>take my car out when the temperature is below zero F again. EVER! > Don't you mean 0 Celcius or 32 Fahrenheit, which is both the point where water freezes? Zero Farhenheit is quite a bit colder. You and I, we know. You're in Dakota, I was an Alaskan until last year. I didn't own/drive a D in Alaska, but I did have a Fiero one winter. It drove much, but was better balanced than a D. Do you know I never once go that car stuck in a snow drift or bank? But that stupid Bronco, it got stuck all the time. That is probably a result of my attitude. In the Fiero I drove with caution and defense. With the Bronco I thought I was invincible. That still doesn't explain why I never got my dad's Blazer stuck growing up when I had no brains..... Kevin #4687 Houston, & loving this 80F degree afternoons and 65F mornings, and driving the D _ALL_ year long!