Ah so you know what I mean.. Vented brakes helps - but the debate is still open on drilling.. it doesn't really do anything! Race cars don't even have them these days...bigger surface area is better - drilling only helps pad wear! I'm no expert on that but the results are out there. Dan Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxx> wrote: > I have had that experience with my Xantia after a particularly spritied > romp through the lanes towards my flat. The Xantia has a > more-intelligent-than-average braking system as it's all high pressure > hydraulics with the suspension beign an integral part of the brakes > (active pitch correction based on the speed you hit the pedal to name > but one). It has 300mm vented discs up front, though they aren't > cross-drilled they're still twin 12mm lumps of steel, and this resulted > in amazing amoutns of brake fade when I least expected it. Luckily it > only meant carrying on when I meant to turn right, but I know what you mean. > > Martin