any mods to your air intake,,I would be willing to bet you'd feel the
difference with this little mod to the intake and installing this
filter.And
no I have no ties to K&N,,I'm just a good customer thats happy with a
product!!! And one final note,,,the silver preheater hose looks alot
better
off the engine too,,,I just took a piece of an inner tube and made a
patch to
fit over the remaining hole and used a hose clamp to hold it,,,looks very
nice
if I do say so my self,,,LOL,,,,,,,,Everyone take care and have a nice day
J.B.Vincent
Vin: 16709
Lic: DMC 12
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:08:00 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PRV6 possibilities
I've always thought the D could use a couple of extra ponies, and
without turning it into a dragster, I figured it would be just happy
around 200 hp. Here's a copy the engine list that's on the net. I
deleted the lower HP ones. the complete list is at
http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html
So my questions are , looking at the 170 hp motor (that aren't turbo)
like the Peugeot 605 (12 valves), the Renault safrane, Volvo 780 etc.
What are the differences with our stock engines ?
Can our engines be converted ?
Will those engines (and the other ones) simply fit in the D ?
If yes, Is anybody "in" for getting a bunch shipped from Europe (price
depending of course !)
comments ?
PRV V6 (pre-1997 block) Applications
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
Man'f/Mod| Year |Designa|Note 3|Carb/EFI| HP | CR | Comments
========================================================================
Peugeot |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
604 | 83-85 | | 2.8 | FI | 155 | |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
605 | 91- | | 2963 | FI | 170 | |EFC 12V
Siemens/Bendix
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
605 | 91- | | 2963 | FI | 200 | |EFC 24V
Siemens/Bendix
========================================================================
Renault | (not including Alpine or GTA)
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
Safrane | -95 | | 3.0 | FI | 170 | | EF
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
Safrane | -95 | | 2.5 | FI | 250 | | EF Bi-Turbo
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
========================================================================
Volvo |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
260/262 | 80-82 | B28F | 2.8 | K-jet |148/155| |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
760/780 | 87-90 | B280F | 2.8 |LHjet2.2|156/170| 9.5 | EF
========================================================================
Alpine, Renault/Alpine and Renault/GTA
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
A310 | 77-84 | Z7V | 2664 | Solex | 150 | 9.2 |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
GT-V6 | 84- | Z6W | 2849 | | 160 | 9.5 |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
GT-Turbo| | Z7U | |Renix FI| 200 | 8.0 |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
A610 earl| | | 3.0 | Turbo | 250 | 7.6 | EFC
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
A610 late| | | 2963 | Turbo | 250 | 7.6 | EFC
========================================================================
DeLorean|
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
| 81- | | 2.8 | K-jet | 130 | 8.8 | Volvo based
========================================================================
Dodge Monaco and Eagle Premier
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
early | 88-9? |Z7X-711| 3.0 |Renix FI| 150 | 9.3 | EF Renault
based
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
late | 91-92 |711&715| 3.0 |Renix FI| 150 | 9.3 | EF Renault
based
========================================================================
Lancia |
- ---------+-------+-------+------+--------+-------+-----+----------------
Thema | | | 2.8 | FI | 155 | | EF
========================================================================
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 10:43:02 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: My experience with Yokahama Tires
On 4/16/98 10:11 AM, Scott Mueller shared these fine thoughts...
>James, I read in V02 #117 that you installed Yokahama AVS U Plus tires
>on your DeLorean in May 1996.
>
>I need to buy new tires and would like to know what you think about the
>ones you put on.
>
>If you like, go ahead and post your testomonial on the list.
I have had the tires for nearly two years and about 25,000 miles. I am
very pleased with their performance and how long they have lasted. I
can't say much about their wet-weather performance (living in the
desert), but they give a good ride and handle very well.
I will put new tires (on the front, at elast) before I drive out to
Cincinnati this summer and I will definitely buy them again.
James
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 12:38:55 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Door opening too fast...
> of the door opening, is this problem related to my struts? Can I get them
> de-pressurized a bit, or will I have to adjust the torision bar? Lord
> knows
> I want to avoid that if possible... However, since it's probably bad for
> the torsion bar to be wound too tight, so would I be better off to unwind
> it
> a bit?
