A quick glance at the wiring diagram indicates that the window motors are of the reversible variety. In order to drive the motor in one direction you put power on the first lead and ground on the second. In order to go the opposite direction you reverse this and put ground on the first lead and power on the second. Putting power on both leads has no effect since there is no voltage across the motor (and therefore no current). If you put power on one lead and leave the second floating there is also nothing that happens since there is no ground return path. Knut --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Slupski" <slupa@...> wrote: <snip> > Our conclusion for this is that the power window motors do not have > a ground at them to complete the circuit even when we put power > directly to the motor. > > The quandry is...where do the motors get their ground from and why > is that affecting the a/c illumination circuit?!? To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/