dmcnews-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 452
In this issue:
DML: Re: Could have been killed
DML: DE LOREAN MIDATLANTIC ANNUAL HOLIDAY SOCIAL
Re: DML: Re: DeLorean on News!
DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
DML: Hylomar Sealer
Re: DML: Could have been killed
DML: Fuel Distributor
DML: Starting it up...
Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
Re: DML: Probably a silly question...
DML: Re: clutch slippage
DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
DML: Re: DeLorean Services House Calls
Re: DML: Re: clutch slippage
Re: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
DML: Delorean models for sale
DML: The Next generation
DML: A humble request...
Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
DML: REGIONAL CONVENTION -- 1999
Re: DML: Re: clutch slippage
DML: Re: A humble request...
Re: DML: A humble request...
DML: New place to advertise your Delorean site
DML: Today's glitch: door jam
DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam / safety issue
DML: Engine name and specs
DML: front facia repair
Re: DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam / safety issue
DML: Re: Engine name and specs
DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam
Re: DML: Engine name and specs
DML: QUOTE
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:29:44 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Could have been killed
>The car jack that came with the DeLorean snapped in half while I was
>coming out from underneath yesterday. Look at the condition of the Jack
>in the Bonnett, mine looked perfectt, but you never know. I'm so thankful
>that the telephone rang..
I'd never trust any jack. You MUST block the car up in some manner before
crawling underneath. Raddad and I lost a good DeLorean pal a couple of
years
ago because he was a bit careless in trusting his jack.
Bruce Benson
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:50:32 -0500
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: DE LOREAN MIDATLANTIC ANNUAL HOLIDAY SOCIAL
December 12, 1998, Saturday, 5 - 9 PM
Annual Holiday Social
Savas Restaurant
1547 Spring Garden Street
Philadelphia Pennsylvania
Reservations Required: 215-849-5160
Members: Free Enthusiast: $15 per person.
All are welcome.
We will be electing officers and planning our 1999 schedule of
events.
Bring your ideas. Volunteer to be our Activities Director.
:+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+)
:+)
Membership in De Lorean Midatlantic is open to all owners and
enthusiasts. Benefits include this exciting social schedule, annual
complimentary door adjustment social in the spring, membership
directory, **** Parts Interchange List **** updated annually with
lots
of stuff from DML, club newsletter two/three times a year.
Send a check for $12 made out to De Lorean Owners to: Dick Lash, De
Lorean Midatlantic Treasurer, 409 Lark Drive, Newark, DE 19713.
HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!!!!!!
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:55:23 EST
From: Jethead86@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DeLorean on News!
i think they could do one on the history of jzd and how he came up with
the
idea of the delorean
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:24:27 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
Actually someone has; The DeLorean Motor Company is now doing business out
of Houston TX. They sell and service DeLorean's, own the main warehouse
for
worldwide distribution, and even own the rights to the logo's. Although
not
manufacturing new cars technically the DeLorean Motor Company is still in
business. If anyone in the world could start manufacturing new DeLoreans
they would be the ones, all they would need is lots of $$$$$$$$$.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 98 20:53:05 -0600
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hylomar Sealer
I posted a few days ago wondering where to get Hylamar (sic) actually
Hylomar. This is the stuff used to re-seal the halves of the transmission
case where there is no gasket used. Thanks to advice from one of the list
members, I went to my local Jaguar/Alfa Romeo dealer and voila - Jaguar
part number JLM-9709 at a whopping $8.70 per tube. The main benefit of
this sealer is that it is non-hardening polyurethane base and does not
change composition in constant contact with gasoline or oil.
For more information on what makes this stuff so special (!) , go to
www.igscorp.com/hylomar.htm
Once again the DML comes through!! Thanks Greg.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:30:27 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Could have been killed
TO ALL,
DeLorean "old timers", like myself, are very aware that many new DeLorean
enthusiasts may not have a lot of experience working on cars. PLEASE
re-read Richard's post below about jack safety.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
- ----------
> From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219@xxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Could have been killed
> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 11:20 AM
>
> Michael,
>
> You are in fact a very lucky person. The one thing that you
> should have learned from this is that you should NEVER use
> the car jack alone when you are doing anything other than
> changing a tire. ALWAYS use jack stands if you are going to
> be under the vehicle!