>
I would first try this. If your driver side works correctly, then I
would
switch the struts and see what happens. If the passenger door still
launches upward, then you will have to adjust the t-bars. Its not
fun and it requires some assistance . It is possible that the struts
are over pressurized but I have never found this to be the problem.
It should be fixed because letting the door fly up like that then bounce
can really mess up you lower strut mount.
- -Brandon
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:36:05 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: K&N Air Filters
J.B.Vincent wrote:
>cross reference with the filters measurements and found one aweful
>close,,,so,,,I said what the hey and ordered it,,,when it came of >course
I can't believe you'd tease us with this, and not tell us which filter you
got! <g>
Dave
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:43:26 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
Gullwing99 wrote:
>
> Hello fellow D lovers,
> Everyone out there that commented on the question about the K&N Filters
> was
> right about the fact that they don't make the exact filter. And also, in
> their
> catalog which I purchased about two years ago, there was a cross
> reference,(
> measurement section ), that matched the filter exactly,
> being very disappointed that I couldn't get one for the D, ( we have them
> in
> all our vehicles), I got to thinking about checking the section where you
> cross reference with the filters measurements and found one aweful
> close,,,so,,,I said what the hey and ordered it,,,when it came of course
> it
> wouldn't fit the regular way,,with the rim up,,,I said,,,hey I'll flip it
> over
> so it sets down in the box,,,,guess what D lovers,,,,After two years of
> running with it in the D,,I've had no problems what so ever,,I often take
> it
> apart and check to see if it is still sealed ok and it hasn't budged a
> bit.
> if I do say so my self,,,LOL,,,,,,,,Everyone take care and have a nice day
>
> J.B.Vincent
> Vin: 16709
> Lic: DMC 12
Mr Vincent,
Do not keep us in suspense.
What is the part number for the K&N Filter you used?
Where did you purchase it and what was the cost?
thanks
Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:46 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
>Dave, tell us what kind of struts you are using please.
>Your best bet is to unwind that torsion bar a bit. This is a problem
>we see all too often - doors get droopy and torsion bars get wound
>tight instead of the strut being replaced.
Well, from the looks of things, both door struts are identical (it looks
as
though both were replaced at the same time) they have a sticker that says
"Pittman Delorean / New Albany, IN" on both of 'em.. Since it's likely
that
they are the same age/specs, it's probably a torsion bar issue then?
Is it just as hard to loosen the torsion bar as it is to tighten it?
Thanks!
Dave
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:23:46 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
J.B. wrote a nice story about his air intake mod and the K&N upside down
filter.
just one question JB
WHAT'S THE MODEL NUMBER ?!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:30:49 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: DML: warm air deviator project ?
Lee,
Here's a new project for you. As to JB preheater/warm air deviator idea.
I'm a bit uncomfortable demolishing something on my D. Maybe you could
make a replacement plastic nozzle thing
to allow free air flow.
Just an idea !
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Aaron Husak" <aaronhusak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Is your Delorean for keeps?
Why is it important to keep your car as original as possible? It the
same reason its important to keep a Mondrian or a DaVincci original.
The car is more than a bunch of parts screwed together. It is a work of
art conceived by a designer/artist/engineer and executed by
craftsmen/assemblymen in the same tradition as a classical sculpture.
Even if the designer isn't a Raymond Loewy, or Harley Earl or JZD the
product of a designer's creativity deserves respect. Improve your car
in small unnoticeable ways but protect the design. Avoid changes that
are tantamount to spray paint on a Monet. Be proud to ride around in a
better piece of art than a Geo.
Just my $.02
Aaron
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:15:23 -0400
From: Jack Singer <jsinger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
The following air filters fit the dmc12
AC: A815C, Bosch: AF235, Champion: AF343, Crossland: 042115, Fram:
PH287A, NAPA: 6112, NOPI: AF-235, Purolator: AF4275, Volvo: 269308-3,
WIX: 46112, World: W27-623
Jack
jsinger@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 15:24:31 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
> Well, from the looks of things, both door struts are identical (it looks
> as
> though both were replaced at the same time) they have a sticker that says
> "Pittman Delorean / New Albany, IN" on both of 'em.. Since it's likely
> that
> they are the same age/specs, it's probably a torsion bar issue then?
