In a message dated 11/5/99 8:59:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, RappaRivaRat@xxxx writes: << Lotus did not "copy" the Esprit. Lotus had nothing to do with the design of the DeLorean, at lea >> I never said the design but the engineering aspects,they dumped the ERM process for they frame engineering,then applied the engineering from the Lotus,which in retrospect was not worth the problems that lotus created for the Delorean frame(a frame of the thickness of a dime)with epoxy coating,that when cracked would trap water and moisture and cause the thin frame to rustup at a alarming rate. Claude 000570