>
> Glad you'r still here.
>
> Richard
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:50:01 -0500
From: "David Levey" <jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fuel Distributor
Does anyone have a used or refurbished fuel distributor for a D for
sale? In consultation with our local techgod Joe, we have come to the
conclusion here in Cleveland that my D might be in need of a
distributor, so if you have such a part for sale, please let me know
directly.
Thank you,
David Levey
Jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:35:03 -0500
From: "." <jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Starting it up...
Someone mentioned Bill Ford, the new CEO of Ford. He might have a =
division, much like Chrysler did, dealing with unusual, experimental, =
short run vehicles. There seems to be a trend of large companies =
picking up small exotic producers of vehicles (for lots of reasons). =
But why not a rust proof, gull winged sportscar in the vision of DMC =
from the likes of Ford? =20
Right now the auto industry is consolidating, but with new technologies, =
it may be that new companies emerge in the transportation industry. =
All aspects of the business suggest that this may be the case- the =
emergence of new entrepreneurial auto companies run in cycles and many =
of the electronic and electrical components in the cars for the first =
half of the 21st century will be outsourced and standardized, and the =
methods of distribution and sale are changing (see the new Saturn =
commercials?). The big three (I mean two) are more and more marketers =
and final assemblers of components and parts produced and even designed =
by others. =20
It is certain that John D and his engineers got inspiration from those =
cars and designers that came before them, and the D being so unique will =
certainly inspire the next generation of car makers and designers (you =
know, all the 16 year olds that participate in this forum that don't own =
a D but think that BTF is the greatest creation of mankind- except for ="">
the D, of course...) .
David Levey
Cleveland, Ohio
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:37:31 EST
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
Hey List,
I just wanted to say that a while back when I was fixing the starter on
my
delorean, I had placed 2 cinder blocks one on top of each other under the
passenger back tire so I could reach to get to the 3 screws that hold the
starter in place. While I was unscrewing the second screw the top cinder
block gave out and the car fell. Luckily the bottom cinder block didn't
give
out because that was the only thing keeping the rest of the car from
crushing
me. Oh yeah, the reason the cinder block gave out was because my brother
placed them with the holes facing sideways so it wasn't as sturdy as it
could
have been. Now that is why I invested in jack stands they are pretty
cheep,
but it isn't the price that should get you to buy them it is your life
that
counts, and also I don't think you would want it be known that a DeLorean
either injured or killed a person, I think we are having a hard enough
time
with all those stupid "Back to the Future" jokes, right? Anyway, I just
wanted to say that never trust your brother to place your cinder blocks
under
your car unless he will gladly lay under it with you, that is my
philosophy.
Later,
Nick
VIN#1852
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:39:39 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Probably a silly question...
At 01:17 PM 12/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
>After reading Stainless Steel Illusion (which I finally found in a =
>libary after many days of searching), I was wondering this "why has no =
>one bothered to restart the company?" This may sound like a silly =
>question, and it may be, but it seems that there are a lot of people =
>interested in the car still, and some businesses still make money from =
>servicing and repairing them. Any thoughts?
>
>James DeBroeck
>
> Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
> Thank you!
>
>
answer-
Start up cost!
Lee
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:24:41 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: clutch slippage
Bud,
The DeLorean clutch is non adjustable. Slippage is caused by a combination
of disc and pressure plate ware. The only solution is to have a complete
clutch job i.e.: disc, pressure plate, throughout bearing, pilot bearing,
rear seal, and have the pressure plate resurfaced if necessary. If you
need
more information let us know.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:45:58 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
>After reading Stainless Steel Illusion (which I finally found in a =
>libary after many days of searching), I was wondering this "why has no =
>one bothered to restart the company?"
