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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Miniture lamps side marker
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
2. a/c pulley bearings bad design
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
3. Re: Door Openers
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
4. Re: a/c pulley bearings bad design
From: "at88mph" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. RE: Here's the air box picture!
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Wacky tach
From: sharksigns@xxxxxxxxx
7. Re: a/c pulley bearings bad design
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
8. I've found yet another biased Delorean review..
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
9. Whose Delorean is this??
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
10. my attitude about DeLorean (long)
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
11. Re: Whose Delorean is this??
From: BondAtomic@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 02:12:05 -0000
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Miniture lamps side marker
Group, Well I might as well go around the car. The side marker lamps
original from the factory are 12 volt 4 watt Thorn brand. Weird #'s
and a weird style name. I'm not familier with there style # they use
and it isn't in the catalog Sylvania/Osram. They are 12 volt and most
of the 12 volt bulbs have a 200 or 300 hour life rating. If you go to
the 14 volt bulb,G 31/2 style glass which is the small round glass.
Then #53 14.4 volt 0.12 amps 1000 hr life rating will work just fine
in all outer marker holders.
If you want the longer glass style which is T-31/4, Mini Bayonet,
then the 1816,1815,1891,1889,1893 or 1892. They will all fit and have
different hr's of life and different current draw. 1893 has the
highest current draw at 0.33 amps and 2500 hr's life rating.
Hope this help
John hervey
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 03:04:08 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: a/c pulley bearings bad design
I am complaining about the a/c pulley bearings on my DeLorean. I replaced
them about 7K miles ago, and the lower one went bad again! I'm very sure
that the cause of the problem is that it got cooked by the heat from the
muffler. My original bearings were bad on the car when I got it, and it had
around 8600 miles on it then. So what is the deal with these bearings? Are
we supposed to replace them sooner than every 10K miles? Or is there a
better heat shield available out there that is larger than the OEM that
protects this bearing? If no one makes it, then I'll have a local shop
custom make one.
Okay, I'm through venting now.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:10:40 -0000
From: DMCVegas@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Door Openers
Granted while I have a 3rd party set of door openers installed, I can
tell you so far what I've thought of mine, and both of the current
designs available from the vendors offering both products. Although I
will give a disclaimer that most of what I'm basing this off of (in
the way of their products/designs) comes from what I've seen posted
to the DML.
My car has 2-15 lb. solenoids installed to open the doors. After 20
years of dust, and lack of lubrication, they have a difficult time
opening. In fact, one isn't ever strong enough to open the drivers
door. Actuators from what I've seen online have a pulling power of up
to 35 lbs. These would be much more well suited to open the doors.
As for using existing wiring inside the doors, my only guess is that
the feed intended for the side mirror heaters will be used. Now my
car has a heavier gague wire installed for my solenoids, and it gets
pretty warm as it is when it comes to opening the doors. The existing
wires to be used are thinner. With the electrical problems my car has
had in the past (inertia switch, idle speed motor, door lights,
etc...), I don't fully trust these wires. It's nothing hereditary
about DeLorean's per se, it's just that I don't trust these wires in
my car. While you may not fish any wires with the other kit, you'll
still have to cut and splice everything in one way or another. Also,
on my car when you hit the button to pop the door open, the lights
flicker, and the wires get hot. So they look to be pulling a pretty
good load.
Running new wires for the door actuators shouldn't be a problem at
all. It just appears to be a little more labour intensive in as you
have to remove the headliners. And you have to fish the wires behind
the trim panels in the back, and the hollow pillar of the doors. Some
tape, a coat hanger, and a little patience, and you're all set.
Because of my existing set up, and the by personal choice from what
I've seen so far, I would have to go with the kit from Darryl
Tinnerstet. But before anyone makes a choice, a side by side
comparison is really whats nessisary. Looking by the size of the
wiring on the back of the actuators, you my be able to use that wire
that's already in the door. Thus you may not even need to install
additional wiring.
But make no mistake, niether kit appears to offer a simple plug and
play solution. In either case, you will still need to invest some
time and a good amount of work to get everything going on either kit.
Wiring aside, you still need to mount the openers, and attach them to
the bellcranks. And of course you'll need to lube the linkage. And an
added item, I wouldn't think of installing either kit without first
upgrading the central locking system. Wheather you upgrage the
locking module per Technical Library instructions, or you buy a Lock
Zilla it's up to you. If it's too late for one or both doors, plan on
buying a new lock solenoid(s). Plus don't forget to re-tourque your
doors, and (if nessisary) get new door struts for either system to
work properly.
Anywho, untill someone actually gets one of these two venders door
opening kits installed, or gets a hands-on comparison, nothing else
can really be said. Before we can make a truly educated decision, we
need to know all facts first. Pulling power, electrical load, weight,
installation times, etc... And even other features or the systems
themselves: alarms, engine kills, etc... Even then, I'd still like to
know what's included with the kits.
I'm not knocking any one competitor, or vendor. I'm just trying to
get a few more facts. And to keep things even sided for now.
