dmcnews-digest Monday, April 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 350
In this issue:
DML: Dan In Chicago
DML: Engine Fire (WAS:need engine parts)
Re[2]: DML: Vandalism problems.
Re: Re[2]: DML: Vandalism problems.
DML: Stainless items
DML: RE: Headers
Re: DML: Vandalism problems.
DML: Different hoods
DML: FS: Misc Delorean Parts - radio,bumper,radiator
re:DML: Coyote DeLorean
DML: DeLorean Videos (Besides Back to the Future!)
DML: Vandalism Doesn't Worry Me.
DML: Re: DeLorean Videos (Correct Number)
DML: Hoods on 82's and 83's
DML: DeLorean Cup Holders
DML: Paint stripping
DML: Hotels Cincinnati Car show
Re: DML: DeLorean Cup Holders
DML: Delorean Spring fixing
DML: New home.
DML: Fiberglass body
DML: Gold DeLorean in Vegas
DML: Gold DeLorean Part II
DML: RE: Coolant Bypass
Re: DML: Gold DeLorean in Vegas
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:45:54 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01 <Don_Gowler-CFPO01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dan In Chicago
Dan, can you call me please.
Don Gowler (847) 435-3733 or e-mail me
cfpo01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks.
>----------
>From: hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx%INTERNET
>Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%INTERNET
>Sent: Thursday, April 9, 1998 5:31 PM
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%INTERNET
>Subject: DML: DMC Houston
>
>I just got my DMC-12 back from DMC Houston (I drove it to Chicago) after
>getting over $8000 worth of work done on it. Stephen and Warren were both
>very professional, fast, friendly and overall relatively inexpensive. I
>just wanted to give my kudos to them and their service. The car
>successfully made the 1200 mile trip without a problem.
>
>-Daniel McGauley (#2903)
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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:08:00 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Engine Fire (WAS:need engine parts)
Whats up with all of theese engine fire's?
Is this common?
What is the cause?
Anything we should be doing to prevent it?
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:18:23 -0500
From: DMC-FLUX <dmc-flux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re[2]: DML: Vandalism problems.
Hello Lzeitgeist,
Monday, 6 April 98, you wrote:
L> In a message dated 98-04-06 17:47:36 EDT, davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Dave
L> Price)
L> wrote:
>> Well, I went to see a movie at my local cineplex on Saturday. I had a
>> nice
>> drive there with my wife, we parked the car and went inside to catch the
>> 4:00 show. Upon returning to the Delorean, I noticed something that
>> hadn't
>> been there before. A key scratch that went the length of the driver's
>> door,
>> and a key scratch on the passenger side rear facia.
>>
L> Is this something that happens often to you lucky people who own
L> DeLoreans?
L> I'm planning on getting one in a few years, and I would just like to
know
L> ahead of time if I need to set myself up to expect the worst every
time I
L> park
L> it somewhere public...
L> Thanks for the info...
L> LZeitgeist@xxxxxxx -- Patrick W. Heinske
Personally I don't park mine anywhere public unless I am going to be
right next to it, thats what my Grand Cherokee is for. I am not sure
how you guys who own them as a primary car can feel safe going in
anywhere public with it. I took it to the grocery store the other
week and sweated it out the whole time, drove my wife nuts.
Best regards,
Dmc-flux mailto:dmc-flux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:01:58 -0700
From: Dave Price <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: DML: Vandalism problems.
>Personally I don't park mine anywhere public unless I am going to be
>right next to it, thats what my Grand Cherokee is for. I am not sure
>how you guys who own them as a primary car can feel safe going in
>anywhere public with it. I took it to the grocery store the other
>week and sweated it out the whole time, drove my wife nuts.
>
Well, yes.. every time I leave it alone I sweat it, but I refuse to be
held
prisoner by the scum of the earth. I just have to find creative ways of
fighting back. (Anyone have a car alarm that sends 300,000 volts to the
next guy that touches my car?) hehe..