>
> Is it just as hard to loosen the torsion bar as it is to tighten it?
Its just as hard but make sure you fully understand what is involved
and have all tools handy. If your not prepared, you can get hurt,
break the window, strip screws, etc....
- -Brandon
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:30:47 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Door opening too fast...
At 12:11 PM 4/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Dave, tell us what kind of struts you are using please.
>>Your best bet is to unwind that torsion bar a bit. This is a problem
>>we see all too often - doors get droopy and torsion bars get wound
>>tight instead of the strut being replaced.
>
>Well, from the looks of things, both door struts are identical (it looks
>as
>though both were replaced at the same time) they have a sticker that says
>"Pittman Delorean / New Albany, IN" on both of 'em.. Since it's likely
>that
>they are the same age/specs, it's probably a torsion bar issue then?
>
>Is it just as hard to loosen the torsion bar as it is to tighten it?
>
>Thanks!
>Dave
>
reply:
Dave,
CAUTION....CAUTION.....CAUTION
Don't fool with the torsion bar with out the correct tools and some one
who know how to do the adjustment! It take special tools and two people.
You can twist the T-section and do some serious damage if the adjust ment
is not done correctly!
I suggest you call one of the shops for advise be for attempting any
thing!
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:37:14 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: K & N Filters
Hi Marc,
Just call two days ago to the K&N Filters Engineering, the manufacture.
Spoke to John, no such thing.
K&N filter salesman?
I do know during the a past dicussion Rob have use an Amsoil Filter.
I was also using the Amsoil filter. I have gotten one of these filter
from
one of my friends in the past. The Amsoil filter is okay in the
Delorean.
The Amsoil filter is reusable by cleaning and reoiling it.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 14:53:52 MDT
From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" <PhillipsJT00.CS33.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re:DML: Re: Windows
Ryan Bennet wrote:
>I was always of the impression that the Delorean windows add
>considerable structural integrity to the gull wings. It would seem that
>removing it would create undue stress on the support between the torsion
>bar and the lowerpart which constitutes much of the weight. I figure that
this
>could cause serious alignment problems in short time due to the door
>tweaking.
Actually the windows contribute little or no structural integrity to the
door
when it comes to opening and closing the door. This is because glass
has a very high tensile strength along its length but is relatively weak
in
any other direction. Thats why you always store it on its edge. If the
glas was a structurally integral part of the door then closing the door
would put stress along the face of the glass and break it in half. So,
to
the contrary, the windows must be isolated from the torque of closing the
door.
<snip>
>There had to be a reason for the "tollbooths" to be implemented
>originally.
>I haven't seen a Briklin or Mercedes 300SL, but I wonder how they did it.
I believe the reason the tollbooths were used was because there was not
enough room inside the door for the glass window to roll down into. The
1997 DeLorean used a plastic window that allows some flexibility and a
curved track.
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:31:44 +0930
From: "DELIOS, Greg" <gdelios@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: R/H Drive Delorean Wanted.
Hi Richard,
I'm in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. There's a RH DeLorean, 81
Model, Auto, available (was at least 3 weeks ago) at Shannons. The owner
is looking for around $45,000 AUS (he was looking for $70,000 ! AUS
about 18 months ago). It was presented at the Grand Prix auction this
year, but didn't draw any bids when introduced at $40,000 AUS. Doesn't
look too bad,had a little blue smoke from the engine and a full report
was done for the auction, so if you contact Shannons they should be able
to fax some details, but for me a RH conversion isn't quite what i
want.
Good Hunting,
Greg Delios
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Mazur [SMTP:richard.mazur@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 1998 20:53
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: R/H Drive Delorean Wanted.
>
> Hi list members,
>
> I am looking for a right hand drive Delorean to ship to New Zealand,
> if
> anyone has one or can shed some light on where I am likely to locate
> such
> a
> beast, please drop me an email. I would also like (a dog) an unloved
> car
> for spares, L/H or R/H drive o.k. but must be very cheap.
