dmcnews-digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 456
In this issue:
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
DML: RE: originality
DML: Parts.
DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
DML: Re: Trailing Arm Bolt Query
DML: re: Trailing Arm Inspection
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
DML: Re: Originality
Re: DML: originality
Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
DML: Cd
Re: DML: Re: BAE turbo (long)
Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
DML: "D" for sale
DML: Ironic
DML: Which list was getting slammed? DML or cross-reference?
DML: hood
Re: DML: Re: BAE turbo (long)
[none]
DML: Ful Pump Inop.
Re: DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
DML: Turbo DMC
DML: Re: hood
DML: Turbo Automatic?
Re: DML: Re: Originality
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
Re: DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
DML: Lockzilla &door openers
Re: DML: Turbo DMC
DML: Re: Ful Pump Inop.
DML: Re: Turbo DMC
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:11:15 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
In response to keeping your Delorean original,I remember back in the early
1970s, I was hooked on Pontiac GTO's (another creation of John
Delorean),I
had a few 1966
Gto's,and I modified two of them including a convertable(rare)which in
retrospect
today are worth five to six times their original new selling price if kept
stock.
Claude
Vin#00570
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:29:11 -0800
From: Nathan Gess <delorean12@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean to be given away at Pius Xl Auction
What is the web-site for this raffle? I know it was in the original
message but I accidently deleted it and it hasn't hit the back issue
atchives yet. Thanks in advance.
Nathan Gess
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7770
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:21:18 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Ad8302@xxxxxxx wrote:
> ....I recently added the BAE turbo charger to my car and all I can say is
> WOW.
Where did you get the BAE turbo? I had heard on the list that the BAE
setup was no longer available. It is supposedly cheaper and easier to
install than the Island turbos, but less common and much less similar to
the original Legend design.
> pushes 9 pds of boost, I however have mine backed off to about 4 pds. I
> have been told you should never run the turbo past 7 pds. The whole kit
That's true, but does anyone know really why this is? (Actually, I've
heard about 6 pounds is a safer bet except at high altitudes).
Adjustments to the fuel injection system ought to prevent detonation at
just about any reasonable boost pressure. Which component is it that
fails at higher boost?
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:41:44 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
This is not a challenge - - simply a comment.
Most of us turbo'd owners, whether single or twin, run between 5 1/2 and 7
1/2 pounds of boost. (I have twins running 6 1/2 lbs.) With that we can
be relatively competitve with cars of the same vintage. To drag from the
stoplight against modern cars with big engines, however, is another story.
To do so with only 4 pounds of boost seems very surprising. Even "at
speed", given similar gearing and weight, our 185-200 HP usually can't
beat
V-8 powered "Pony" cars.
Having said that, we DO give them a run for their money and our cars are a
H___ of a lot more fun to drive!!
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:59:44 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
I hear you, James, and I don't disagree.
BUT, what makes for an unmodified DeLorean?? May your car have a
Fanzilla?
How about braided stainless steel brake lines?? Do you have any of the
"upgrades" for the fuses that were not manufactured by the factory? The
minute you do any of these things to your car you no longer have a "stock"
DMC. So - where do you draw the line?
I personally would prefer not to see body modifications - - but, what
about
the stainless steel letters on the bumper? - does that really detract from
the originality of the car?. I would prefer that the interior not be
altered - but I would never drive my car without sheepskin seat covers
even
though the car didn't come that way. But, unless one is into concours (if
one is, so be it) or unless one is really looking into their D ownership
as an investment (I suspect that even government bonds would do better)
the
addition of aftermarket products that make the DeLorean a more reliable,
affordable and fun car to drive for it's owner should not, in my opinion,
be looked upon as modifications.
As for the email from the "unidentified" individual -- get a life!!!! As
a
16+ year owner of two DeLoreans I believe that nothing has done more for
the marque than the DML.
Though we don't always agree, James, I offer my sincere THANKS for
creating
and maintaining the DML.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:05:21 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: originality
I am personally one to maintain originallity of a classic car, but since =
mine was cusomized when I bought it, well, to hell with originality. I'm =
gonna improve this baby. It was modified when it was new at the dealer =
(supposedly), so, no turning back now. I'm loving my car and I'm gonna =
enjoy it forever. And that's my 2 cents! (oops, two cents... that's =
about all I have left after buying all of the parts to fix up my D. Now =
I'm broke.) LOL!!! ---Dan
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From: Blade Runner[SMTP:stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:43 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: originality
This may be an old point, I really can't remember. I was wondering how =
=3D
many owners are still out there trying to keep their "D" in original =3D
shape. I have been reading a lot lately from owners trying to increase =
(SNIP)
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:45:01 -0700
From: "Stephen Jaeger" <sjaeger01@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Parts.
