Hi Al, It sounds like you haven't yet read JZD's book, "On a Clear Day You Can See GM". Go pick up a copy. I think I just saw the paperback version on Amazon for around $2.50. It will answer your question about the ethical sports car idea. Basically he wanted to build a car that the company could stand behind.or at least that's where he started. What developed is another story entirely. For that one, read "Hard Driving" by Bill Haddad as well as DeLorean's Autobiography. Those two combined, give you kind of an overall sense of the company's history. ".With a frame that rusts as badly if not worse than its contemporaries." It does? I think epoxy coated steel was a lot better than the cheap frame paint I find on even some of today's cars. DeLorean at least gave you some measure of protection against the elements right from the factory.and on the late 82's and 83's, he even added factory undercoating over the epoxy! I've run into relatively few DeLoreans that have terrible condition frames. They do exist, but most cars have just surface rust here and there. I'm not saying epoxy coating steel is a method without flaws, but it's a lot better than most of the DeLorean's contemporaries. A twin turbo model would have definitely been worth more than the base cars, if put into production.but what if the company also sold aftermarket engine upgrade kits? Kind of like what Island Turbo and others already did in the 80's and 90's? If you were on a budget, and couldn't afford the more expensive twin-turbo, then maybe you could buy a kit for less and do it yourself. We'll never know how the company would have handled that.but if I ever get my time circuits working, I'll be sure to go back and rewrite that particular part of history so we can find out. (hehe) -Josh VIN 5102 VIN 15964 VIN 11289 VIN 909 _____ From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nelson, Allan Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:23 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [DML] Re: Further Thoughts on Angle Drives David's comment here got me thinking. What made these cars the "ethical" sports car that was the popular buzz word in the day? Please don't take this message as hostile or antagonistic. I have been a DeLorean fan as long as I can remember and truly like them. I am sincerely curious to know what features or practices were intended. I know the car that ended up being built was far from that which was initially envisioned so perhaps many of these ideas were dismissed in favor of getting the car to market as less over-budget as possible. I've read that the car was supposed to last much longer than the typical "throw-away" vehicles of the period. With a frame that rusts as badly if not worse than its contemporaries, that doesn't seem to hold up. Plus I have seen many knowledgeable people on this list saying that many of the systems and components are 25 years old and were never intended to last that long. Also, as David suggests, "just to get through the warranty period" doesn't seem any more ethical than any other car company. I've also read that model changes weren't supposed to occur very often and make the previous years dated or obsolete. Wasn't a twin-turbo car in the works to be released for production in 1984 or so? Seems to me this would have made the previous non-turbo cars relatively obsolete and worth much less on the used car market. Again, not trying to slam the car, company or anybody. I do not wish to offend with my questions or comments. Just trying to gain more knowledge of these unique cars and perhaps stir some interesting discussion (not flame wars). Al To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/