Government regulations and consumer expectations have evolved so far
beyond
what was produced in the very early '80's that a 1999 DeLorean would be
priced in the rarefied atmosphere of super cars like today's twin turbo
Lotus Esprit. Of all the cars of this like, the Esprit is probably the
closest to what the DeLorean represented in terms of an engineering
presentation.
Bruce Benson
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:07:29 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
Cinder Blocks make terrible jack stands as you so well described in your
post. Please only use jack stands.
Scott Mueller
DMC/ Das Mueller Companies
Mobile, AL
1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS
Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm
Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
- -----Original Message-----
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx <NJP548@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
>Hey List,
>
>I just wanted to say a while back when I was fixing the starter on my
>delorean, I had placed 2 cinder blocks one on top of each other under the
>passenger back tire so I could reach to get to the 3 screws that hold the
>starter in place. While I was unscrewing the second screw the top cinder
>block gave out and the car fell. Luckily the bottom cinder block didn't
>give
>out because that was the only thing keeping the rest of the car from
>crushing
>me. Oh yeah, the reason the cinder block gave out was because my brother
>placed them with the holes facing sideways so it wasn't as sturdy as it
>could
>have been. Now that is why I invested in jack stands they are pretty
>cheep,
>but it isn't the price that should get you to buy them it is your life
>that
>counts
>
>Later,
>Nick
>VIN#1852
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:48:57 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson Associates" <tsassoc@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Services House Calls
DMC Joe, how about returning via Oahu, Hawaii. There are about 9 DMC-12's
here in need of your service not to mention the nice weather. Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN 3089
- -----Original Message-----
From: DMC Joe <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: DMC NEWS <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:29 AM
Subject: DML: DeLorean Services House Calls
>We have had a couple of requests for house calls in both North and South
>Carolina just after the holiday's. We are plotting our course through both
>states and will be returning through North Georgia. If you would like us
>to
>service your "D" while were in your neighborhood let us know.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:23:50 -0500
From: allsun <allsun@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: clutch slippage
Hi Joe! Are there any stock "Upgrades" available. What's a Ballpark cost
for a
"complete clutch Job"? Merry Xmas, Soulman
DMC Joe wrote:
> Bud,
> The DeLorean clutch is non adjustable. Slippage is caused by a combination
> of disc and pressure plate ware. The only solution is to have a complete
> clutch job i.e.: disc, pressure plate, throughout bearing, pilot bearing,
> rear seal, and have the pressure plate resurfaced if necessary. If you
> need more information let us know.
>
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:43:19 +0000
From: Albert Siegel <siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Probably a silly question...
>>>>>Actually someone has; The DeLorean Motor Company is now doingbusiness out
of Houston TX. They sell and service DeLorean's, own the main warehouse
for
worldwide distribution, and even own the rights to the logo's.<<<
I thought DMC was "DeLorean Motor Cars, Ltd", Not DeLorean Motor
Company.
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:20:11 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean models for sale
Hi everyone:
I have been able to pick up a limited number of BTTF I Delorean model
kits. I know they are posted elsewhere on the net for various prices,
but I've tried to get them from the places that advertise them and they
are on permanent back order, regardless of price. I picked these up from
a collector and don't know if I can get more. They are unopened 1/24th
scale models. I am working on mine now and I plan to fashion a few
modifications (engine cover, louvers and probably sand off some of the
cables on the side) to make mine as close to my Delorean as possible.
So, if any of you might be interested in one of these, I feel confident
I can sell them for $45 including delivery to any US address. E-mail me
privately if you're interested. I'll have to go first come first serve
to be fair. De Miller, Kansas City, VIN 3427 Lic OUTATYM.
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:21:32 -0800
From: "The Kinley Family" <kinley@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: The Next generation
Hi I'm Brad Kinley and am 16 years old, I have been a huge fan of the
Delorean since I was six. It wasn't just because of the BTTF movies. I had
the chance to actually sit in one and I loved It. I imagined myself owning
one later on in life, and that has been one of my goals for quite some
time.
A decade later I am still crazy about the D, seeing people like you who
continue to talk about it is very encouraging to someone that would one
day
like to own one.