Considering the cost of parts for my other vehicles, you won't hear me
complaining about the cost of parts for my Delorean.
Some recent examples:
Oxygen sensor for '87 Honda $130.00
Radiator fan for '93 Voyager $350.00
(and they made zillions of these vehicles)
I'm really thinking about making my Delorean my daily driver!
Steve
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:05:34 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
Michael,
Thanks for the info. There are several crossover lists floating around and
we will do our best to dump the Purolater off the lists.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:22:23 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Trailing Arm Bolt Query
Murry,
We do trailing arm bolt inspections in about 15 minuets including removing
the deflection plates. Once an adjustment is completed it usually does not
have to be repeated for the life of the car. The inside scoop is that many
of the cars left the factory with these very important fasteners
incorrectly torqued. Any fastener on any car that causes a catastrophic
loss of control will obviously lead to great concern. In 14 years of
research and servicing these great cars, not to mention my own DeLorean
with over 260,000 miles of hard driving, I only know of four incidents
where a trailing arm bolt has let go while the car was at speed. By the
way, it happened to me while picking up a car for servicing.
In conclusion, get your bolts checked out and retorqued or replaced (see
Lee Iseilers post from earlier today) if necessary than forget about it
than refocus you thoughts knowing that everyone who sees you driving by in
your stainless steel wonder wishes they were in the drivers seat.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 22:45:47 -0600
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Trailing Arm Inspection
Richard Lew <2evm@xxxxxxxxx>Wrote
>Also the metal panels that are just under the trailing arm bolt, do I
>really need them? The nuts and bolts are pretty rusted and I may have
>to cut them out to get access to the trailing arm bolts. What is their
>purpose??
I thought this was more obvious but I keep seeing it posted - the three
screws that stick down and hold the trailing arm shields are accessible
from above so if they are rusted go ahead and grind or break them off. In
the original design they are studs protruding from a metal strip, I
believe Grady sells a stainless replacement for this. In a pinch you can
easily just use 8mm hex screws and nyloc nuts, just drop the screws in
from above with some large washers and some silicone sealant on them. For
best results (so you can take them off again) use stainless hardware and
anti-sieze compound. "Above" happens to be under the battery on the
passenger side, and under a removable piece of carpeting inside the
locking compartment on the passenger side. You either need long arms or
two people to hold the screws and tighten the nuts. The only real
annoyance on this is the need to remove the battery, but you don't really
need to do this every day.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:31:12 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, James Espey wrote:
> This subject has become one of the "holy wars" collector car community,
> and I fall on the originality side of the fence.
To me it depends on what you want to do with the car. If the car is your
daily driver, or if you don't care about the value, then you may as well
do whatever you want with it. If you are really a collector, then you're
going to want to keep it stock. The DeLorean attracts a wide variety of
enthusiasts - some who appreciate the history, some who appreciate the
styling, some who like the ideas that founded the company.
As for me personally, I tend to appreciate the modifications which keep
the car "stockish" and which are not gaudy. Spoilers, ground effects,
major stereo upgrades, paint, and so on, are all on my "no-no" list
because they do not fit with the original design of the car.
Third brake lights, performance upgrades, lowering (to return the car to
the original design), automatic doors, and especially any mechanical
improvements like fanzilla etc. are different (to me). They are all
things that probably would have occurred if the car had stayed in
production, or are things that 'fit' the car, and I tend to appreciate
them much more.
But I'm not going to tell the people that like the modifications that I
don't, that they are 'wrong' somehow. It's their car, and they should do
whatever gets them the most enjoyment out of it. DeLoreans aren't as rare
as all that that keeping them stock should be the primary purpose in
owning one.
> >His "list" is the single most negative factor our marque has ever
> experienced. It is really trashing the value of our cars. Why on earth
> would we want to direct anyone to it?