-Robert
vin 6585
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, kayoong@xxxx wrote:
> Folks:
>
> I have seen both products. The two are VERY different in designs
and
> installation and in their operations. One is like prime steak, the
other is
> like chuck steak. One is plug and play, the other is you must work
to make
> it work...
<SNIP>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:51:34 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: a/c pulley bearings bad design
Walt,
I may get flamed for saying this, but you may be better off leaving the
pulley off and getting a shorter belt. I had the same problem and actually
once, the pulley just flew off the car! I replaced the pulley 3 times
before I decided to just leave it off. I just got a shorter belt to
compensate for the missing pulley and I never had any problems.
Hope this helps,
Duke
www.geocities.com/at88mph_1999
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> I am complaining about the a/c pulley bearings on my DeLorean. I replaced
> them about 7K miles ago, and the lower one went bad again!
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 07:16:02 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Here's the air box picture!
Could you post the complete address for your photo's
Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Putsch [mailto:putsch.1@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:24 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] Here's the air box picture!
Just remember that this is a prototype and the ones that you will get will
be much better looking. They are going to be in the range of 230-270 dollars
and are worth every penny.
Casey at putsch.1@xxxxxxx
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:24:04 -0000
From: sharksigns@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Wacky tach
Travis,
You might want to check for a loss of ground to your dash circuit
board. A similar problem happened to my car fairly soon in it's
life. The only solution that lasted was a ground wire installed from
the board to steering column.
Hope this helps.
Mark vin#2602
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxx> wrote:
> Here's one for the books...
>
> I was driving down the road and I noticed that each time I hit a
small bump,
> the tachometer would drop to 0 and the oil pressure guage would
drop to 0.
> Then, it would come back the next time I hit a bump. At one point,
both
> gauges spun around 360 degrees! I knew if the speedometer did that,
I would
> surely break the time/space barrier. From the looks of it, it's a
loose
> sensor somewhere. Anyone have an idea?
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 08:59:19 EDT
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: a/c pulley bearings bad design
Walt and Group, There is different bearings. I will find out monday, but the
ones we use in the alternators is what you want. They are black seal for
alternators and you know how long they last.
John
www.specialTauto.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:40:21 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: I've found yet another biased Delorean review..
***** Moderator's Note *****
Others have mentioned this book and it's rather
dim view of DeLoreans. Check the archives for
other titles that have DeLorean mentions.
*****
Last night i went out to the casino near my residence. Mohegan Sun,
Uncasville, CT. anyways, they recently added a whole new shopping
center to the place, including a nostalgia store ( No D rerlated
stuff ) and a Discovery Channel Store. While in the Discovery Channel
store i came across a book entitled "An Illustrated History of the
Automobile" by Graham Robson. The two pages of Delorean information
included in this book were terrible.
Graham Robson's review seemed like force-fed propaganda against JZD,
mentioning the cocaine "deal" as if Graham himself was Judge, Jury,
and Executioner. For those who absolutely have to collect everything
Delorean, here's another piece for you in case you missed it. As for
me, i highly UN-recommend this book. I'm curious to know though what
other literary works mention Delorean (besides the obvious) and what
everyone's thoughts are on them.
-Jeff
Norwich, CT
Striving for the Dream.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:11:01 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Whose Delorean is this??
Hi everyone, i came across this photo of a yellow Delorean a couple
years ago and have used it as my desktop wallpaper numerous times.
Well i just uploaded it to my server and linked it in the photos
section of the DML under "Miscellany". I was wondering if anyone can
provide more info about the car.
-Jeff
Norwich, CT
Striving for the Dream.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:22:22 EDT
From: Soma576@xxxxxxx
Subject: my attitude about DeLorean (long)
Hello All,
This last week i had the opportunity to check out the book "Hard Driving - My
Years With John DeLorean", written by William Haddad, a close executive of
JZD during the early years of pre-production and the first half of DMC,
Belfast. Previously, the only insight i had about DMC on a buisness level
was a few random websites with brief paragraphs and i also read DeLorean's
autobiography, which basically tells the ENTIRE story, more or less, from
JZD's perspective. by contrast, "Hard Driving" is the exact same story,
minus the results of John's drug bust (because the book was written before
the trials were over, and there's only a short page about his arrest), only
told by Haddad's point of view.
let's just say that i wonder if i were better off not reading "Hard Driving".
ignorance really is bliss! The entire book tends to paint a positive view
of DeLorean the COMPANY, while painting a negative view of DeLorean the MAN.
keep in mind that Haddad fully convinced me in the book that he didn't write
the book to tear down JZD or anything he did, he just tells the facts as he
knew them, and voices his inner suspicions and fears.
Simply, i was appalled by most of the book. Haddad describes JZD early in
his GM years (he has known JZD since he was chief engineer of Pontiac) as
brilliant, outspoken, driven, yet as always, controversial. In the beginning
years of DMC he describes John as almost manical in his procedures to gain
financial backing for DMC. In the middle and late years of DMC (81-82) he
describes John as being nearly insane about his control over the company,
resorting to wiretaps, moles in his own buisness and in the British
government, using theft (he once ordered Dick Brown and some other armed men
to break into the Bridgewater, NJ QAC center to steal 15 cars which were
owned by Bank of America. the cars in the QAC were collateral on a loan they
gave DMC, and when DMC missed a payment [when times got tough, JZD just
stopped paying his bills and focused on selling the cars no matter what],
Bank of America took over ownership of the unsold cars. during the night,
the men broke into the QAC and took the cars to JZD's Bedminster Estate.
Haddad was never able to find out what became of the cars). He describes
JZD's public statements about the 'ethical car company' as being nothing more
than a fascade for DMC to sell more cars to a naive public. in reality,
Haddad claims that DMC became everything that JZD had denounced in GM in his
book "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors". John did not care about
the quality of his car. he decided not to re-engineer the faulty suspension
system during the pre-production because they were already behind schedule.
this later resulted in at least two recalls on the car in 1981 - probably
even more expensive to do that than it would have been to fix it before it
happened. as far as emissions and EPA regulations - DMC manipulated the
system and falsified their reports in order to pass it. again, he didn't
spend the time or the money or get it resolved. There were a hundred other
examples i could describe, but it would be best for you all to read the book
yourselves. perhaps the worst part of the whole thing was at the end when
Roy Nesseth was sent to confront Haddad about his severence package. Haddad
wanted his lawyer to read the contract first, but Roy wouldn't let him. he
wanted an immediate signature. When Haddad refused, Roy threatened that his
children would be in danger if he didn't sign the papers. interesting.
that's exactly what DeLorean was told by a federal 'agent' when JZD didn't
want to sign the papers for the Columbian cocaine deal....... Haddad never
did sign the papers.
Now make no mistake - i love my DeLorean car and it has pretty much taken
over my entire life. it is my main hobby now for the last year since i've
owned it, and i am proud to drive it. there isn't a single time when i sit
in the seat and think, 'man, this is the best car i have ever driven!'.
that feeling is further reaffirmed by the car shows that i attend, the stares
and the cheers as i drive through the city, and every time i work on it and
accomplish something. it's history really doesn't affect my love for the
car. what's really special is that the car actually HAPPENED.
also, two very interesting things were revealed in the book:
1. remember last year when someone was talking about the possibility of a
DeLorean factory in Logan, Utah? how a bunch of locals in the area said they
remember seeing a stockpile of cars at a buisness just outside the area?
well this story is revealed and explained in its entirity. we all know about
the mysterious $17M that 'disappeared' from DeLorean accounting ledgers.
well it turns out that JZD used some of this money to buy land in or around
Logan, Utah for corporate expansion. his idea was to build SNOWPLOWS
(remember the DMC snowplow brochure that was sold on ebay quite a while ago?)
at this location, but he kept it secret because on the terms of his grants
and loans from the UK, he was forbidden to spend any of the money on anything
not directly involved with the release of the DMC-12. with all of the car
diversions and cover-ups, i wonder if DeLorean wasn't storing any unsold cars
here, or perhaps there were some prototypes or VIN 00000-00499? very
interesting!
2. this will come to be most appreciated by DanRC30 (i hope you are reading
this!!). maybe you already know the story behind your car. but i know on
the DMCNEWS page you said that your car was painted the colors for Smokey
Yunick? well check this out - on page 142:
"... we were to meet with Bunkie Knudsen and Smokey Yunick, a
brilliant inventor who was working on a new engine that saved fuel by
recycling its own heat. Bunkie and John had formed an engine partnership
with Smokey. We were going to ride in a car fitted with the new experimental
engine."
Then on page 144:
"Driving with Bunkie to Smokey Yunick's, i felt like it was old times again.
John was open and friendly. When we huddled around Smokey's new engine, he
became the brilliant engineer talking about a historic breakthrough that we
would use in our car. Smokey had also worked out a simple solution to a
nagging clutch problem that our engineers and consultants had not been able
to solve. For a moment i thought it could still be fun to work for DeLorean.
This was the ambience that had attracted me to the company in the first
place".
somewhere else in the book it mentions that JZD was planning on using the new
engine in one of his own cars, possibly a future model year of the DMC-12. i
can't find that reference now though.
Anyway, i just wanted to share this book with the newsgroup. now i'm not
really sure who to believe. was DeLorean a man with a dream who would stop
at nothing, no matter what the cost, who he hurt, what money he spent that he
didn't have, no matter what contracts he reworded to fit his agenda, NO
MATTER WHAT THE COST, to see that his dream live? or was he the victim of
jealous executives, a victim of two governements, a victim or the media, and
a victim of a set-up?
"Hard Driving" and "DeLorean" paint the picture with two very different kinds
of paint.
which one do you believe?
Andy
Soma576@xxxxxxx
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:58:21 EDT
From: BondAtomic@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Whose Delorean is this??
I have always loved DeLoreans, and the color yellow. I want this car. I love
originality on DeLoreans, and sometimes paint on them looks really really
good. Every car painted that I have seen has been awesome, like the red,
black, maroon, and dark green-but I haven't seen yellow, and I think it's
awesome.
Thanks!
John
VIN 4275
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