I was wondering, I live in Canada and wanted to know if there were many
Canadians that own their own Deloreans? I'm asking because, after some
research I've found there are practically no D's for sale in Canada.
Keep up the Posting!
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:53:18 -0800
From: Joshua Bell <joshb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: A humble request...
First, the business: are there any generous Delorean owners in the Seattle
Eastside area that would be up for showing off their D to someone who's
seriously thinking of buying one but has never actually been inside one,
let
alone behind the wheel? And if they were feeling particularly generous and
had an auto transmission, permitting a hopeful future owner to take it
once
around the block (under a paranoid gaze from the passenger's seat, no
doubt)
? Since the good ones/good deals are always at least half a day's drive
away
and usually more of a plane trip, it'd be foolish not to see if I "fit"
(mentally; there's no problem physically) before I get that eager to lay
down cash for one.
Yes, I know about the PNDC; I'll contact & probably join them soonish. But
the DML is just so helpful in most other respects; I'm rather clueless
about
the mystical inner workings of cars, but just reading the list for the
last
few months is encouraging - there doesn't seem to be a problem that can't
be
solved with a quick archive search, list posting, or call to "DMC Joe"
(et.
al.)
And a more general question: out of necessity, most of the postings to the
list are regarding fixing problems with these vehicles (both because they
are approaching 20 years old and no-one complains when something isn't
broken). If well maintained and kept away from malicious SUVs in parking
lots, are they still reliable vehicles? Are they a maintenance nightmare
but
"cool enough to be worth it", or is the sampling done by the list truly
biased, and they're still good, fun cars?
And since I'm here - the epo-wood DMC-12 prototype pictured prominently in
"Stainless Steel Illusion" has the niftiest wheel covers I've ever seen.
They really make the car look that much more futuristic. Has anyone ever
attempted to produce real ones?
Thanks a bunch,
Joshus
- --
Joshua Bell
joshb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:18:52 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
At 11:07 AM 12/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Cinder Blocks make terrible jack stands as you so well described in your
>post. Please only use jack stands.
>
>Scott Mueller
reply:
I was not going to comment in this thread because I thought it just went
with out saying that working under a car on a tire change jack was a bad
Idea.
Once I decided to buy a Delorean as a past time interest and built a
garage
for it the very next thing I got was a set of 4 jack stands and a 6 ton
floor jack.
I am amazed that any one would use bricks, boards, or any other shelf
building materials to protect their lives against sudden painful crushing
termination.
It is hard to imagine yet I suspect this sort of thing happens every day.
In fact I find my self thinking about some of the now popular TV shows
that
show people indulged in self involving accidents and titling it "funniest
home video" or some thing like that. I now realize that I should not be
surprised at all.
Lets hope that no one on the DML missed this thread and that we never ever
hear that some one has ended up dead under his D.
In these holiday season please get a car fire extinguisher and use safe
lifting practices.
Lee
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:33:47 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Could have been killed
Also on the subject of jackstands,make sure you set them up on solid
ground ie
blacktop, concrete floor ect,not on a grassy or sandy or muddy ground,you
can
bet your bottom dollar,that as your working under your "D",the frame
jacks,will tilt and eventually fall over and squash you flatter than abug.
Claude
Vin#00570
[Moderators Note: this thread is being killed pending new/updated content
being submitted.]
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:57:02 -0500
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: REGIONAL CONVENTION -- 1999
I am delighted to announce that De Loreans of New England,
the independent De Lorean owners club of the New England states
(USA), will host our regional convention in 1999, Eastern Regional
Run 9.
Date: May 21 - 23, 1999
Place: Inn of the Six Mountains, Killington, Vermont
Schedule of Events:
May 21: Check In. Dinner on your own. Social after dinner.
May 22: Breakfast, Road Rally, Tech Talk, Product Faire, Dinner.
May 23: Breakfast, Car Show, Pictures.
Mark your social calendars now.
Registration information will be available here in February.
Eleanor Rogers is the President of De Loreans of New England.