Do you suppose he might have meant that the list directly reduces the
selling price of the cars? I've found that cars advertised on the list
tend to be advertised at much lower prices than ones sold in the newspaper
or by dealers. Does this reflect a more realistic expectation of the
actual selling price? Does it reflect a greater realization on the part
of the buyer that the cars are available and that the buyer does not
'have' to take the first one he sees? Maybe they even mean that by
helping more owners maintain their cars, the value of the ones in good
condition owned by "privileged" owners is reduced? I dunno. I think that
any medium which promotes information exchange is inherently good.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:30:51 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: PUROLATER FUEL FILTER DOES NOT WORK
> In addition I would like to ask the publisher of the DELOREAN
>CROSS REFERENCE LIST to remove the PUROLATER FUEL FILTER from you listing.
I'm sorry to hear the filter was the culprit.. what a headache!
I wouldn't hate the x-ref list though, I'd just be more careful in the
future. I don't think anyone on the list would mind a quick question
confirming the functionality of a x-ref part. I know many have commented
on
the ineffectiveness of x-ref struts, and other misc. items.
I recently replaced my fuel filter with a NAPA Gold filter, and it works
great! It cost $20, which is about the same price as DMC-Houston's
filter... Had I been ordering something from them, I'd have 'em throw one
in, rather than buy the NAPA filter. But is it really worth a special
order
when you can run down to just about any auto parts store? I doubt they
are
going to profit from someone ordering one measly filter. It may be a nice
gesture, but I don't think it would be considered "support".
Stay informed and communicate! With my budget, I wouldn't be able to keep
my car running without all of you!
- - Dave
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:36:20 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
With all this talk of turbos, I was just wondering if anyone out there has
found a supercharger that mates to the PRV? I'm not as interested in
top-end as much as low-end, and superchargers work on low end, right?
Thanks!
- - Dave
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:08:15 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Originality
Well, my car is fairly customized so I felt I had to make a few
remarks....
All DeLoreans are pretty darned cool. Some have customizations that make
them unique, some have little or nothing done to them which makes them
equally unique. For cars that look almost identical, each one seems to be
different from the next.
There is a giant amount of merit that goes along with keeping a car
original, but that's not for everyone... Frankly it would make me go
crazy... The first couple months I had my D I just freaked out over little
scuffs on the stainless, and couldn't ever blend them out to be "perfect".
Eventually I just had to relax and not worry about it.
I love customizing my D, and improving it's looks/functionality. There
isn't very much I don't like about our cars, mostly just the parts that
look
dated; tail lights, headlights, gauge cluster, A/C panel, radio,
auto-tranny
shift knob/plate, and the louvers. I am planning on replacing all of
these
things with more modern-looking parts (and hopefully improve
performance/reliability while I'm at it!). Am I hurting the value of my
car? Not if I keep the old parts and they can be easily swapped with the
new ones. It's not possible for something that can be removed without a
trace to hurt the value. If it were I'd be hurting the value of my car by
sitting in it!
Bottom line: Have fun with your cars! (Whatever your idea of fun is)
Here's a final thought: If you replace stock items with new ones, your
stock
items will stay "like new"!
- - Dave
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:45:07 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: originality
Have it checked out... If it is a real legend, then it is worth quite a
few bucks!
>From what I understand, there was more than one version of the Legend
Turbo design.
Can you describe what your setup is? Have any pictures?
Adam Michael wrote:
> factory. We are still debating whether or not to remove the turbos
> because our "D" is supposedly an original Legend Turbo car. I'm not sure
> if this is true or not because I don't know the whole story on the
> turbos, but even if it isn't original with the turbos, we are planning
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:22:50 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Originality, and the DML's effect on DeLorean values
OK... When I read this, I thought the "list" was the cross reference
list for replacement parts...
The last 2 messages on this thread assumed the "list" is the DML.
Can we get clarification on this??
> His "list" is the single most negative factor our marque has ever
> experienced. It is really trashing the value of our cars. Why on earth
> would we want to direct anyone to it?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:50:32 +0100
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Cd
Hi, Just a brief q...
Does anyone know what kind of Cd value the D has?
Thanks,
Matt
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:55:29 EST
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: BAE turbo (long)
In a message dated 12/18/98 12:45:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx writes:
<< How much did the kit cost?
Where did you buy it?
Did you install it yourself?
How long did it take? >>
OK I found the Bae turbo kit from a guy who was selling it. I was
talking to
a friend who had a friend.......
The kit was really pretty easy to install....It was complete and included
the
9 pds turbo and muffler with waste gate and plugs as well as oil lines and
drain lines. It took me about a week of work on and off. It is a single
stage
turbo but from what I am told the performance of the twin is really no
different from this one. BAE made the kit but as I have been told they
are no
longer in business. The only hard parts of the installation where that I
had
to drill a hole in the oil pan for the oil drain on the turbo. And I had
to
recalibrate the distributor. The rest of the kit was completely bolt on. I
have been told that people are still selling the kits but you have to
really
look for them. This one was a very low mileage kit all chrome for 2000
bucks.