Dave
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Edward Raffenetti" <eddie5150@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Stainless items
For those of you obsessed with Stainless Steel, Eddie Bauer sells some
stainless coffee mugs.
http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/ShopEB/frame_product.asp?ProdID=10820&CatID=13
82&LineID=326
http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/ShopEB/frame_product.asp?ProdID=10821&CatID=13
82&LineID=326
http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/ShopEB/frame_product.asp?ProdID=8661&CatID=138
2&LineID=326
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:12:37 -0500
From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Headers
James,
Fred Lockett of DeLorean Specialties used to sell headers for the =
DeLorean. (He used to advertise them with other items in older issues =
of DeLorean World) The dual exhaust headers ran $400.00 and the headers =
with 2 turbo mufflers ran $600.00. This however, was years ago. His =
number (if its still good) is (215)-625-4932.
Hope this helps,
Duke
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8952/delorean.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Espey [SMTP:espey@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 1:11 PM
To: DMCNews
Subject: DML: Headers
Anyone have any "real world" experience with headers on their DeLorean?=20
Rob Grady has a set on his green car, but in Columbus last fall he said=20
that he was not selling them. I read in a DeLorean CLub UK newsletter=20
that they were available, but have since misplaced the name/address of=20
the source. Any help appreciated...
James
espey@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:09:59 +0100
From: The DMC-12 <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Vandalism problems.
Dave Price wrote:
>Anyone have a car alarm that sends 300,000 volts to the
>next guy that touches my car?) hehe..
Now THERE'S a thought!!! It IS the ONLY car with a bare metal skin!!!
Martin
PS Seriously, 300,000 volts might have you up on an assault charge, but
you
can happily generate a shock that will not do any physical hurt (my car
does it to me in the summer when I'm wearing trainers - NOT a DeLorean).
PPS If anyone cares, I have mentioned my (odd) car, and I believe you
don't
have them in the US, have a look at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/6876
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:09:10 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Different hoods
On the subject of different hoods, with what VIN number did DMC change
from the hood with lines to the totally flat hood?
I know the early 81's had the fuel filler flap and the hood with lines.
Does all 81 DMC have the hood with lines (including the last 81 VIN
7199)?
Did DMC change to the flat hood beginning with VIN 10001?
Anyone?
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:22:37 -0700
From: John Kohler <jhk@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: FS: Misc Delorean Parts - radio,bumper,radiator
I sold my delorean, but have some parts for sale:
for full details see:
http://www.sonic.net/jhk/delorean
(you can see a pic of my delorean I used to own too!)
Pioneer KEH-7878 Cassette Car Stereo
This Stereo makes an excellent replacement for a worn out
Delorean Unit. No need to HACK up the delorean to install this
stereo! Just remove the old one, and slip this one in. Perfect
Fit! These shaft units are getting harder to find, especially
High Power Ones! It is also an excellent temporary replacement if
you wish to keep the original unit in pristine condition, while
having an excellent unit in the car.
* 25 W x 2 15W x 4 HIGH POWER
* PLL SYNTHESIZER TUNER
* BEST STATION MEMORY
* AUTO-REVERSE
* ALL DIGITAL CONTROLS
* LOUDNESS SWITCH
* RADIO INTERCEPT
* AUTO-REVERSE
* DOLBY B NR
* MUSIC SEARCH
* FADER CONTOL
* 18 FM/6AM PRESETS
Notes:
This top of the line unit was installed in my delorean using the
original Delorean Speakers. It was in service for about 1 year.