>
> Richard Mazur
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:44:47 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: K&N Air Filters
Gave all these number to John, at K&N Filters Engneering. No crossover
part
from K&N company with these numbers. Check for yourselves and let me
know of
the parts number if you have one
Tel 800-858-3333
e-mail: KNFilters@xxxxxxx
web: www.knfilter.com
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:43:28 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: So Cal Parade
DeLorean owners or enthusiasts in the southern california area, we are
trying to participate again this year in the Monrovia Days Parade on
May 16. Parade participation includes a free continental breakfast
and a free lunch from the City of Monrovia. Times are 10am to
noon.... staging at 8am. Also included are a country festival and
fair in the park after the parade as well as a car show. In the past
this parade/show are overrun with hot rods and needs some Ds to spice
it up. Heavy media coverage. Lots of fun... 1996 - 9 cars 1997 - 5
cars.... help us bring it even higher!! This is open to ALL
DeLoreans!!!
Please contact me for more information/maps etc....
Mimi Breer
hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
fax 626.798.9764
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:20:02 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Louisianna Meeting
The meeting I have been talking about having near New Orleans looks
like its going be a success. I currently have three owners who tell me
they will be there. I have one more person whom I should be getting in
touch with sometime tomorrow. There is another owner I have located but
I am not sure if I will be able to get in touch with him any time soon.
That's five cars I have located in Louisiana. One of the people I have
talked to won't have his car ready for a few weeks, or months, but i
feel it would be nice to go ahead and have the meeting in a couple of
weeks.
Two owners from Alabama are also thinking about attending the small
meeting. Their cars seem to be in good condition and ready for the
drive. I hope you guys make it.
As for the time and place, I hope to be having it somewhere out in
the LaPlace area. LaPlace is about 20 miles from New Orleans and is
where I-10 and I-55 meet. I plan on going out there this weekend to
find a nice little place where we can have lunch.
If things work out good we should be able to expect to have about
six (maybe seven) when we meet in LaPlace. If anyone would like more
information please email me at StephenR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx You can also page
me at (504) 386-3816
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:50:18 -0400
From: Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx (Ralph Isenberg)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Windows
My better half has a Bricklin. The windows are like regular car windows.
She thinks it's prettier than the DMC. Of course I'm always referring to
the DeLorean as "the most beautiful car in the world".
But, I kinda like the Brick too....
Ralph Isenberg (Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx)
1977 Pacer
1975 Vega (for sale-trophy winner!)
1990 Yugo Convertible (rare- also for sale)
2 Corvairs ready to restore, Comet, VW, 1988 Yugo GVX, too many
carburetors to feed, somebody adopt one!
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:18:46 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: More on Trailing Arm Bolts
At 10:57 PM 4/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 04:06 PM 4/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>A few weeks after I first acquired my DeLorean my driver's side trailing
>>arm bolt sheared off while the car was moving............
reply: Part 2.
The pesky trailing arm bolt is out and replaced now. it turns out that the
trailing arm bolt was bent, and one of the two retaining bolts twisted out
(broken off) which explains some of the problems.
The PJ Grady trailing arm bolt kit came complete with bushing and washers.
The replacement took about an hour, including cleaning up the work area
and
a slow bit by bit tear down of the broken unit and re assembly of the new
parts. The are no instructions that come with the kit, but a bit con
common
sense is all that is required to figure out how to teardown and replace
the
parts.
The repair can only be temporary because one of the bushing retaining
plate
bolts is broken off in the welded nut. It will require drilling and the
use
of an easy out and a suitable tap before the replacement bolt can be
installed. This job will require removing the entire trailing arm to gain
access.
My D is derivable now, but will require another tear down to clear the
welded nut. That will have to be next month.
I trust that every one will take this "yet another trailing arm bolt"
story
to heart. It only takes a few minutes to pull the two aluminium guards and
inspect the trailing arms, bolts, mounts etc.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:00:58 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: K & N Filters
At 10:18 PM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>When I was a PJ Grady a few weeks ago, Rob told me that a salesman gave
>him a sample of a filter that would fit the Delorean. From that, I can
>assume that one does exsist.
>
>
>Kayo Ong wrote:
>
>> Mr. Espey and everyone are right. NO SUCH THING (yet). Anyone want to
take
>
reply:
Hi,
I am a bit puzzled about all the chat about air filters, you can get
Napa6112, at any car parts store, cost a bout $12 bucks and they drop
right
in, fits perfectly. There at least 5 or six other brands that also fit the
D's filter box. So why all the interest in trying to get K&N to make
another?.........