Many of you have purchased your twin turbos from her business.
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:21:17 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: clutch slippage
>Hi Joe! Are there any stock "Upgrades" available. What's a Ballpark cost
>for a
>"complete clutch Job"? Merry Xmas, Soulman
- -----------------------------------------------------
Many of us have gone to a Centerforce clutch, a Rob Grady adjustable
clutch
linkage and, of course, the braided clutch line. It's a very good set-up
and should give you years of service.
Dick Ryan
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:07:44 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: A humble request...
>First, the business: are there any generous Delorean owners in the Seattle
>Eastside area that would be up for showing off their D to someone who's
>seriously thinking of buying one but has never actually been inside one,
Sorry, can't help you there.. I'm about 6 hours away (Eugene,OR)...
>And a more general question: out of necessity, most of the postings to the
>list are regarding fixing problems with these vehicles (both because they
>are approaching 20 years old and no-one complains when something isn't
>broken). If well maintained and kept away from malicious SUVs in parking
>lots, are they still reliable vehicles? Are they a maintenance nightmare
>but
>"cool enough to be worth it", or is the sampling done by the list truly
>biased, and they're still good, fun cars?
They are good, fun cars! You should have no more problems with a DeLorean
than a similar (european) car of the same year. Yes, there are a few weak
spots of the D, and if you buy a well maintained car, they should never
rear
their ugly head.. The electrical system is below average, the fuel system
has a few glitches, frame is prone to rust, and the automatic transmission
is junk, but most problems aren't very hard or expensive to fix. Plus,
there's a wealth of knowledge and help out there..
Just be informed about the car you buy, treat it good, and you should be
OK.
(Saving a little money for an emergency never hurt anyone though...)
Also, a little advice for you: learn how to drive a manual transmission.
Us
non-car-types don't want anything to do with transmission problems, and
the
automatics are bad, bad, bad. Not saying that yours won't work when you
get
it, but if you are planning on driving it regularly, you're in for a
potential headache... But, again, some folks have had fairly reliable
automatics.. Heck, the one time I called DeLorean One, Ed B. said he put
over 300K miles on his automatic. (I bet it helps to -OWN- a service
center
though...)
>And since I'm here - the epo-wood DMC-12 prototype pictured prominently in
>"Stainless Steel Illusion" has the niftiest wheel covers I've ever seen.
>They really make the car look that much more futuristic. Has anyone ever
>attempted to produce real ones?
>
I haven't see the wood proto, what do the wheels look like? Is there a
picture online somewhere?
On the same note, has anyone used those spun alumninum wheel covers (I
think
the Moon company makes them, but I've seen off-brand as well)? I think
they'd look pretty wild on the D, but I didn't know what the side effects
would be (increased brake heat?)
- - Dave
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:35:58 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: A humble request...
If well maintained and kept away from malicious SUVs in parking
>lots, are they still reliable vehicles?
- --------------------------------------------------
Josh You have answered your own question --- the key is maintenance. The
DeLorean had it's quirks. It wasn't in production long enough to identify
all of them. Thus, the first owners had to sort out a few bugs. Long
ago,
any DeLorean that was driven on a regular basis had it's bugs worked out.
Now, you must deal with a car that is nearly twenty years old, both
technologically and in actuality. It doesn't have all the bells and
whistles invented and put on cars in the past twenty years. Also, this
means that the rubber may have suffered from dry rot, there may be a rust
problem depending upon the area in which the car was driven, some of the
wiring may be a bit tired and brittle, etc.
Having said all that, I trust my DeLorean - because I know it's level of
maintenance. Three times this fall I hopped into it and took off on
trips
in excess of 2000 miles each and did not worry about the car not
performing
as intended. It is as reliable as any other car given the appropriate
level of maintenance.
And, yes, take it from the 65 year old Rad Dad, the cool factor is
awesome,
dude!!
Dick Ryan
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:07:31 EST
From: "James Fay" <jfjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New place to advertise your Delorean site
Hi Everybody,
I have just became the editor of the Delorean section in a new search
engine called New Hoo, which is run by Netscape, it can be found at
www.newhoo.com
If anyone has a site they would like me to add send me a email.