The car sat in the garage most of the time. (I put about 2,000
miles on the car in this time). The unit has probably played
about 50 cassette tapes. It gets excellent reception (has pioneer
super tuner III), works excellently with the built in Delorean
Power Antenna, and has a built in high power amp built-in. It is
a nice unit. I sold my delorean for next to nothing, and put the
stock deck back in the car, and kept this one. It includes the
original box, deck (LIKE NEW!), trim plate and all original
hardware, wiring, manual -&- Warranty card!. Originally cost me
$300.00. I will sell for $150.00
RADIATOR - Original DMC radiator. I had to purchase a brand new
radiator for my delorean after one of the plastic side pieces on
this radiator broke (The radiator shop and dealorean parts places
says these pieces are unavailable - although if you have a DMC
radiator laying around to take these pieces off...). This is a
good radiator if you repair it. It needs one plastic sides that
attach to the main core of the radiator. Most any radiator shop
can put on the plastic pieces to the sides. If my memory serves
me correctly, only one side has a leak. $20.00 (I think the new
radiator cost me like $300)
REAR BUMPER - This is the actual rear 5mph impact bumper. It is
connected directly to the frame if my memory serves me correctly
it is below the REAR BUMPER COVER so it is only seen when this
cover is removed.. It is a piece of aluminum surrounded by some
"foam" looking stuff. This one is in ok condition, although on
one side of the aluminum around the corner, there is a chunk of
the foam stuff missing. (Will try to get a picture online) I dont
know how much these cost, but will sell this one for $30.00
please email jhk@xxxxxxxxx if interested.
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 9:15:11 MDT
From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" <PhillipsJT00.CS33.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re:DML: Coyote DeLorean
I found a picture of the so-called "Coyote" DeLorean. Looks to me that
iots your standard kit car. It is obviously a rear engine car but I can't
tell
if the doors are gull-wings or not. If it was a DeLorean it can no
longer
be considered even a close cousin.
The address is :
http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2624/coyote.jpg
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:42:27 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Videos (Besides Back to the Future!)
A friend of mine sells old car commercial tapes for a living, and he now
has some DeLorean tapes. I thought I'd let everyone know. The tapes are
all 2 hours long.
For information and prices, please call Harold J. Doebel at
(909)269-1206. Please make sure to tell him YOU SAW IT ON THE INTERNET
DMC-LIST to get the better pricing. I'm not sure exactly what the prices
are, but I believe somewhere between $25 and $30, with shipping included
even.
- -Dave Stragand
THE "ORPHANS":
1951-1981 TV spots for AMC, Hudson, Nash, Packard, Studebaker,
Kaiser-Fraser, Henry J, Edsel, International, DeLorean. 2 hrs.
JOHN DeLOREAN - THE MAN AND HIS CAR:
Documentary, 2 hours
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:40:23 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Vandalism Doesn't Worry Me.
I consider my DeLorean to be a daily driver (during non-winter months)
and I have never worried about its safety. I park it at work every day,
and at school every night. Both are in downtown Cleveland. Without a
second thought I take my DeLorean to supermarkets, bars, restaurants,
malls, and discount stores.
In four years I have seen no sign of vandalism. At the same time, I have
had so much fun showing it off that I feel my DeLorean has paid for itself
already.
Every day I see Jaguars, Corvettes and Porsches parked at the
supermarket, so why not my DeLorean? I believe it is important to give
the car lots of exposure to the public. The more attention the car gets
and the more curious questions I answer the better.
I do admit that I always go out of my way to find a high-visibility
parking
space for my DeLorean, but that has more to do with gratifying my ego
than placating my paranoia.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:02:20 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Videos (Correct Number)
> For information and prices, please call Harold J. Doebel at (909)269-1206.
Whoops! Another area code change: It's (732)269-1206.
Sorry!
- -Dave
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:11:38 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hoods on 82's and 83's
A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to meet with some owners in
Greenville, AL. One of the people I met was Bill. He is the proud
owner of a late 81 that has the lines in the hood but has no gas flap.
He told me about his other car, an 82, and i think he said it has the
DMC logo on the front-drivers side of the hood. It has always been my
belief that the 82's were mostly plain flat hoods and that the 83's were
flat hoods with the DMC logo. Could someone please correct me if i am
wrong? I would just like to know if the DMC logo was added to the hood
on the 83's or if it was discontinued on the 83's.
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:20:41 -0800
From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Cup Holders
The one reason why the DeLorean wouldn't make it in today's market:
Cup holders.
I made a stop a few days ago at one of those drive-up coffee stands.
