RE: [DML] Re: Questions on automatic transmissions

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

See what I mean?
If you read a few of the last post from some of the most trusted names in 
this community,
they just told me to do a fluid change - including Stephen Wynne.
What and who am I supposed to believe?

All I know is that I can drive my car just fine, once it warms up that is.
- VB

>From: Chris Shepherd <chrisau79@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [DML] Re: Questions on automatic transmissions
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:51:46 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>Believe John. Don't change the fluid. Anyone who tells you to change it is 
>only interested in selling you a new transmission.
>
>Chris
>6301
>
>Videobob Moseley <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>Well, "local boy" John Hervey told me that if I were to replace the fluid
>now after it is "burned"
>that the new fluid would melt off all the plates inside my trasmission and
>it would be dead.
>He told me not to change the fluid and to drive it until it breaks and then
>rebuild it or replace it because the damage is already done.
>
>I told this to Stephen Wynne and he laughed, and said John was wrong, and 
>to
>just do a
>filter and fluid change on it right away.
>
>Then again, I have had other mechanics tell me that once the fluid is 
>burned
>not to change it.... I think I remember someone telling me to put OATMEAL 
>in
>the transmission or something crazy like that!
>
>I don't know who to believe or who to trust, some people have motives to
>sell me
>a transmission, others are just trying to sound knowledgeable.
>So far no one is willing to make any gaurantees.
>
>The way I look at it is, right now it does run and drive.
>Once it warms up it is fine...I drove it to PF this way.
>If I take the chance and do the simple fluid change, it might help, it 
>might
>do nothing
>or god forbid it will wipe out the transmission for good and the car will 
>be
>down until
>I can afford to fix it.
>
>I don't know what to do, but I don't think I should experiment with it 
>until
>I have
>an extra $5000 in the bank.
>
>- VB
>
> >From: "Harold McElraft"
> >Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [DML] Re: Questions on automatic transmissions
> >Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:45:02 -0000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Sounds like the computer is shot and the fluid is LOW. Don't be
> >afraid to run the fluid up to the full mark when the trans is COLD.
> >I would get a new computer or at least let Hervey do his thing to it
> >before I drove it another foot. Also, Stephen, Don and Rob are
> >correct - not the local boys, just look at the collective DeLorean
> >experience talking to you.
> >
> >Harold McElraft - 3354
> >
> >
> >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley"
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Since we are in the thick of this topic, I would like to talk
> >about the way
> > > my car rides.
> > > My automatic shifts like a mule just kicked you.
> > > It winds way up and then jerks into gear with a slow slingshot
> >effect.
> > >
> > > One of my main problems is that it will not shift into 3rd until
> >it is
> > > warmed up good.
> > > If I take off on a cold day, I will have to drive in 1st gear for
> >a while
> > > otherwise it
> > > will slip gear and the motor will just spin until I put it into
> >first and it
> > > will catch.
> > > Once I get it up to a high RPM I can shift up to 2nd and it will
> >go, but if
> > > I put it in
> > > 3rd it will just slip, unless I get on the highway and punch it.
> > > Once I get going real fast, lets say 70 in 2nd gear then I can
> >usually put
> > > it in 3rd
> > > and it will catch....but sometimes it will simply drop back and
> >forth from
> > > 2nd to 3rd.
> > > Once the car is warmed up and finally drives smooth in 3rd, it
> >will stay
> > > like that as long
> > > as you are driving it around.
> > >
> > > I have had people look at the trans fluid and smell it, and
> >although it is
> > > still red they tell
> > > me it smells burned, and I have been told not to replace the fluid
> >because
> > > if I do
> > > it will melt the inside of my transmission.
> > > Of course Stephen Wynne told me that was BS and to go ahead and do
> >it.
> > > So I don't know who to believe.
> > > But as far as I know the car has never had a trans service in 35K
> >of life,
> > > but I am
> > > afraid to do it.