The turbo is the way to go. I was dumbfounded by the power that little
blower
put out. The car no runs like it should...and I didn't have to fool with
an
engine swap.
Now for those interested.....
The car now has a lower exhaust tone (due to the high flow muffler that
came
with the kit) the cat is now gone. The engine performs the same in "no
boost"
However this is were it gets fun.....When the car is "in boost" it makes a
high pitch whine or whistle and the car puts you in your seat literally.
The
car will make incredible power while "in boost" and pulls strong until red
line.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:57:03 EST
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: BAE turbo (was: Engine name and specs)
In a message dated 12/18/98 12:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
raddad@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< To do so with only 4 pounds of boost seems very surprising. Even "at
speed", given similar gearing and weight, our 185-200 HP usually can't
beat V-8 powered "Pony" cars. >>
no no at the time I was pushing 7 pds I have now backed off to 4 pounds.
My
playing with the other cars is over....I just wanted to see what the turbo
would do.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:32:52 PST
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: "D" for sale
this delorean is in perfect condition!! this happens to be the first
delorean i ever got to ride in. a friend of mine is selling it. stored
and
well maintand for all of its life it has 4,500 miles on it. still smells
new inside the car. leather is perfect, headliners are perfect:)
mechanicly
GREAT! its an '82 5speed. this is by far the best delorean i've seen in
my life. he's selling it for $18,000. e-mail me if you would like his
number. the car is located in Holland Michigan
Erik Geerdink
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:15:34 -0600
From: "Stutts, Virgil" <Virgil.Stutts@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Ironic
About this whole ordeal of originality. Calm down! I'm mean even
Doc in "Back To The Future" kept upgrading the car. Personally I think it
is extremely ironic that people are try their darndest to keep a car that
was made to be futuristic, completely outdated. The D was made to have
fun
with. Don't get me wrong, I think the DeLorean has always been in a class
of it's own but we can't be clowning someone for experimenting new things
on
their DeLorean. I admit I'm not speaking from experience because I don't
own a D (yet!) even though it's been my dream car ever since I could
remember but personally I would buy a D for only one reason: So that I
could have the experience of turning my exact dream car into a hotrod like
so many have already done! So I'll go ahead and end on this note, If you
have a DeLorean, live a little! She's already great but see how much fun
you can have with her.
P.S.: (And for goodness sake, stop worrying about the resale value.
"Money
ain't a thang")
I hope I haven't offended anyone because that was not my intent.
Your fellow idealist
Virgil Stutts
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98 12:51:00 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Which list was getting slammed? DML or cross-reference?
On 12/18/98 2:37 PM, Marc Levy shared these fine thoughts...
>OK... When I read this, I thought the "list" was the cross reference
>list for replacement parts...
>
>The last 2 messages on this thread assumed the "list" is the DML.
>
>Can we get clarification on this??
>
>
>>His "list" is the single most negative factor our marque has ever
>>experienced. It is really trashing the value of our cars. Why on earth
>>would we want to direct anyone to it?
Yes Mark, the "list" being referred to is the "DeLorean Mailing List". My
apologies if there was any confusion.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:49:35 -0700
From: bhs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: hood
Hello all !
I' m Dave Stosich new to the Delorean world. I just Purchased an 81
and
I love it. I have read many of the archives and have not been able to
find
any hoods ( no gas flap but has two lines ) Does any one have one
they could sell ? Thanks for any help you can give
Dave
bhs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:05:35 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: BAE turbo (long)
Lets see what you think a few months from now... After you get used to
the new performance, is starts to SEEM slow again... and you want MORE!!
I have the Island Twin, and I want MORE POWER!
A set of 24V heads may do the trick!
Ad8302@xxxxxxx wrote:
<SNIP>
> put out. The car no runs like it should...and I didn't have to fool with
> an engine swap.
> Now for those interested.....
> The car now has a lower exhaust tone (due to the high flow muffler that
> came
> with the kit) the cat is now gone. The engine performs the same in "no
> boost"
> However this is were it gets fun.....When the car is "in boost" it makes a
> high pitch whine or whistle and the car puts you in your seat literally.
> The
> car will make incredible power while "in boost" and pulls strong until red
> line.
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:27:41 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: DML: Another Weird Electrical thing..