Outside of having to open the door and unhooking my seat belt so I
could reach way up to the window, I really had no safe place to put
the cup. What have people done to hold onto their cups? I envision a
replacement for the padded section of the center console with 2
indentations deep enough to properly hold on to those 48oz drinks. Or
is there some add-on item that people have found to work well on a
DeLorean?
- -------------------------------------------------------
Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911
Sacramento, CA
kenm@xxxxxxxx "When the wind gets under these wings
Operating You will feel what freedom brings"
Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons
(916) 278-7646
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
- -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:37:59 -0400
From: "Jonthan Lazar" <jlazar6447@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Paint stripping
Does anyone know how much money it would cost to strip the paint off of a
painted DeLorean? Can a normal paint shop do it, or do they need certain
chemicals and tools because of the stainless steel? Any help is
appreciated.
Jonathan Lazar
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 06:41:06 EDT
From: KKoncelik <KKoncelik@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hotels Cincinnati Car show
An update on the hotels for the Cincinnati DeLorean Car show.
Due to the great response the Comfort Suites has been sold out. I still
have
a block of rooms and they will be at a first come first serve basis.
There
are about 30 rooms left.
Many of you are booking your own hotel so the alternative Hotel is the new
Hampton Inn Covington KY about 1 mile from the Hampton off exit 192 &
I75.
It is less than a year old. Complete with business room, exercise room a
pool
and more.
There are 50 rooms left there at this point again on a first come first
serve
basis.
Cost is $89.00 plus tax per night.
The distances and accessability to the events are the same for both
hotels and
there are no functions being held at either hotel.
A hospitality room from 2-6 Friday will be at the Comforts Suites and is
open
to everyone whether you are staying in a hotel or not.
For reservations call 606-581-7800 or the tool free national number at
1-800-426-7866.
address is
200 Crescent Ave
Covington KY.
The hotels are within walking distance to each other and are on each end
of
Resturaunt Row along the Riverfront.
Thank you for your great response and I apologize for any inconvenience
this
may cause.
Ken
KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
http://idt.net/~dmc1219
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:14:22 EDT
From: dmcnut@xxxxxxxx (DeLorean Nut)
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Cup Holders
>indentations deep enough to properly hold on to those 48oz drinks. Or
>is there some add-on item that people have found to work well on a
>DeLorean?
>
At an auto store called Benny's in Dennisport, MA, I found these nifty
little plastic adhesive-backed "hide-away" cup holders. Looks like a flat
rectangle of plastic (about 3x1x1/8 inches) until it FOLDS OUT (very
clever!) into a little frame to hold the cup. I stuck two on the opposite
side of the center console (I rarely carry passengers) and they have
served well.
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 06:26:17 EDT
From: Ferris Buh <FerrisBuh@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean Spring fixing
Hello all,
It is the time of year again when I set up the garage to make my fixes
for the
year. I was looking to do it right this year so I need help with the
following:
1) What is the best way to clean the relays and connectors?
2) I live in the desert. Is there any benefit in Rob's upgraded radiator
and
cooling fan module? What difference does the upgraded weatherstripping
make?
3) My washer fluid cap is missing and they aren't available. What fits?
4) Is there an upgrade for trailing arm bolts?
5) How much of a difference is there in a stainless clutch cable? Guess
which
one I have?
6) What high temp. arosol paint will match the gray wheels? What matches
the
trim?
7) How can I best go about getting the "Chrome" look I have seen now and
then?
I have a lot of time on my hands and was wondering if sandpaper would work
(2000 grit).
8) My passenger window falls in when it goes down. Where has it fallen
off the
track for the majority of you?
9) the low down on lowering from those that have had it for years is?
Oh, and in response to the bits about vandalism. My friend has a ferrari
and
he gets the infamous "thumbs up" from other motorists. My friend with a
black
911 has had more people spit on his car, rip the antenna out, key it, etc.
than should be good for his esteem. Deloreans aren't associated with the
arrogant and "I'm better than you" attitude found in the world of cars.
Instead, it, and other rarities are respected and viewed with some
enthusiasm.
