In a message dated 3/8/02 5:36:18 PM Central Standard Time, jvdwouw@xxxx writes: > Most modern radio's I've built into cars are SHORTER than the old > ones, even when they sport an internal CD-player... > > JAN van de Wouw > Thinking Different... Using a Mac... > Living the Dream... You could be correct. now that i think about it, maybe my ASI was longer than my alpine... i KNOW that my pioneer deck is deeper than the Delco deck i pulled from my Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. I don't really remember it right now but i remember that installation of the deck, with the exception of the wiring (my OEM wiring was color-coded incorrectly or something), was terribly simple. the deck just dropped right into the precut OEM bracket and it doesn't move around or stick out more than i would expect it to. i would say that if the deck sticks out too much, you just got a bad deck! Andy Soma576@xxxx 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596 Fargo, ND 58102 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]