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This is a thread back from early November... and it is still a "issue"
Does anyone else have this problem?? Next time you are in your car, put
the AC or VENT on with the fan speed at 4 (highest). Put your foot on
the brake, and turn the car off. Does the vent stay on till you take
your foot off the brake?
I am trying to see if there is a correlation between a fuel pump problem
I am having. When I turn the key on, and DONT start the engine, the
fuel pump does not come on. My fuel pump relay module (with timer) was
replaced a few months back, and last weekend it was swapped again, and
still does not work. Otherwise, everything runs fine. It has not seemed
to effect how the car runs.
I Really need a Wiring diagram!
Travis Graham wrote:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Just wanted to let you know that this happens on my car also. It is
> somewhat comforting to know that someone else has this "feature" :)
>
> Travis Graham
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:19:17 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Ful Pump Inop.
Hello
My DeLorean Fuel Pump quit humming when I turn the car over. It is about
2 years old Bosch Fuel Pump from a DMC supplier. Does anyuone have a test
to see how I can check for the pumps operation. I tried the RPM Relay
bypass and still no go
Thank You
Mike
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:42:28 +1100
From: Matthew and Anna Faith <mafaith@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
Dave,
Here in Australia we have a Spingtex supercharger. It is an under bonnet
blower so it should fit. I believe they are in Western Australia (I'm in
Sydney). When I get my D I am going to investigate the possibility of
installing one to mine.
Good Luck
Matty
At 12:36 AM 12/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>With all this talk of turbos, I was just wondering if anyone out there has
>found a supercharger that mates to the PRV? I'm not as interested in
>top-end as much as low-end, and superchargers work on low end, right?
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Dave
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:16:00 EST
From: JCox4001@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Turbo DMC
I have an 81 DMC-12, VIN#5705, that had a BAE Single Turbo installed at
some
point in its life. I found the car in Kissimmee while on a business trip.
There were actually two on the lot, (Sunshine Classics). The other, was
stock. The difference in power in the two was similar to the difference
between an 88 Prelude S, and the 88 PreludeSi. They both got the job
done,
but the Turbo was a Rush, (no pun intended). It was also $2,000 more
expensive, but being able to test drive them side by side, which was a
pleasure in and of itself, there was no question as to which one I was
going
to buy. I have never regretted it, except, boy, are these high
maintainence
vehicles. Maybe someone can answer this, but how does the car know when
you
finish a major project on it. It must know, because each time I finish
something, the next thing goes!!!
Jeff Cox
Memphis, TN
IN2TIME
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:34:53 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: hood
Dave,
We might be able to help you, are you saying you have a hood with a gas
door ?
Let us know.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:25:29 -0500
From: "yugoman" <mdrig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Turbo Automatic?
I was curious, in case I ever wanted to turbo my D, does this system work
well with an automatic, or should it just be 5-speed cars?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:40:19 EST
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Originality
I think I'll add one more comment to this thread and leave it alone
but At the Car show in Cincinnati we had some of the most radically
modified
DeLoreans many of us have ever seen.
The one that comes to mind is Curtis's car. It was really a work of art
in
some peoples minds in others it was butchery. I must say it was
impressive.
Never thought a deLorean could be modified soo much.
I Like mine standard but curiosity will always welcome the unusual and
different and I enjoyed seeing these cars
My point and question
Has anyone seen a DeLorean modified more than that one?????
Please don't include the monster truck version in Texas
had fun with this thread
ken
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:02:18 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
At 08:48 PM 12/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Lee,
>That sounds reasonable but the DeLorean has virtually no "off the shelf"
>performance upgrades. Actually for the DeLorean PRV the easiest least
>expensive speed upgrade is to turbocharge. I can tell you from experience
>that a turbo makes a significant difference in acceleration. The turbo
>units are bolt on and allow the reliable PRV workhorse to become a
>competitive counterpart to Corvettes, Porches, and the like.
>
reply:
It is reasonable, on top of which there are many things that can be done
to
any engine including the PRV to get more power. That's why I say go to a
speed shop.
Years ago I wanted to build an air boat, so I found a corvair engine and
took it to a speed shop, by the time we got done it was a wonderful
monster, Loud, lots of power and beautiful.
I won't detail all the things we did but like the PRV there was little
outside of carbs, headers, porting, sodium calves,cams and a new oil pan
that could be done. Most engines are anything but spec! just
"blue-printing" the PRV engine will add 10 to 20% HP with out a doubt.