Now that I think about it I recall a similar thread dealing with oil
filters....I change my oil and filter every 2000 mi with an oil flush
every
3rd change. I get a very easily found LS 410C Peugot Mod 85 604 GTI V6
"Purflux filter". Again on this Item, it's available at any car parts
store
that carries foreign car parts (which most do these days).
Am I missing something? are air and oil filters a problem ?
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:46:07 +0100
From: The DMC-12 <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
Just one point:
Most of these are european cars, and in Europe, the emissions laws came
into
effect long after the US. One thing I know increases the HP of the
DeLorean's PRV-6 is removing the catalytic converter and fitting headers.
*apparently* this boosts the HP to 170. I'm wondering if this is the
difference in these versions of the engines - no cat and better piping of
the exhaust.
I'd be happy to ask at the Peugot garage down the road about the
availability and technical specs of the engine (size, etc)
Martin
Geoffroy Birtz wrote:
> I've always thought the D could use a couple of extra ponies, and
> without turning it into a dragster, I figured it would be just happy
> around 200 hp. Here's a copy the engine list that's on the net. I
> deleted the lower HP ones. the complete list is at
> http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html
>
> So my questions are , looking at the 170 hp motor (that aren't turbo)
> like the Peugeot 605 (12 valves), the Renault safrane, Volvo 780 etc.
> What are the differences with our stock engines ?
> Can our engines be converted ?
> Will those engines (and the other ones) simply fit in the D ?
> If yes, Is anybody "in" for getting a bunch shipped from Europe (price
> depending of course !)
>
> comments ?
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:12:26 -0400
From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: RE: Door opening too fast...
OK Guys,
I have been sitting on the sidelines lestning to this line on
drooping/flying doors. I have received some really good instructions
from Steven Gilseth (from the list) on how to adjust the torsion bars.
I have been hearing about struts not up to par. The $64 question is how
do you know what the problem is? Is there a specification that would
let me know what force I should expect from the struts?
Ron
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:37:28 EDT
From: ABatt10347 <ABatt10347@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Original or not
Fellow DMCer's,
Everyone has strong feelings about this subject. While I have made
changes in
my DMC (many listed here on the DNL, extra windsheild washer, etc....).
There
is nothing changed on my car that I can not put back original in about 2
hours( no holes drilled, etc...). I have kept all the orginial parts. I
have
many friends that would never change anything, and this is their right.
However, in driving my "D" everyday I have found somethings to be of great
help and make the car safer to drive. Is a car worth more if it is
"untouched
all origianal". The answer would be yes. But is that a car that you would
want
to get in and drive everyday? I'll leave that up to each owner. We all
have
very different views and reasons for owning this type of automobile. I
understand the reasons for keeping one all orginial. I hope that people
will
also understand why some of us do change things on ours.
To the people who have an orginal "D" and don't drive it because it will
go
down in value, yes you have a great car for your grandchildren to sell.
But
you are missing out on a daily experience that I can only tell you is
more fun
than a man should have! In driving my "D" each day I not only enjoy my
drive
to work, but also help spread the word that Deloreans are still around.
Will I
ever sell mine? NEVER!!! Will my grandchildren? Not if they ever drive
it!!!!!!!
Thank you James, for having this newsletter where we all can give our
views. I
have found many answers to questions here and have made many friendships
because of our hobby. I would guess that each one of us is known in his
or her
area as the person with that BTTF car! Thats ok by me in that it still
keeps
the "dream " alive and interest in our cars by the younger generations.
Bruce Battles
Vin6569
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:56:52 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: K & N Filters
> ----------
> From: lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx[SMTP:lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> I am a bit puzzled about all the chat about air filters, you can
> get
> Napa6112, at any car parts store, cost a bout $12 bucks and they drop
> right
> in, fits perfectly. There at least 5 or six other brands that also fit
> the
> D's filter box. So why all the interest in trying to get K&N to make
> another?.........
>
Hey Lee, I with you on this one. My understanding from reading the
threads is that K&N are the best .
This kinda baffles me since air filters are just folded paper !
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:04:43 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: PRV6 possibilities
> ----------
> From: The DMC-12[SMTP:msg101@xxxxxxxxxx]
[Snip]
> One thing I know increases the HP of the
> DeLorean's PRV-6 is removing the catalytic converter and fitting
> headers.
> *apparently* this boosts the HP to 170. [snip]
>
WoW, 40 hp just by removing the cat. I find that hard to
believe. Let us know what you find out from Peugeot.
My feeling is that they also have Better FI.
Geoffroy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:20:42 +0100
From: "Nikki Schumann" <Nikki.Schumann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
An opinion from France:
I find a 40 bhp gain just by removing the cat on the optimistic side too.
However, before the company closed down, developments were underway for a
Euro spec DMC 12 and a few cars were produced without it. I have read
somewhere that these cars were putting out some 155 bhp = 25 bhp gain.
A 25 bhp gain may still sound optimistic to some, but let's not forget
that
the PRV engine was originally designed without a cat and also that most
Peugeot engines here in europe suffered badly from the introduction of
cats
! New injection mappings were programmed in a hurry and high octane
unleaded
fuel availability was low.
My 2 cent.
Nikki.
> [Snip]
>> One thing I know increases the HP of the
>> DeLorean's PRV-6 is removing the catalytic converter and fitting
>> headers.
>> *apparently* this boosts the HP to 170. [snip]
>>
> WoW, 40 hp just by removing the cat. I find that hard to
>believe. Let us know what you find out from Peugeot.
> My feeling is that they also have Better FI.
>
> Geoffroy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:14:36 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: National Geographic Article
Hello,
If anyone is interested in that National Geographic Article
mentioned recently, I also came across it when I researched the DeLorean
for a school project. It was in the April 1981 edition, pg 493. Hope
that helps.
I'd also like to submit my web-site to you folks for approval. My
goal with this site is to spread the gospel about the car, so I've
included many pictures that I've found from other sites. I lost track
of which pictures belonged to who, so if you see your car there, and you
don't want it there, just e-mail me with your original name of, or a
description of the pic, and I will promptly remove it. You also have to
go to the DeLorean link at the bottom of the page, that other crap is an
industrial design project. Let me know what you think,
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/7139/
-Josh Haldeman
haldeman.4@xxxxxxx
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:23:48 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: K & N Filters
>> D's filter box. So why all the interest in trying to get K&N to make
>> another?.........
>>
>Hey Lee, I with you on this one. My understanding from reading the
>threads is that K&N are the best .
>This kinda baffles me since air filters are just folded paper !
Well, actually K&N filters are oiled fabric, not conventional paper. They
are good for 10 years/1,000,000 miles, with a cleaning/reoiling every
50,000-100,000 miles. Since they aren't paper, they increase airflow, and
performace (up to 15 HP)... K&N are used throughout racing circuits,
etc...
Much better than paper, and you get a little sticker that says "Don't skew
with this filter" so the guys at Q-Lube don't try and sell you a new one!!
<g>
Dave
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:57:15 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: K & N Filters
You ae correct!! I got confused.. It was Amsoil that rob was talking
about.. :) sorry!
Kayo Ong wrote:
> I do know during the a past dicussion Rob have use an Amsoil Filter.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:32:04 -0400
From: Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx (Ralph Isenberg)
Subject: DML: Vintage magazine
I've got a Sept. 1968 Newsweek with a 3-page article on the auto
industry, highlighting JZD and his career before and during GM. Photos
of him and the new Grand Prix he did for Pontiac, also speculated on his
future presidency at GM. We all know how that turned out! If anyone
wants a nice photocopy of the article send a dollar to cover the copies
and postage and I'll send 'em out.
Ralph Isenberg
5005 Heathridge Terrace
Greensboro, NC 27410
Thanks, have a Delorean Day!
Ralph Isenberg (Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx)
1977 Pacer
1975 Vega (for sale-trophy winner!)
1990 Yugo Convertible (rare- also for sale)
2 Corvairs ready to restore, Comet, VW, 1988 Yugo GVX, too many
carburetors to feed, somebody adopt one!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:16:12 EDT
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: K & N Filters
Mr. Lee Seiler,
Yes, you are missing something!
In life things are invented "as necessity is the mother of invention".