The Delorean Directory is located at:
http://directory.mozilla.org/Recreation/Autos/Exotic_Cars/Delorean/
James Fay
jfjr@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/1633
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:56:44 -0600
From: "Travis Graham" <travis.h.graham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Today's glitch: door jam
Today's problem: My driver's-side door decided to rebel (again).
Whenever I
try to open my door, the rear latch opens, but the front latch remains
closed, so the door bends slightly and will not open due to the front
latch!
Here is the scenario, one method gets the door open:
When the door jams, which is now 100% of the time, I try the following and
then attempt to open the door: 1) I push on the rear of the door (while
it is jammed) to shut it completely again - result: the front latch
remains
jammed. 2) I lock the door using the key, then unlock it using the key -
result: the front latch remains jammed. 3) I curse for approximately 1
minute, then try any of the above - result: the front latch remains
jammed.
4) I lock the door (using a remote for a car alarm that is wired to the
power locks), then immediately unlock it using the remote - result: the
door
opens once. When I get inside and shut the door, it becomes jammed again
and the saga continues...
At first, I thought this was a latch problem, now the lock discovery
complicates things. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! FYI: I
have
the door-latch guides. My latest theory is that a minimum of one item on
my
De Lorean must remain broken at ALL TIMES; this item cannot be a trivial
item, it must be an annoyance.
Thanks!
Travis Graham
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:03:16 -0500
From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam / safety issue
Hey Travis don't feel bad. I feel the same way sometimes. Halfway
through
replacing all weatherstrip on the car, my last problem was on highway,
70MPH, I felt a weird movement in the rear end. Started to slow down and
move to slow lane; all of a sudden, one wheel locks up and I'm fishtailing
all over the highway. Used up one more of my nine lives and pulled over.
My driver's side rear fender was in contact with my tire. I've known
since
I bought the car that I should check the trailing arm bolts, but there's a
cover plate that can be a real project to remove. Needless to say, Murphy
and his law got me again, and the bolt broke. >From the looks of the old
bolt, bushing and washers, it took a LOOONG time from when the bolt
started
to bend until now. The bolt itself is an M12, which should be at least
0.462" in diameter. Mine is 0.435" at its largest diameter, and 0.379" in
dia. where it failed. It looks like it was bent at a 10 degree angle
before
failure. Bottom line is a failing bolt should be fairly obvious to spot
without special equipment.
If I had read this a week ago, I would have ignored it like many of you
will. PLEASE check your trailing arm bolts. You WILL lose control of
your
D if one fails. The other (good?) side has locknuts (the ones that hold
the
bushing ass'y to the frame) that have loosened almost to the point of
falling off. I had a periodic weird click in the rear end and knew this
was
probably the cause and ignored it. I got lucky in that I lived and only
ruined one tire. Total damage with new bushings, trailing arm bolts, two
tires, alignment I estimate about $400. Save $250 by checking and
replacing
first.
Incidentally, the trailing arm bolts are NOT the same as those you can buy
at your local harware store. They are ISO grade 10.9, nearly the highest
strength bolt you can get. The nuts are similar.
Also, am I the only one that never had a use for a Dremel tool until I
bought this car? I couldn't have done a few jobs on this car without one.
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:39:17 -0600
From: "Stutts, Virgil" <Virgil.Stutts@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Engine name and specs
I have looked everywhere for the name and specs of the engines that
DeLoreans use and have come up short. I want to buy one now but I also
know
that one should always check into how much the engines cost (in case you
must replace it in the future) and the same with the transmission. I also
need the specs mainly for the engine. Could anyone help me in this
reguard...
<<...>> PEACE OUT!
*****************************************
Virgil S. Stutts Jr. (L.B.)
Software Developer
Web Development
Diagnostics Dept.
