Bob, Take a look at this cup holder: http://205.133.7.130/images/cupholder.jpg (don't know who's car it is, just saw it and liked it) More simple & practical than frame cut'n. Your beverage can sweat and drip without fear of electrical wiring. Just a wet leg of the passenger ;-) I think its better and cheeper than the "clip on" version. I use the area between the seat and carpeted body of the car. Screw on 20oz-ers are the best. Have to drive extra carefull when driving if a typical lided-choke-n-chew cup is used. You don't rest your arm on the console & ashtray area while driving? Shannon Y 16506 Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:18:50 -0000 From: "videobob11" <videobob@xxxx> Subject: Cup Holder - ADVANCED We have all seen that clip on cup holder for sale, .... >>snip<< The idea is to either drill into the actual frame with a hole saw and recess the cup holder down into it with a matching base. >>snip<< I would love to hear what people think of this idea or if anyone has ever done this. >>snip<< - Videobob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree