I have been using POR 15 the stuff some vendors and other use in the USA see www.por15.com and to buy in the UK http://www.frost.co.uk/acatalog/Index_Painting_18.html But make sure you buy their POR15 Solvent with it as normal solvent wont shift it. Chris S __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.