Your
Delorean car is one of those "necessities" by John Z. Delorean.
The K&N filter, is it another "invention"? In either case, the K&N
filter is
something else. As a filter, it is just not another filter. Please check
their site out for full details of the K&N filter's GREAT UNIQUENESS!
No, I
am not a K&N salsesman.
The site: www.knfilter.com
See for yourself.
Many like myself feels this is what may help our Delorean motor's
performances.
On the other hand one can be like many car owners, why even BOTHER to
change
any filters at all? Drive it until it drops.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:08:04 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
Ok, lets assume that some of us on this list don't know a darned thing
about
engines (but want to...) and speak in "dumb-ese" about this whole CAT
issue
(I'm assuming that is short for catalitic converter). Here's what I've
taken in: A catalitic converter makes cleaner exhaust, but sacrifices
preformance? And there is a way to remove that? How? Do you have to put
something in it's place? Is there a Renault/Peugeot part that one could
buy? Tell me more!! Is that what a "header" is? if not, What is a
header?
I'm not in an "EPA Controlled" area (Oregon), so I'm not worried about
passing inspections....
Thanks folks, sorry to be so damn ignorant on this issue, I guess it takes
time to become an automotive expert....
Dave
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:49:07 -0400
From: Geoffroy Birtz <gbirtz@xxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: K & N Filters
> Well, actually K&N filters are oiled fabric, not conventional paper.
> They
> are good for 10 years/1,000,000 miles, with a cleaning/reoiling every
> 50,000-100,000 miles. Since they aren't paper, they increase airflow,
> and
> performace (up to 15 HP)... K&N are used throughout racing circuits,
> etc...
> Much better than paper, and you get a little sticker that says "Don't
> skew
> with this filter" so the guys at Q-Lube don't try and sell you a new
> one!!
>
> Dave
>
OK then ! back to JB, what's the # of the upside down filter ?
Geoffroy
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:32:07 -0600
From: "Aaron Barrus" <ASBARRUS@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: PRV6 possibilities
I don't have much experience with headers, so I won't even attempt. But =
catalytic converters are lots of fun - to get rid of I mean. Follow your
=
exhaust pipe from the engine, and a few feet down the pipe you'll find a =
rounded off box with a heat shield around it. It'll have clamps on
either =
side that allow it to bolt on to the exhaust pipe. As exhaust flows into
=
the converter, it becomes very hot (1000+ degrees, I've heard?!) and it =
burns all unburned gasses and carbon byproducts from the engine. Inside =
the cat is a honeycomb / mesh material, very restrictive. Looks kinda =
like thousands of screen doors laying on top of each other.
They're illegal to remove, so it takes some footwork (in utah anyway) to =
convince a shop to replace it. What I've done is remove the cat and =
measure the flanges on either side where it attaches, and the total =
length. Go to any exhaust shop and ask them to make a "pipe" to these =
measurements for your race car which is "down at the track currently". =
Replace your cat with this pipe to achieve instant power! When
inspection =
time comes around (in utah anyway), I stick the cat back on for the day.
You'll have just a bit of black soot collecting around your exhaust pipe,
=
but it cleans up pretty easily. It's one of the first things I do to =
every car I own. If you are paranoid about the environment, many shops =
will sell a "higih flow cat", which is supposed to be less restrictive =
than stock cats. This will run $300+, which is pretty pricey compared to
=
yanking the dumb thing out yourself.
Aaron
>>> "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 04/17 12:08 PM >>>
>Ok, lets assume that some of us on this list don't know a darned thing=20
>about
>engines (but want to...) and speak in "dumb-ese" about this whole CAT=20
>issue
>(I'm assuming that is short for catalitic converter). Here's what I've
>taken in: A catalitic converter makes cleaner exhaust, but sacrifices
>preformance? And there is a way to remove that? How? Do you have to put
>something in it's place? Is there a Renault/Peugeot part that one could
>buy? Tell me more!! Is that what a "header" is? if not, What is a=20
>header?
>
>I'm not in an "EPA Controlled" area (Oregon), so I'm not worried about
>passing inspections....
>
>Thanks folks, sorry to be so damn ignorant on this issue, I guess it takes
>time to become an automotive expert....
>
>Dave
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