Thus, they are less prone to vandalism. Anyhow, my Ford was stolen (Thank
you
someone) and I put in a Code Alarm for the Delorean. Code Alarm supplies
to
GM, Honda, Toyota, etc. so the reliabilty sold me. I live in a high crime
area
and have had no problems leaving her outside with my Alpine CD player
inside.
The flashing LED and audible chirp help. Also, to complicate theft, I had
the
windows tinted to make looking for the lock and goods inside harder.
When the windows were tinted, the guy did a horrible job (Topline in Santa
Ana). So look closely at someone's car and ask around if you like the
work. It
is illegal in TN and CA where I live but the cops are nice. And on to the
cops... The DMC is a visible car without doubt. BEL-Tronics sells a radar
detector that can mount under the binnacle so thieves and police can't
see it.
The antenna mounts in the jack storage area with the wire running under
the
carpet up front, and to the ignition for power whenever you start up. I
have
one, and on a trip to FLorida, it paid for itself ($200-$300 online).
Happy Motoring
Dave #5252
Lic. "INSECUR"
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 08:11:07 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New home.
Some of you may remember the story of the
car In Tenn that had been sitting for years.
well, it now has a new home in my Garage !!
Brought it home last weekend and after a
little work and flushing of the fuel system,
the thing actually started and ran halfway
good. So, maybe next year, I will have
a complete car to take to the car show.
- -Brandon
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 08:13:28 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fiberglass body
I posted this once before, but never had a responce.
So, I'm trying one more time.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to refinish
the engine bay and luggage compartment areas of the
black underbody ? Is it just paint or paint and clearcoat
or something else ?
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:25:02 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter <kwolter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gold DeLorean in Vegas
I was out on a business trip this last week in Vegas and stopped by the =
Imperial Palace auto collection to see if they still had the gold =
DeLorean that I would swear that I saw there when I was 18 (late June, =
1988). Has anybody else seen it there? Unfortunately I don't know if =
it was a real one or if it was painted gold. I did request some =
information about it and I shall see what I get back. I was mainly =
curious to know if anybody else ever saw it there.
- - Kevin #6810
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:28:45 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter <kwolter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Gold DeLorean Part II
I just realized after I sent the last message that it sounded like the =
gold DeLorean was still at the collection. It was not, which is why I =
was wondering if anybody else saw it during the last 10 years.
Sorry about any confusion.
- - Kevin #6810
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:02:06 -0700
From: Gary Hull <ghull@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Coolant Bypass
Arnie Brandon would like thank everyone who ordered a coolant by-pass
kit,
and hopes that they will remedy your air-entrapment problems (as it has
for
so many others). He has shipped all of the orders received prior to
4/11/98. If he receives additional orders, he plans to compile them
until
he can purchase the parts in quantity, Future orders will be shipped no
later than June.
Thanks,
Gary Hull
XyNexT Business Strategies
http://xynext.com
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 11:35:39 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gold DeLorean in Vegas
On 4/11/98 10:25 AM, Kevin Wolter shared these fine thoughts...
>I was out on a business trip this last week in Vegas and stopped by the =
>Imperial Palace auto collection to see if they still had the gold =
>DeLorean that I would swear that I saw there when I was 18 (late June, =
>1988). Has anybody else seen it there? Unfortunately I don't know if =
>it was a real one or if it was painted gold. I did request some =
>information about it and I shall see what I get back. I was mainly =
>curious to know if anybody else ever saw it there.
One of the two original American Express Gold Plated DeLoreans is in the
National Automobile Mususem in Reno, Nevada. I saw it there over
Christmas 1996. As far as I have been able to determine, it has always
been in the possession of the NAC, though it may have been on display at
the Imperial Palace.
At one time, the Imperial Palace did have a "regular" stainless DeLorean
on display. I do not remember seeing it on display at the time of the DOA
expo there in 1995 nor at the time I was there over Christmas of 1996 (my
big Vegas/Reno/Tahoe trip), but it was there in the summer of 1989.
James
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