[DML] Re: respect and courtesy

["Dan RC30" <danrc30@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

[MODERATOR NOTE:  For those who have asked, this message contains a mild example of hearsay.  Please be very careful when referring to conversations outside the DML.  - moderator Mike Substelny]


For some reason, my e-mail account was screwing up and I misses many 
messages. I just briefly caught up and I would like to say this...

I received, and still continue to receive, praises from random DMLers for me 
speaking my mind. They say they agree with what I say but are afraid to 
speak their minds publicly. I find this very sad. It's sad that people are 
afraid to speak their minds and that "others" are creating this fear. I have 
yet to receive one single negative e-mail from anyone! (Ok, so now I might 
get one... ;) ) Why is it that only Marc and I are the only ones who are 
100% not afraid to see and speak the truth? Marc and I are friends and we 
are in the same car club, but we don't sit around talking about this to each 
other. It's just not worth our time. We each have better things to do and 
talk about. Lately, the interaction we've had is him helping me fix another 
one of my cars in his garage! And it's not even a DeLorean! I didn't have 
the knowledge to do the work he helped me with... he actually did most of 
it! So, anyone who says that he's not helping anyone, you can go jump off a 
cliff! He's been extremely generous and helpful with my car, as well as my 
girlfriend's SUV. So in my mind, anyone who attacks Marc for not helping 
others, is just swimming in ignorance. I bet Marc would even help fix Sonny 
V's car. (if Sonny V actually existed and he had a car... lol)

I also read a post saying that they don't see me helping others with 
technical problems... well, that's true... they don't see me... at least not 
publicly. I usually e-mail people privately instead of clogging up the DML 
with tons of posts that are all the same info as others are saying. (Maybe 
Dave T. could learn something from this technique... ;) ) I've also helped 
people on a first hand basis... yes, I've helped many out first hand as many 
other DMLers have.

Getting back on the topic at hand, the reason for me speaking my mind is I 
like this list, but I would like to see it balanced more. There is a clear 
bias with SOME of the moderators and it has been this way for some time. I 
was simply living with it until the whole Sunny V topic was being "swept 
under the carpet". That was just plain wrong and it was painfully obvious.

My question is, why can't ALL members of this list simply cut the crap, and 
sign their names to their posts? This is simple and basic common courtesy. 
If you want anonymity, join another list. I wish the mods would make this a 
rule... Yes I know, someone can still be sneaky and create another name and 
hide behind it, but there's always going to be some loser out there doing 
this. If someone does do this, I can only imagine how pathetic their real 
life is to dedicate so much of their time to be deceptive on a list on the 
internet... geez...

Darryl, maybe someday I'll have enough extra cash to buy your last DeLorean 
from you... I'd like to see you post with no fear... :)

Nice Job Darryl.

---Evil Dan



--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "darryl" <darryl@xxxx> wrote:
>
><<Although I appreciate all of the private support, I do wish my supporters 
>would be more vocal in public.>>
>
>Marc, for what it's worth I agree with what you are saying, but I think a 
>lot of readers aren't getting the point.  I think many of us, especially 
>old timers, have a problem with anonymous posters - when posters are not 
>willing to use their real name they don't have to be accountable for what 
>they say.  It abets those with overblown egos, at the expense of respect 
>and common courtesy.  If they are going to make public statements, whether 
>technical help or complaints, they should have the guts to put their name 
>on it.  As usual, Gary "IN2TIME" hit the nail on the head.  Whether or not 
>"Greg/endotex" and "Gary/jetjock/checksix" are the same person, they have 
>the same attitude which detracts from the usually valid points they offer.  
>I don't know about the rest of you, but I give no weight to anonymous 
>posts.  Dave T., Dave S., Toby, Joe, and yes Marc have built reliable 
>reputations by signing their posts, as have most others on this list.  Of 
>course with a few it has had a negative effect (anyone remember the post 
>about novice mechanics not needing a fire extinguisher when working on the 
>fuel system?), but that's a subject for another time.
>
>As for the "Sonny V" postings, and the DMCH admission that they were done 
>intentionally, that classless act goes way beyond "business promotion".  
>Why would a business that has no competitors (all of the "approved" vendors 
>buy from them at a small discount) need to resort to deception to build up 
>sales?  Even though Stephen was a D1 protégé I think we all inherently 
>expected more from him.  I suspect maybe "Sonny" is leading him astray....  
>But who besides Marc will say anything when the next time they need some 
>rare part they may find out it's "no longer available"?  (Marc, where do 
>you get your parts?)
>
>Once my last DeLorean is sold I may have a lot more to add to this subject. 
>  Or I may just fade away.
>  [Moderators, feel free to add a tacky critique to this message (should it 
>actually get posted) like you did to Marc's 12/28 post.  Was that really 
>necessary?]
>
>Darryl Tinnerstet
>McCleary, WA







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