Room#: 13427
Phone: (281) 514-0035 LAB
Pager: (281) 270-1524
Fax: (281) 514-0750
Email: VIRGIL.STUTTS@xxxxxxxxxx
COMPAQ COMPUTER CORPORATION
20555 SH 249, M130401
Houston, TX USA 77070-2698
**********************************************
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:00 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON1@xxxxxxxxx (AARON MILLS)
Subject: DML: front facia repair
Does anyone know the owner of the back to future D/1998 D? Is he on the
DML? He found a way to repair the "eyebrows" on the front facia. I
remimber how he did it, but don't remimber the type/dementions of steel
nor the type of epoxy/glue used. Any help would be greatly appreciated
(this is my big winter project).
Aaron
vin11554
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:09:49 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam / safety issue
At 11:03 PM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Travis don't feel bad. I feel the same way sometimes. Halfway
>through
>replacing all weatherstrip on the car, my last problem was on highway,
>70MPH, I felt a weird movement in the rear end. Started to slow down and
>move to slow lane; all of a sudden, one wheel locks up and I'm fishtailing
>all over the highway. Used up one more of my nine lives and pulled over.
>My driver's side rear fender was in contact with my tire. I've known
>since
Snip......................... I should check the trailing arm bolts, but
there's a
>cover plate that can be a real project to remove.................Snip
I know this will sound harsh.....removing the cover plate is any thing but
a project. Just 3 self locking nuts are removed to get this panel off.
While I did not have an accident because of the trailing arm bolt, I did
have the clunk and found that both had a 10 degree bend. I got the PJ
Grady
up grade kit and using Jack Stands installed the new parts.
I can't begin to stress that I could have been in the same situation had I
let the inspection go.
No matter what mental excuse might seam OK, the moment this bolt lets go
you will realized, may be for the last time in your life that you should
have.......!
The whole inspection takes an hours time, its simple and easy. Damage or
bending is obvious to the naked eye, There are no elaborate tricks or
special tools required, just time and a little work with hand tools to
remove and replace a few nuts and bolts.
Lee
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:46:24 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Engine name and specs
Virgil,
All DeLoreans use a PRV-6 it is a V-6 174 cu. in. rated at 130 HP @ 5,550
R.P.M.
It uses the Bosch C.I.S. K-Jetronic fuel system. This engine was used
extensively in all Volvo 260 and 760 GLE model cars from 1979 to 1990.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:13:20 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Today's glitch: door jam
Travis,
Your lock rod, bellcranck, or lock solenoid is out of adjustment. You may
also have a lock solenoid that is going bad. A complete set of
instructions
on the door lock setting procedure was issued by the factory as Service
Bulletin ST-10-8/81. If you need a copy of this item contact us directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:27:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine name and specs
On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Stutts, Virgil wrote:
> I have looked everywhere for the name and specs of the engines that
> DeLoreans use and have come up short. I want to buy one now but I also
That's an easy one. :} It's the PRV-6, or as Volvo calls it, the B28F.
It is a 2.85L V-6 producing about 130 HP or maybe a tad more. New engines
are available for about $4000 from DeLorean suppliers. If you need to
replace the whole thing you have to use one of the DeLorean modified ones
or it won't fit. It's a similar engine to that used by the Eagle Premier
or Volve 740 of the same era.
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:39:45 -0800 (PST)
From: DMC_12@xxxxxxxxx (Justin Friel)
Subject: DML: QUOTE
Could someone tell me how the quote went that i read in the Grand
DeLusions book about JZD saying something about, "when the wind hits the
wings you will see freedom" (or something like that, thanx for any help)
jay
Visit my page for information on the DeLorean, the most "ethical" sports
car:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/jfriel
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
------------------------------
End of dmcnews-digest V3 #452
*****************************
Postings to the DELOREAN MAILING LIST are the opinions of the author and
not necessarily those of the list moderator or his Internet
Service Provider(s). The list moderator makes every effort to screen out
false, misleading, and negative postings, but it is up to you
to realize that nothing should be taken as
actual fact without research and investigation of your own.
Send postings to "dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Before posting, search the archives! www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Thank you!
Back to the Home of PROJECT VIXEN