> > > I just dont know what to do about it because I can not afford to
> >send it to
> > > Stegar.
> > > I have had local trans shops tell me that they can rebuild it for
> >me for
> > > about $800
> > > but of course Stegar and Grady both tell me that these trans shops
> >only
> > > "think they know what they are looking at" and "could not possibly
> >do it for
> > > that".
> > >
> > > All I know is that I have a serious problem with the transmission
> >and it is
> > > running like crap
> > > because of it, it is robbing me of power and making me rev the
> >engine too
> > > much.
> > > On cold mornings like we have had lately, I need to warm up the
> >car for
> > > about 20
> > > minutes before I can drive it.
> > >
> > > So what should I do?
> > >
> > > - Videobob
> > >
> > > >From: "Harold McElraft"
> > > >Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [DML] Re: Questions on automatic transmissions
> > > >Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:28:12 -0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >An accurately setup auto shifts nice and smooth hot or cold - in
> > > >really cold weather the shifts are a little smoother - almost
> > > >unnoticeable - warmed up - noticeable but smooth - no banging or
> > > >jerking. I notice the change in engine sound more than anything
> > > >along with more getup, especially at WOT. Never notice down
> >shifting
> > > >at coasting to stops or stopping. Down shifting from throttle
> > > >response is firm but smooth and up shift the same - I try never to
> > > >let the trans have to go through two gear shifts at once - i.e.
> > > >first to third or third to first (I just visualize too much stuff
> > > >going on in there for the by-pass of gears to be good for it).
> > > >
> > > >To get what I consider a really smooth trans took me a few years
> >of
> > > >working with an auto trans that was abused in its early years and
> > > >run for some time with the computer screwed up.
> > > >
> > > >Three critical adjustments: The trans throttle cable, the computer
> > > >working correctly and the vacuum module. And, the engine has to be
> > > >working and idling correctly. In terms of problem areas I'd say
> > > >first computer, then engine running correctly, throttle
> >adjustment,
> > > >vacuum module. Last, trans internals.
> > > >
> > > >The whine - is it in first or at the shift 1-2 only? That sounds
> > > >like a trans filter clogged up or air in the system. Have you
> > > >serviced the trans lately? The harsh down shift is a symptom of a
> > > >faulty computer but an engine with a fast idle or slow to idle
> > > >symptom will cause a similar issue.
> > > >
> > > >Diagnosing a D trans is really an art as much as a science in my
> > > >experience. But, you have to be sure you're dealing with one
> >problem
> > > >not two or more. That requires checking everything one at a time.
> > > >
> > > >Harold McElraft - 3354
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Enid/Jeremiah
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple questions. I never really paid any attention
> > > > > to it, but I was wondering how a ideal working
> > > > > automatic transmission shifts. Obviously,
> > > > > 1st->2nd->3rd, but what is its behavior? Is it
> > > > > supposed to shift really hard and firmly, or does it
> > > > > shift softly like todays modern cars where one can
> > > > > barely feel a shift at all? Would a change in
> > > > > temperature (summer vs winter weather) have a effect
> > > > > on the shifting patterns? Also, when the automatic
> > > > > transmission downshifts, should you be able to really
> > > > > feel the downshifts or should it be really smooth and
> > > > > almost unnoticeable? My car shifts up very firmly,
> > > > > and it downshifts from 2nd to 1st very firmly, but I
> > > > > don't really detect any downshifting from 3rd to 2nd.
> > > > >
> > > > > One last thing. Lately with the morning temperature
> > > > > in the mid 20's, I've noticed a high-pitched whine
> > > > > when going from first to second. This is if the car
> > > > > is driven with no warm-up idle time. Today, I let it
> > > > > warm up to about 160 degrees, and it doesn't make this
> > > > > noise driving down the street with warm up time. Is
> > > > > this anything to take note about, or is this just how
> > > > > the car behaves when driven from a dead cold start in
> > > > > 25 degrees?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeremiah
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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