You know, it's refreshing to read that someone who is looking for a Delorean has taken the time to try and understand them. I can't tell you how many people have told me, after seeing my car, "I really want to buy one of these", when they may not know what they are saying. There's a lot to learn about these vehicles and I'm glad that you, Tom, have at least an understanding of the history. Johnny 5518 If you ever get the chance to take a VIN plate off for whatever reason, there should be holes underneath where the rivets would have went, if the old VINS were actual from 82. All this, and I dont even own a DeLorean. But its coming soon... Tom Porter Maine, USA (Please correct me if I am wrong...)