Look I know this is s popular thread but the truth is that it is only a
matter on money and personal choice, not technology. There is no limit to
the amount of power and goodies you could infuse into the DeLorean, mostly
what I see hear is daydreaming by owners who just don't want or have the
means to do what they want. If an owner wanted he/she could jam 3K-HP into
a DeLorean, and the speed limit would still 55MPH.
I love the various ideas I see here on the DML which all spell out the
same
message, DeLoreans are so cool!
Lee
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 06:21:38 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Superchargers for the PRV6 (was re: Turbos)
At 12:36 AM 12/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>With all this talk of turbos, I was just wondering if anyone out there has
>found a supercharger that mates to the PRV? I'm not as interested in
>top-end as much as low-end, and superchargers work on low end, right?
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Dave
>
reply:
Hi Dave:
I am sure others will have comments and modifications to this post but
for
what it's worth:
Fundamentally, a supercharger is nothing more than a great, big air pump.
Its job is to overcome that major deficiency common to all high-revving,
4-stroking racing engines: lack of lung power on the top end. When those
puppies are whistling at 5-6 grand, things inside are happening so fast
that there just isn't enough time to draw in the proper mixture. But just
add a blower and you'd better stand back because that thing will huff
and
puff and blow the fuel in.
Unlike fuel injection, blowers come in all sorts of sizes, shapes and
styles. The fact that superchargers fit into that famed old theme
"different strokes for different folks" is what has made the fascinating
art of "forced air induction". As for types, there are four basic types .
. . Axial Flow, Centrifugal, Roots, and Vane.
GMC Roots, Jimmy Blower, bi-symmetrical positive-displacement,
Vane blower, Axial Flow, Centrifugal Judson, are the most popular.
These all come in Kit form (box fill of parts and require machine shop
work
and much more.
The first step is Blue printing and upgrading the basic engine. After
which
the selection of the type and make of blower is done, this is followed by
the work it's self.
As I have said before it's first a matter of desire, then a matter of
money
and common sense.
It should be remember that any of this means more cost in fuel and more
and
better malignance. POWER cost money and means wear and tear, even when
used
in moderation.
The reality is that there is no practical reason why a DeLorean owner
can't
have a Tight hard driving 1340HP VRP to 3000HP Turbo shaft monster, all
- -packed into a very stock looking DeLorean......
Let your dreams be your guide!
If your reach is farther than you grasp what's a world for>?
Lee
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:32:36 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lockzilla &door openers
Hi everyone:
I've got a Lockzilla (installed and uninstalled, but never used) for
sale and also an auto-door opener kit (which was talked about on this
list a couple months ago). Still got some BTTF Delorean model kits for
$45. E-mail me privately if anyone has an interest and I'll get right
back to you on options and prices. Thanks. De Miller, Kansas City. VIN
3427 Lic. OUTATYM
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:00:52 EST
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Turbo DMC
Jeff,
You quoted "are these high maintenance". Are you referring to the turbos
or
the car itself?
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:25:26 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Ful Pump Inop.
>My DeLorean Fuel Pump quit humming when I turn the car over. It is about
>2 years old Bosch Fuel Pump from a DMC supplier. Does anyuone have a test
>to see how I can check for the pumps operation. I tried the RPM Relay
>bypass and still no go
>
>Thank You
>Mike
Mike,
I don't know what test you performed on the rpm relay but if you remove
the
relay ( unplug it ) and put a jumper between connections # 87 and # 30
they're marked on the relay itself ) the pump should run continuously.
Also
check fuses #'s 1 and 7. Don't perfom any electrical tests near the fuel
tank, you certainly don't want any sparks but if you remove the pump and
connect the leads of a 12 volt battery charger of about 6amps, the pump
should start. Just bump the pump, don't let it run dry continuesly. If all
this fails I'd say the pump is dead.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:29:29 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Turbo DMC
Jeff,
Yes, the DeLorean can be a high maintenance vehicle if you piece meal the
known upgrades and improvements. When we are asked to prep a DeLorean for
sale we do as many upgrades as possible, most of the cars we sell do not
need servicing for several years after they leave our shop. We are so
confident about the reliability and integrity of the car that we even
offer
an optional warrantee. Here is what we think is great about these cars. We
very rarely say to anyone, "we've never heard of that happening before".
These cars are very, very predictable. Making known upgrades, and good
preventive maintenance will make your DeLorean reliable, trustworthy, and
Fun!, Fun!, Fun!.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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